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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Dread said:
wdym? Did you read acc type 5 or no? Interaction is a problem in his reasoning. Wtf?
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No the problem is that you need a clear statement of not being able to be interacted with because of being outside causality. Anti-feats can also be a factor but we don't even have the statement needed to consider anything else.
 
Dereck03 said:
We need proof of no one being able to interact with his source.

Waiting for this.
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Graham's nothingness is not interacted anyone
Even when Anaham tried to interact with it. He couldn't.
And true form from Anos and Graham's nothingness act the same.

Besides, Elde is sleeping, he will drop it tmr.
 
Orioreeem said:
No the problem is that you need a clear statement of not being able to be interacted with because of being outside causality. Anti-feats can also be a factor but we don't even have the statement needed to consider anything else.
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Dang, clear statements; only 2 out of the whole wiki qualified, such as that lmfao. The context matters than clear statement.
 
Orioreeem said:
No the problem is that you need a clear statement of not being able to be interacted with because of being outside causality. Anti-feats can also be a factor but we don't even have the statement needed to consider anything else.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
The king Tiger casualty manipulation didn't able to interact with his source. The probability is it stated as Resistance so if you can use that as argument then go a head.
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That's because of his nothingness tho not because of causality, maybe you can argue since his nothingness lacks order(which includes causality) it can't be interacted with which sounds good to me honestly, but who knows.
Dread said:
Graham's nothingness is not interacted anyone
Even when Anaham tried to interact with it. He couldn't.
And true form from Anos and Graham's nothingness act the same.

Besides, Elde is sleeping, he will drop it tmr.
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Orioreeem said:
That's because of his nothingness tho not because of causality, maybe you can argue since his nothingness lacks order(which includes causality) it can't be interacted with which sounds good to me honestly, but who knows.
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Ya, this sounds good. No way wiki wants a clear statement like “Anos can't interact with anyone because he is outside of causality”; no author will go so profound about it. We only need to change the justification because that said justification does not fit the criteria.
 
Yes the wiki explicitly wants such statement for type 5. Maybe ypu can do something with what I suggested but it's not certain and has a high change of failing. There is currently a thread that reviews acausality for all characters that posses it, so you need to argue there for Anos to keep it.
 
Well, I'll have to argue for Anos... This time it will be related to Graham.

Currently Graham's Nothingness as well as his true Nature are being used as justification for NEP2, Aca 5 and TD 2. Graham nothingness has much evidence of not being able to be interacted with in any way. This is only his nothingness, but his true nature lacks and unbound of order. In other words, his true nature is above his nothingness, which is already incapable of being interacted with or destroyed by anything other than Venuzdonoa which can destroy all things in creation or Anos' Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction which its destruction and overall power is stated to even surppases Venuzdonoa. But the point is that one of those orders includes the order of causality that governs the world's system of causality, which governs the causality of the verse at conceptual level due to the nature of the order. Since Graham nothingness and true nature has clear evidence of not being interacted with, Anos which his true nature is chaos and destruction which is the lack of and opposite of all "order", Graham always considered Anos his equal and when his true nothingness and Anos' destruction were in conflict, Graham realized that Anos' true nature of destruction and chaos far outweighed his nothingness. The point, as much as Graham nothingness and true nature have proof of being impossible to interact, Anos' source sharing the same nature as Graham, not having been able to be interacted with and even surpassing his nature, should be proof enough for the 2 to keep their Aca 5. There is also another proof where someone uses the order of causality to interact with Anos source but it was useless, but I don't have the chapter number at the moment.



What do you guys think?
 
Dereck03 said:
Well, I'll have to argue for Anos... This time it will be related to Graham.

Currently Graham's Nothingness as well as his true Nature are being used as justification for NEP2, Aca 5 and TD 2. Graham nothingness has much evidence of not being able to be interacted with in any way. This is only his nothingness, but his true nature lacks and unbound of order. In other words, his true nature is above his nothingness, which is already incapable of being interacted with or destroyed by anything other than Venuzdonoa which can destroy all things in creation or Anos' Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction which its destruction and overall power is stated to even surppases Venuzdonoa. But the point is that one of those orders includes the order of causality that governs the world's system of causality, which governs the causality of the verse at conceptual level due to the nature of the order. Since Graham nothingness and true nature has clear evidence of not being interacted with, Anos which his true nature is chaos and destruction which is the lack of and opposite of all "order", Graham always considered Anos his equal and when his true nothingness and Anos' destruction were in conflict, Graham realized that Anos' true nature of destruction and chaos far outweighed his nothingness. The point, as much as Graham nothingness and true nature have proof of being impossible to interact, Anos' source sharing the same nature as Graham, not having been able to be interacted with and even surpassing his nature, should be proof enough for the 2 to keep their Aca 5. There is also another test where someone uses the causality order to interact with Anos source but it was useless, but I don't have the chapter number at the moment.



What do you guys think?
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Probably remove the last part until eldemade drops the scan if the scan even exists
 
Dereck03 said:
What do you guys think?
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Alright, looks good, but we need to wait for the chapter number. Seems reasonable and enough. Clear. I will do a Lil grammar correction if you don't mind.
Currently, Graham's Nothingness, as well as his true Nature, are being used as justification for NEP2, Aca 5, and TD 2. Graham's nothingness has much evidence of not being able to be interacted with in any way. This is only his nothingness, but his true nature lacks and is unbound of order. In other words, his true nature is above his nothingness, which is already incapable of being interacted with or destroyed by anything other than Venuzdonoa, which can destroy all things in the creation or Anos' Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction, which its destruction and overall power are stated to even surpasses Venuzdonoa. But the point is that one of those orders includes the order of causality that governs the world's system of causality, which governs the causality of the verse at the conceptual level due to the nature of the order. Since Graham's nothingness and true nature has clear evidence of not being interacted with, Anos which his true nature is chaos and destruction, which is the lack of and opposite of all "order", Graham always considered Anos his equal and when his true nothingness and Anos' destruction were in conflict, Graham realized that Anos' true nature of destruction and chaos far outweighed his nothingness. The point, as much as Graham's nothingness and true nature have proof of being impossible to interact, Anos' source sharing the same nature as Graham, not having been able to be interacted with and even surpassing his nature, should be proof enough for the 2 to keep their Aca 5. There is also another test where someone uses the causality order to interact with the Anos source, but it was useless, but I don't have the chapter number at the moment.
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All of this over an Archie sonic aca5 thread💀. Anos got aca5& TD2, Arceus got aca5 & TD2 and suddenly everyone wanted to jump on the highly controversial upgrade train
 
Tatsumi504 said:
All of this over an Archie sonic aca5 thread💀. Anos got aca5& TD2, Arceus got aca5 & TD2 and suddenly everyone wanted to jump on the highly controversial upgrade train
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Ngl, you are fully right. Literally, the verse is getting hated for that 💀
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Which verse? Archie sonic? They don't deserve the hate though. Damn, this requirement of being unable to be interacted with is annoying
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No, because they did not accept the fact that their character did not qualify for one, so they started with the whole chaos of needing an interaction statement.
I am aware that some of the Authors never actually go deep about it, but ours did.
 
Dereck03 said:
Well, I'll have to argue for Anos... This time it will be related to Graham.

Currently Graham's Nothingness as well as his true Nature are being used as justification for NEP2, Aca 5 and TD 2. Graham nothingness has much evidence of not being able to be interacted with in any way. This is only his nothingness, but his true nature lacks and unbound of order. In other words, his true nature is above his nothingness, which is already incapable of being interacted with or destroyed by anything other than Venuzdonoa which can destroy all things in creation or Anos' Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction which its destruction and overall power is stated to even surppases Venuzdonoa. But the point is that one of those orders includes the order of causality that governs the world's system of causality, which governs the causality of the verse at conceptual level due to the nature of the order. Since Graham nothingness and true nature has clear evidence of not being interacted with, Anos which his true nature is chaos and destruction which is the lack of and opposite of all "order", Graham always considered Anos his equal and when his true nothingness and Anos' destruction were in conflict, Graham realized that Anos' true nature of destruction and chaos far outweighed his nothingness. The point, as much as Graham nothingness and true nature have proof of being impossible to interact, Anos' source sharing the same nature as Graham, not having been able to be interacted with and even surpassing his nature, should be proof enough for the 2 to keep their Aca 5. There is also another proof where someone uses the order of causality to interact with Anos source but it was useless, but I don't have the chapter number at the moment.



What do you guys think?
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@Orioreeem would like to hear yours too.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Which verse? Archie sonic? They don't deserve the hate though. Damn, this requirement of being unable to be interacted with is annoying
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The thing is, (it is my opinion about the topic) they all ignore the main sole of the real definition of acc type 5 and focus on interaction statements rather.
Some God who creates the verse and the law system (cause and effect system) is technically acc type 5 (if there is only one system in this verse).
This does not qualify because the author is supposed to mention the interaction statement, and if he does not, it is type 4 (even tho it does not qualify for type 4)

So yes. I am wondering which character explicitly stated this without any anti-feat to begin with.
 
Dread said:
The thing is, (it is my opinion about the topic) they all ignore the main sole of the real definition of acc type 5 and focus on interaction statements rather.
Some God who creates the verse and the law system (cause and effect system) is technically acc type 5 (if there is only one system in this verse).
This does not qualify because the author is supposed to mention the interaction statement, and if he does not, it is type 4 (even tho it does not qualify for type 4)

So yes. I am wondering which character explicitly stated this without any anti-feat to begin with.
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Their ACA 5 was actually type 4 based higher dimension being above the lower one. I'm not knowledgeable on Acausality yet I could easily tell from the OP
 
Dereck03 said:
Well, I'll have to argue for Anos... This time it will be related to Graham.

Currently Graham's Nothingness as well as his true Nature are being used as justification for NEP2, Aca 5 and TD 2. Graham nothingness has much evidence of not being able to be interacted with in any way. This is only his nothingness, but his true nature lacks and unbound of order. In other words, his true nature is above his nothingness, which is already incapable of being interacted with or destroyed by anything other than Venuzdonoa which can destroy all things in creation or Anos' Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction which its destruction and overall power is stated to even surppases Venuzdonoa. But the point is that one of those orders includes the order of causality that governs the world's system of causality, which governs the causality of the verse at conceptual level due to the nature of the order. Since Graham nothingness and true nature has clear evidence of not being interacted with, Anos which his true nature is chaos and destruction which is the lack of and opposite of all "order", Graham always considered Anos his equal and when his true nothingness and Anos' destruction were in conflict, Graham realized that Anos' true nature of destruction and chaos far outweighed his nothingness. The point, as much as Graham nothingness and true nature have proof of being impossible to interact, Anos' source sharing the same nature as Graham, not having been able to be interacted with and even surpassing his nature, should be proof enough for the 2 to keep their Aca 5. There is also another proof where someone uses the order of causality to interact with Anos source but it was useless, but I don't have the chapter number at the moment.



What do you guys think?
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One more thing, you need actually to tell them that the justification should be changed to fit the criteria and new wiki standards.
 
@Dread could I trouble you to add resistance to existence Erasure for all gods in your sandbox? I just remembered something shin said and they all resist. I have the reference for it as well
 
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