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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Orioreeem said:
I'll comment soon
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His nothingness not being able to be interacted with is only NEP, you should focus on his true nature (also link the scan where it says it lacks order) not being able to be interacted with(Anahem scan is enough because iirc he is defending using Grham's true nature because his source is constantly getting destroyed) in fact I don't think you should even mention his normal nothingness it will only cause the missunderstanding. Rest is fine
 
Dog3352 said:
Is it good to add about the spirits too? To add Information Manipulation
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Definitely, spirits are like the bane for information manipulation type 2 in the verse. If we don't add them we're basically not getting it

Good thing even CM2>> Info type 2in the verse
 
Orioreeem said:
His nothingness not being able to be interacted with is only NEP, you should focus on his true nature (also link the scan where it says it lacks order) not being able to be interacted with(Anahem scan is enough because iirc he is defending using Grham's true nature because his source is constantly getting destroyed) in fact I don't think you should even mention his normal nothingness it will only cause the missunderstanding. Rest is fine
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Thanks for your real input
@Dereck03 drop the new explanation here
 
Orioreeem said:
His nothingness not being able to be interacted with is only NEP, you should focus on his true nature (also link the scan where it says it lacks order) not being able to be interacted with(Anahem scan is enough because iirc he is defending using Grham's true nature because his source is constantly getting destroyed) in fact I don't think you should even mention his normal nothingness it will only cause the missunderstanding. Rest is fine
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I used the example of his nothingness because knowing these guys, they are going to say where is the evidence that his true nature cannot be interacted with. It already compiles NEP2, Aca 5 and TD 2. I can't create a scan rn so i'll search the scan here in the thread.
 
Wow, looked up arcana on all fiction battles for inspiration not to copy and her profile is mid. We'll be better off creating her sandbox from scratch
 
Fixxed said:
Hey i think i found something interesting

Order of Absurdity should be a nonduality or even transduality order. The order can make the duality system absurd, the order is complete unaffected and outside the duality system

It can make and govern something that neither 0 or 1 (sun and moon is duality in MGF). That order even opposite/disobey the order it self

Is even not bound by the duality of possible and impossible, existance and nonexistance, like if eques get destroyed the world will destroy, but in front of this order the world will not get destroyed. Make the impossible order to exist, exist

Even can use levina guilma, that arnos himself only can pulled it use the veneziara

Even can make the being to nihilistic state

Can even defeat god who form the fundamental of order it self and the lord god

<The evil eye of the absurdity>, its true power appeared there.

"The selection referee has been distorted and distorted by that nihilistic child. Now, the alignment of order is completely disturbed. Even though the God of Destruction and the God of Creation have revived, they have only acted for them. I have the same power. On the land, I am getting stronger. She probably wanted to ridicule this world."

Gently lifted her right and left hands, Arcana turned back to heaven.

"Snow flutters in the spring sunshine, and six flowers melt the world."

What soared from both hands was a burning ice flower.

"Spring scenery six flowers <Shunkei Rikka>"

It shined brightly like the sun, blinked like a cold moon, and its frozen flowers were burning.

One after another, the flowers gathered behind Arcana, creating a moon-like and sun-like, created an object that is neither of them.

"... What ... eh ...? This is ... order ...?"

Andelk stunnedly stares at the object created by Shunkei Rokka

It is six petals that freeze and burn.

Certainly, the order of God is there. God's power was exerting power.

"... Ah ... not ... like this ...!?"

She opens her eyes and shakes her head.

She, the four gods of Juri, who form the fundamental of order, was faced with the power of a god that impossible to exist.

"Something is wrong ...! There is no such order ... !!!"

"The moon does not rise, the sun sets, and spring illuminates a land without gods."

Arcana chanted with a quiet voice.

"<Six flowers of the absurdity> Levihel Alter"

The burning ice flowers, It emits cold air and hot air at the same time.

Originally, contradictory ice and flame co-existed without a slight conflict.

The sea of abortion is frozen and burned by its contradictory power.

The order of the Taiki Mother Sea has begun to go crazy.

Forbidden soldiers who sank to the bottom of the sea and could not move, is illuminated by <Six flowers of the absurdity>, and starts moving again.

They rescued the demon soldiers one after another.

"... Why ...? Why are you swimming in the sea of concubinage ...? The undesired baby is an abortion! It's an abortion!"

Andelk shines a snake abortion forceps and shouts.

A huge amount of magical power spilled over, and countless red threads appeared in the Taiki Mother Sea, but it was probably entwined with the abortion god, the main god of the sanctuary.

"Gya ...! What ... what ... then .........?

"The territory illuminated by Levihel Alter, is a land of absurdity. Here everything is opposite of order (disobeyed the order)."

Anderk shouts, stripping her eyes.

"That couldn't be! Isn't the concubinage disobeyed by the abortion? God is the order itself. Do you think you can be disobeyed by yourself?"
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"The sword Levine Gilma"

Six flowers of spring scenery gathered and appeared in her hand, Levine Gilma, which Ahide once called the sword of the Almighty.

Her memory was sealed and her authority as an agent was sealed.

In the past, it was necessary to use material such as a sword of ruin, but now it is different.

She regained her memory, regaining all of her authority as an agent, and regained her divine sword.

And, as the distorted selection referee progressed, the final piece was ready.

This is, the true value of Arcana as an apocalyptic god.

"This body has become an immortal god."

"Monster! Eat it ... !!"

Anderk turns his right arm into a red thread snake and feeds Arcana.

But, in front of the eternally immortal god, the aborted snake with its fangs unilaterally disappeared.

"I'm is unrivaled by order"

Quietly, Arcana unsheathed Levine Gilma.

The silver sword is exposed and shines beautifully.

A sword that would destroy its owner if left unsheathed, but it has no effect on her.

<Six flowers of the absurdity> Levihel Alter, is even disobeying (make absurd) the order of the divine sword, that it the owner will perish if it comes out.

"Order is being distorted and abuse. I am an unsettling god who draws a bow to heaven."

Arcana cut the umbilical cord of god, which connects herself to Andelk, with Levine Gilma.

“…………………… Gyaa ………… gaa ……………… a ………… ba …………”

The abortion god Andelk sways.

Losing power, she sinks into the sea of abortion.

".... Can't.... be.... the... concubinage.... plug.... in... abortion... can.... 't...."

The voice disappears, and Andelk disappears on the bright red seabed.

The order of abortion was absurd, and the positions of Andelk and Arcana were reversed.

Therefore, the abortion god was being aborted.

A terrifying power that is worthy of the name of the god of absurdity and specializes in gods.

Or it may have been prepared by Graham to destroy Eques, who was born in the selection referee.

With the manifestation of Eques and the resurrection of the God of Destruction and God of Creation, her power as an God of Apocalypse was fully awakened.

It's hard to think of it as a coincidence.

If it is Levihel Alter, who disobeys (make absurd the) order, it should be possible to incapacitate Eques, which is a aggregate of order.

All the power of Eques will belong to the God of Apocalypse.

But...

"The moon rises and the sun sets. Winter comes to a land without gods."

Arcana puts the sword Levine Gilma in a scabbard.

Then, <Six flowers of the absurdity> Levihel Alter, disappeared as if it scattered flowers.

She relaxed and drifted into the sea.

Because of her enormous power, her magical power was exhausted in a blink of an eye, even for her body as an agent.

The body and roots are exhausted, and despite winning unscathed, it has become tattered.

Given what happened at Gadeisiola, did Graham's plan be to make me a agent and gain the power of Arcana?

Or is it the calculation that you will eventually get?

I don't know, but in any case, I think that the power of the absurdity was the only way to defeat Eques, who united the power of God.

<Six flowers of the absurdity> As long as you maintain Levihel Alter, even if you destroy Eques, the world will not be destroyed.
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Hehe.. transduality is already revised, this is the time
 
Well, I'll have to argue for Anos... This time it will be related to Graham.

Currently Graham's true Nature are being used as justification for NEP2, Aca 5 and TD 2. Graham nothingness has much evidence of not being able to be interacted with in any way, his true nature lacks and unbound of order and even lacks reason sharing the same nature of Anos who's source lacks and opposes all order. In other words, his true nature is above his nothingness, which is already incapable of being interacted with or destroyed by anything other than Venuzdonoa which can destroy all things in creation or Anos' Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction which its destruction and overall power is stated to even surppases Venuzdonoa. But the point is that one of those orders includes the order of causality that governs the world's system of causality, which governs the causality of the verse at conceptual level due to the nature of the order. Since Graham nothingness and true nature has clear evidence of not being interacted with, Anos which his true nature is chaos and destruction which is the lack of and opposite of all "order", Graham always considered Anos his equal and when his true nothingness and Anos' destruction were in conflict, Graham realized that Anos' true nature of destruction and chaos far outweighed his nothingness. The point, as much as Graham nothingness and true nature have proof of being impossible to interact not only for being nothingness but also for lack of reason and order. In other words Order < Nothingness < Reason < Anos' source, Graham's true nature, Venuzdonoa & MEoCD. And nothingnees itslef is already unteracteable so their true natures even more so.

Venuzdonoa directly destroyed order and reason.
「滅ぼされたものは無に帰すのが、この世の秩序だ。理滅剣の前では、あらゆる理が意味をなさず、万物万象が滅びる。その効果が働くのは対象が滅びるまでといったところかな？」

The world's order is that what is destroyed returns to nothing. In the face of the sword of reason and destruction, all reason is meaningless, and all things perish. Its effect will only work until the object is destroyed.
Graham's true nature lacking reason after the destruction of order and reason by venuzdonoa.
「だけど、滅びた後のなにもない無が、理さえ伴わない虚無こそが、僕の根源の本来の姿だ」

But the nothingness after my destruction, the pure nothingness without any reason, is the true form of my source.

I will highlight again how important lacking reason is in the verse, reason is above everything in Maou Gakuin... Order (Dualities, Transduality, concepts, laws, causality, fate), non-existence and even the reason itself, the Reason Destroying Sword <Venuzdonoa> and Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction can manipulate, alter and destroy reason and are also unbound of reason in the same way that Anos and Graham are.

Anos' source sharing the same nature as Graham, not having been able to be interacted with and even surpassing his nature, should be proof enough for the 2 to keep their Aca 5. There is also another proof where someone uses the order of causality to interact with Anos source but it was useless, but I don't have the chapter number at the moment.

So guys, what do you'all think?
 
Dereck03 said:
Well, I'll have to argue for Anos... This time it will be related to Graham.

Currently Graham's true Nature are being used as justification for NEP2, Aca 5 and TD 2. Graham nothingness has much evidence of not being able to be interacted with in any way, his true nature lacks and unbound of order and even lacks reason sharing the same nature of Anos who's source lacks and opposes all order. In other words, his true nature is above his nothingness, which is already incapable of being interacted with or destroyed by anything other than Venuzdonoa which can destroy all things in creation or Anos' Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction which its destruction and overall power is stated to even surppases Venuzdonoa. But the point is that one of those orders includes the order of causality that governs the world's system of causality, which governs the causality of the verse at conceptual level due to the nature of the order. Since Graham nothingness and true nature has clear evidence of not being interacted with, Anos which his true nature is chaos and destruction which is the lack of and opposite of all "order", Graham always considered Anos his equal and when his true nothingness and Anos' destruction were in conflict, Graham realized that Anos' true nature of destruction and chaos far outweighed his nothingness. The point, as much as Graham nothingness and true nature have proof of being impossible to interact not only for being nothingness but also for lack of reason and order. In other words Order < Nothingness < Reason < Anos' source, Graham's true nature, Venuzdonoa & MEoCD. And nothingnees itslef is already unteracteable so their true natures even more so.

Venuzdonoa directly destroyed order and reason.
「滅ぼされたものは無に帰すのが、この世の秩序だ。理滅剣の前では、あらゆる理が意味をなさず、万物万象が滅びる。その効果が働くのは対象が滅びるまでといったところかな？」

The world's order is that what is destroyed returns to nothing. In the face of the sword of reason and destruction, all reason is meaningless, and all things perish. Its effect will only work until the object is destroyed.
Graham's true nature lacking reason after the destruction of order and reason by venuzdonoa.
「だけど、滅びた後のなにもない無が、理さえ伴わない虚無こそが、僕の根源の本来の姿だ」

But the nothingness after my destruction, the pure nothingness without any reason, is the true form of my source.

I will highlight again how important lacking reason is in the verse, reason is above everything in Maou Gakuin... Order (Dualities, Transduality, concepts, laws, causality, fate), non-existence and even the reason itself, the Reason Destroying Sword <Venuzdonoa> and Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction can manipulate, alter and destroy reason and are also unbound of reason in the same way that Anos and Graham are.

Anos' source sharing the same nature as Graham, not having been able to be interacted with and even surpassing his nature, should be proof enough for the 2 to keep their Aca 5. There is also another proof where someone uses the order of causality to interact with Anos source but it was useless, but I don't have the chapter number at the moment.

So guys, what do you'all think?
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Looks pretty solid from me. I think the scan where the use of order causality would help a lot. Especially if it has something similar to the dummy context everything12 made.
 
Characters that certain natures or themselves have never been interacted with and have tons of statments supporting them as evidence, but if you don't have something that says you can't be interacted with by another character (even if you or that nature itself could never be interacted with) you're screwed. Like Elizhaa said here.
 
Unless author writes exectly what wiki wants then you most likely can't obtain it, and you certainly can't tell author what to write.
 
I'm seeing users checking out the thread where Anos and Graham got TD to try to "downgrade" or "remove" them hahaha. Let's see what they can do against

In terms of binary, if order is 0 and 1 (e.g. order of creation and order of destruction), then chaos is neither 0 nor 1 even now that arcana is coming which she's neither 1 and 0 and 1 and 0 at the same time and anos and graham being neither of those.
 
Orioreeem said:
Unless author writes exectly what wiki wants then you most likely can't obtain it, and you certainly can't tell author what to write.
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The dummy context seems like it could fit decently into a story where it doesn't seem like the author just pulled it out of their ass.
 
Dereck03 said:
Send scan.
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「城という性質上、お前にできるのは自らが口にした通り、因果を崩すか積み上げるかだ。原因を崩し、結果だけを押しつけたとて、切り崩せる原因には限界がある。爪を振るう動作と俺の体に当てるという原因を無視できたとして、せいぜい爪痕を刻むという結果が精一杯。俺の根源の抵抗までは切り崩せぬ」

"Due to the nature of the castle, all you can do, as you yourself have said, is to destroy or build up the causes and effects. Even if you destroy the cause and impose only the result, there is a limit to the cause that can be destroyed. Even if you could ignore the cause of the swinging of the claw and its hitting my body, the best you could do would be to carve a claw mark. You can't cut down to my root resistance."

Sorry I was kinda tired yesterday went to sleep I hope this helps
 
Dereck03 said:
Well, I'll have to argue for Anos... This time it will be related to Graham.

Currently Graham's true Nature are being used as justification for NEP2, Aca 5 and TD 2. Graham nothingness has much evidence of not being able to be interacted with in any way, his true nature lacks and unbound of order and even lacks reason sharing the same nature of Anos who's source lacks and opposes all order. In other words, his true nature is above his nothingness, which is already incapable of being interacted with or destroyed by anything other than Venuzdonoa which can destroy all things in creation or Anos' Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction which its destruction and overall power is stated to even surppases Venuzdonoa. But the point is that one of those orders includes the order of causality that governs the world's system of causality, which governs the causality of the verse at conceptual level due to the nature of the order. Since Graham nothingness and true nature has clear evidence of not being interacted with, Anos which his true nature is chaos and destruction which is the lack of and opposite of all "order", Graham always considered Anos his equal and when his true nothingness and Anos' destruction were in conflict, Graham realized that Anos' true nature of destruction and chaos far outweighed his nothingness. The point, as much as Graham nothingness and true nature have proof of being impossible to interact not only for being nothingness but also for lack of reason and order. In other words Order < Nothingness < Reason < Anos' source, Graham's true nature, Venuzdonoa & MEoCD. And nothingnees itslef is already unteracteable so their true natures even more so.

Venuzdonoa directly destroyed order and reason.
「滅ぼされたものは無に帰すのが、この世の秩序だ。理滅剣の前では、あらゆる理が意味をなさず、万物万象が滅びる。その効果が働くのは対象が滅びるまでといったところかな？」

The world's order is that what is destroyed returns to nothing. In the face of the sword of reason and destruction, all reason is meaningless, and all things perish. Its effect will only work until the object is destroyed.
Graham's true nature lacking reason after the destruction of order and reason by venuzdonoa.
「だけど、滅びた後のなにもない無が、理さえ伴わない虚無こそが、僕の根源の本来の姿だ」

But the nothingness after my destruction, the pure nothingness without any reason, is the true form of my source.

I will highlight again how important lacking reason is in the verse, reason is above everything in Maou Gakuin... Order (Dualities, Transduality, concepts, laws, causality, fate), non-existence and even the reason itself, the Reason Destroying Sword <Venuzdonoa> and Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction can manipulate, alter and destroy reason and are also unbound of reason in the same way that Anos and Graham are.

Anos' source sharing the same nature as Graham, not having been able to be interacted with and even surpassing his nature, should be proof enough for the 2 to keep their Aca 5. There is also another proof where someone uses the order of causality to interact with Anos source but it was useless, but I don't have the chapter number at the moment.

So guys, what do you'all think?
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EldemadeDityjon said:
「城という性質上、お前にできるのは自らが口にした通り、因果を崩すか積み上げるかだ。原因を崩し、結果だけを押しつけたとて、切り崩せる原因には限界がある。爪を振るう動作と俺の体に当てるという原因を無視できたとして、せいぜい爪痕を刻むという結果が精一杯。俺の根源の抵抗までは切り崩せぬ」

"Due to the nature of the castle, all you can do, as you yourself have said, is to destroy or build up the causes and effects. Even if you destroy the cause and impose only the result, there is a limit to the cause that can be destroyed. Even if you could ignore the cause of the swinging of the claw and its hitting my body, the best you could do would be to carve a claw mark. You can't cut down to my root resistance."
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When you use this point out that the guy who was using casuality is a Chief God. As we know how chief gods powers works on complete world based. Still it couldn't affect Anos source. About resistance it comes from Anos perspective. So he may be referring as resistance but from all other explanation and feats Anos source lacks order which also includes casuality.
 
To give context, Anos was fighting against a Chief God like Eques (Chief Gods are above all possible order and are the will of the world) by manipulating the order of causality this one was manipulating cause and effect but as Anos said all he could do was leave a claw mark on his body and not even cut the resistance of his source (Let it be clear that all sources have a special resistance that makes only orders or conceptual abilities can interact with them, which is not the case with Anos or Graham's source which lack all order and reason and are the opposite of them). Let it be clear that the most the causality order could do to Anos is leave a claw mark on his body and he would not even be able to do anything against his source, even if it was a chief god who was using the causality order against Anos.

This seems fine for you @EldemadeDityjon
 
Dereck03 said:
To give context, Anos was fighting against a Chief God like Eques (Chief Gods are above all possible order and are the will of the world) by manipulating the order of causality this one was manipulating cause and effect but as Anos said all he could do was leave a claw mark on his body and not even cut the resistance of his source (Let it be clear that all sources have a special resistance that makes only orders or conceptual abilities can interact with them, which is not the case with Anos or Graham's source which lack all order and reason and are the opposite of them).

This seems fine for you @EldemadeDityjon
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Yeah looks great. This explanation makes sense.
 
Just want to clarify about misfit

So misfit is just title, it is not physiology

So not because they are misfit so they unbound order, but because they are unbound order so they are misfit
 
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