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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Overlord_THE_END said:
But Anos manage to change Sasha and Misha's past tho?
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He killed the god and changed it. Also he used a specific thing to keep the changes. He himself stated if many noticed changes of what he did it would have been undid but only other people who knows about his ivis. So it didn't affected them.

Beside Eugo was the one who reverses everything with his authority
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
He killed the god and changed it. Also he used a specific thing to keep the changes. He himself stated if many noticed changes of what he did it would have been undid but only other people who knows about his ivis. So it didn't affected them.

Beside Eugo was the one who reverses everything with his authority
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Tatsumi504 said:
It was a miniscule change not something drastic that's why it was originally only "limited Acausality 1". The only thing that was changed was two half roots becoming complete. He also limited their memory of the event so they don't remember it while growing up and change the past (he says this during the team competition against the fan union and lay).
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I see.
So it's a mechanic of the verse, okay, thank you.
 
If the method is valid then it doesn't matter if the speed gotten is mftl or infinite

"Be swallowed by eternal time and disappear." (Ivis)
A silver light envelops me, and time accelerates. One billion years -- ten billion years -- no, eternal time - piled up in an instant. Even the body of a demon king cannot survive infinite time. Eventually, it will decay and vanish completely. As the light burst open, the body that had experienced eternal time disappeared and became extinct.

You can't see this and still say it's mftl. This is so BLATENT that calculating it WRONG
Tatsumi504 said:
It would be hard to get infinite speed with time manipulation accepted, especially since Anos explicitly says "practically 0secs". Practically 0secs ≠ secs.
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Then either this time acceleration doesn't scale to other time accelerations or the method isn't valid.
 
Also is it good time to bring the fact that since worlds are 2-A now SS layers contain countless worlds instead of infinite since any amount of 2-A worlds can fill infinite layer.
 
Orioreeem said:
If the method is valid then it doesn't matter if the speed gotten is mftl or infinite

"Be swallowed by eternal time and disappear." (Ivis)
A silver light envelops me, and time accelerates. One billion years -- ten billion years -- no, eternal time - piled up in an instant. Even the body of a demon king cannot survive infinite time. Eventually, it will decay and vanish completely. As the light burst open, the body that had experienced eternal time disappeared and became extinct.

You can't see this and still say it's mftl. This is so BLATENT that calculating it WRONG

Then either this time acceleration doesn't scale to other time accelerations or the method isn't valid.
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Hmm, I see your point. Then I'll make it like this;
Speed: At least Supersonic, Mftl+ (1,051,927,731c) to Infinite speed with time acceleration (Capable of accelerating time. Accelerated Anos voldigoad's time to a billion years, 10 billion years then to infinity in an instant).

Does this work for you?
 
I know wiki mostly take "instant" as 1 second(or 0.1 I'm not sure) but in this case considering how feat is so blatant, I'm more inclined to take it literally.
 
If it wasn't instant Anos could've done a lot of things to stop Eugo aging him like setting up anti-magic barrier for example or nulling it with his eyes.
 
Orioreeem said:
I know wiki mostly take "instant" as 1 second(or 0.1 I'm not sure) but in this case considering how feat is so blatant, I'm more inclined to take it literally.
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Things you would normally miss in the blink of an eye is regarded as instant so that's a time frame of 0.1s - 0.4s so the 1s time frame is a low ball for the calced feat.
Orioreeem said:
If it wasn't instant Anos could've done a lot of things to stop Eugo aging him like setting up anti-magic barrier for example or nulling it with his eyes.
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He could but there was no reason for him to do that since he could just resurrect. Also like I said, 1sec was a low ball.
 
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Tatsumi504 said:
hings you would normally miss in the blink of an eye is regarded as instantly
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Are they? Really not a thing I would think first when I read the word instantly. I know the reason wiki low balls instantly to 0,1 second is to avoid giving too high of statistics(infinite speed) to verses that don't have any other high-level speed feats, so I thought here it would be fine considering we have like 4 immeasurable and 1 infinite speed feats accepted
 
Orioreeem said:
Are they? Really not a thing I would think first when I read the word instantly. I know the reason wiki low balls instantly to 0,1 second is to avoid giving too high of statistics(infinite speed) to verses that don't have any other high-level speed feats, so I thought here it would be fine considering we have like 4 immeasurable and 1 infinite speed feats accepted
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Yeah it can be lower than 0.1secs. I'm just using what an average/below average human would consider to be "instant". It also only applies to the calced version, he can still very much accelerate to infinite speed.

Assuming you want it to be instant and not 1sec, just multiply the current value by 10.
 
A castle-like armor covers Meitilen's body.

The <Great Wall of Cause and Effect> Heizbane Elijah towering over the canopy was pouring silver light on him.



"Great Wall Armor Heizven Ieliya――"



"Hmm. It's an armor protected by karma. It's a silver castle world, so it doesn't seem like it's something that will fall out."



He pulls the two swords loosely.



"just right"



"I look up."

In the sky, there was a lone girl riding a gear that was ejected.



"Try it out to see if yours is really an authority for the main god."



The girl quietly nodded.



"The moon never rises, the sun sets, and spring illuminates the godless land."



A tranquil chant echoed through the second Valandias.



"<Rokka Rikka Rikka> Levi Hell Alter"



A large ring of burning ice appeared behind Arcana.



Simultaneous occurrence of freezing and burning. In front of that contradictory authority, the Great Wall Armor that King Tiger Meitilen was about to wear froze, then began to burn.



"No magic, no power can harm the silver castle towering over Balandias. All the causes and effects of this small world work to protect her concubine's castle-"



Maytilen opened his eyes wide.



The silver castle that surrounds the second Valandias. <Great Wall of Cause and Effect> Hayesbane Yeliya began to crumble with a rattling sound.



The order in the world was beginning to go out of order.



"...wh...wh, huh? Is this...?"



The <Great Wall of Cause and Effect> crumbled, and the huge wreckage rained down on King Tiger Meitiren one after another.



"Goo... goo... wow... this is... how can my castle... bare its fangs against me...!"



Karma to protect the chief god goes awry, and the castle begins to attack Meitiren.

One after another, the rubble of Ginjou crashed into him, crushing his body.



"Gyaa...gaa...horse, deer!? This is...my power...disappears...disappears..."



Buried in rubble, he lets out a sad cry.



"... ruling over Valandias... the power of the chief god...!? Why!? I can't do it...! What in the world is this...!?



"In my world, there is one non-conforming person who lost to me. It's a countermeasure created for when the chief god is born. I wanted to see if it would work."



A part of a particularly large silver castle with a sharp tip fell straight down to this place.



"Order is distorted and contradicted. I am a god who bows to the heavens."



Rubble was blown away with a thud.

The sharp debris of the castle pierced Meitilen's body and crushed him.



Meitiren is buried in a silver castle he created himself.

Perhaps because the power of cause and effect was insane, the rubble piled up on King Tiger's body while maintaining a strange balance.



The only part that was barely buried was the head.

All of the authority possessed by the chief god would have disappeared, and resistance would not have been possible.



"Did it work?"



Arcana descends from the sky while saying this.



"You look pretty"



"Then she became shy."



"Do you still have magic?"



"If you don't use Revine Girma, you'll be fine for a few minutes. In exchange, I won't let you stop me."



If the <Six Flowers of Disobedience> disappear, Meitiren will regain that authority.

"Currently, it's just that his power and movement have been sealed."



"The authority of the god of another world may not be completely sealed."



"Would you like to confirm that as well?"



I cut off Meitiren's head with a two-handed sword.
"No magic, no power can harm the silver castle towering over Balandias. All the causes and effects of this small world work to protect her concubine's castle-"
Would this be passive? Also Arcana making powers go out of control and attacking the wielder, what would that give her?
"You look pretty" Always a chad
 
Orioreeem said:
A castle-like armor covers Meitilen's body.

The <Great Wall of Cause and Effect> Heizbane Elijah towering over the canopy was pouring silver light on him.



"Great Wall Armor Heizven Ieliya――"



"Hmm. It's an armor protected by karma. It's a silver castle world, so it doesn't seem like it's something that will fall out."



He pulls the two swords loosely.



"just right"



"I look up."

In the sky, there was a lone girl riding a gear that was ejected.



"Try it out to see if yours is really an authority for the main god."



The girl quietly nodded.



"The moon never rises, the sun sets, and spring illuminates the godless land."



A tranquil chant echoed through the second Valandias.



"<Rokka Rikka Rikka> Levi Hell Alter"



A large ring of burning ice appeared behind Arcana.



Simultaneous occurrence of freezing and burning. In front of that contradictory authority, the Great Wall Armor that King Tiger Meitilen was about to wear froze, then began to burn.



"No magic, no power can harm the silver castle towering over Balandias. All the causes and effects of this small world work to protect her concubine's castle-"



Maytilen opened his eyes wide.



The silver castle that surrounds the second Valandias. <Great Wall of Cause and Effect> Hayesbane Yeliya began to crumble with a rattling sound.



The order in the world was beginning to go out of order.



"...wh...wh, huh? Is this...?"



The <Great Wall of Cause and Effect> crumbled, and the huge wreckage rained down on King Tiger Meitiren one after another.



"Goo... goo... wow... this is... how can my castle... bare its fangs against me...!"



Karma to protect the chief god goes awry, and the castle begins to attack Meitiren.

One after another, the rubble of Ginjou crashed into him, crushing his body.



"Gyaa...gaa...horse, deer!? This is...my power...disappears...disappears..."



Buried in rubble, he lets out a sad cry.



"... ruling over Valandias... the power of the chief god...!? Why!? I can't do it...! What in the world is this...!?



"In my world, there is one non-conforming person who lost to me. It's a countermeasure created for when the chief god is born. I wanted to see if it would work."



A part of a particularly large silver castle with a sharp tip fell straight down to this place.



"Order is distorted and contradicted. I am a god who bows to the heavens."



Rubble was blown away with a thud.

The sharp debris of the castle pierced Meitilen's body and crushed him.



Meitiren is buried in a silver castle he created himself.

Perhaps because the power of cause and effect was insane, the rubble piled up on King Tiger's body while maintaining a strange balance.



The only part that was barely buried was the head.

All of the authority possessed by the chief god would have disappeared, and resistance would not have been possible.



"Did it work?"



Arcana descends from the sky while saying this.



"You look pretty"



"Then she became shy."



"Do you still have magic?"



"If you don't use Revine Girma, you'll be fine for a few minutes. In exchange, I won't let you stop me."



If the <Six Flowers of Disobedience> disappear, Meitiren will regain that authority.

"Currently, it's just that his power and movement have been sealed."



"The authority of the god of another world may not be completely sealed."



"Would you like to confirm that as well?"



I cut off Meitiren's head with a two-handed sword.
"No magic, no power can harm the silver castle towering over Balandias. All the causes and effects of this small world work to protect her concubine's castle-"
Would this be passive? Also Arcana making powers go out of control and attacking the wielder, what would that give her?
"You look pretty" Always a chad
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As I already said. She should have all abilities of kind Tiger and Yzark but it's more like Yhwach having all schrifts but not using them.

Also speaking of Arcana. Her ability falls under immunity to causality manipulation ( by verse standard) greater Powernullification. Cm type 1. Power Mimicry and duplication. She changes the order probably something like transmutation or something else. Acausality type 4. Also possibly Acausality 2. Non duality.
 
Orioreeem said:
A castle-like armor covers Meitilen's body.

The <Great Wall of Cause and Effect> Heizbane Elijah towering over the canopy was pouring silver light on him.



"Great Wall Armor Heizven Ieliya――"



"Hmm. It's an armor protected by karma. It's a silver castle world, so it doesn't seem like it's something that will fall out."



He pulls the two swords loosely.



"just right"



"I look up."

In the sky, there was a lone girl riding a gear that was ejected.



"Try it out to see if yours is really an authority for the main god."



The girl quietly nodded.



"The moon never rises, the sun sets, and spring illuminates the godless land."



A tranquil chant echoed through the second Valandias.



"<Rokka Rikka Rikka> Levi Hell Alter"



A large ring of burning ice appeared behind Arcana.



Simultaneous occurrence of freezing and burning. In front of that contradictory authority, the Great Wall Armor that King Tiger Meitilen was about to wear froze, then began to burn.



"No magic, no power can harm the silver castle towering over Balandias. All the causes and effects of this small world work to protect her concubine's castle-"



Maytilen opened his eyes wide.



The silver castle that surrounds the second Valandias. <Great Wall of Cause and Effect> Hayesbane Yeliya began to crumble with a rattling sound.



The order in the world was beginning to go out of order.



"...wh...wh, huh? Is this...?"



The <Great Wall of Cause and Effect> crumbled, and the huge wreckage rained down on King Tiger Meitiren one after another.



"Goo... goo... wow... this is... how can my castle... bare its fangs against me...!"



Karma to protect the chief god goes awry, and the castle begins to attack Meitiren.

One after another, the rubble of Ginjou crashed into him, crushing his body.



"Gyaa...gaa...horse, deer!? This is...my power...disappears...disappears..."



Buried in rubble, he lets out a sad cry.



"... ruling over Valandias... the power of the chief god...!? Why!? I can't do it...! What in the world is this...!?



"In my world, there is one non-conforming person who lost to me. It's a countermeasure created for when the chief god is born. I wanted to see if it would work."



A part of a particularly large silver castle with a sharp tip fell straight down to this place.



"Order is distorted and contradicted. I am a god who bows to the heavens."



Rubble was blown away with a thud.

The sharp debris of the castle pierced Meitilen's body and crushed him.



Meitiren is buried in a silver castle he created himself.

Perhaps because the power of cause and effect was insane, the rubble piled up on King Tiger's body while maintaining a strange balance.



The only part that was barely buried was the head.

All of the authority possessed by the chief god would have disappeared, and resistance would not have been possible.



"Did it work?"



Arcana descends from the sky while saying this.



"You look pretty"



"Then she became shy."



"Do you still have magic?"



"If you don't use Revine Girma, you'll be fine for a few minutes. In exchange, I won't let you stop me."



If the <Six Flowers of Disobedience> disappear, Meitiren will regain that authority.

"Currently, it's just that his power and movement have been sealed."



"The authority of the god of another world may not be completely sealed."



"Would you like to confirm that as well?"



I cut off Meitiren's head with a two-handed sword.
"No magic, no power can harm the silver castle towering over Balandias. All the causes and effects of this small world work to protect her concubine's castle-"
Would this be passive? Also Arcana making powers go out of control and attacking the wielder, what would that give her?
"You look pretty" Always a chad
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Damn, arcana is OP. It passive once she involves the order.
Looks like a combo of power nullification, power modification. Nousgalia (if he has a profile) made alharthern attack reno despite her controlling it so it looks like power modification to me.
 
Someine create a sandbox for arcana already. We can't have someone this OP with no profile.
Also from what I'm seeing here she basically has resistance negation to resistance to resistance negation.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
power modification. Nousgalia (if he has a profile) made alharthern attack reno despite her controlling it so it looks like power modification to me.
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He will have all order duplication except creation and destruction gods. He even duplicated dilpred abilities. I mean eldemade duplicated that.
 
Orioreeem said:
What do you mean by this?
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She is a order which is opposite to all orders. Causality falls under the order. She is a contradiction to everything. Order shouldn't be able to hurt her as she is stated to even able to neg chief gods without any problem. Only our Chad Yzark is built different.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Misha also has powernull with her order do you think she can neg King tiger Causality Manipulation?.
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Probably not because she is just a creation God who is below Chief God, Arcana's power null is more versatile and because of that she can defeat Chief God which is why she shouldn't even exist
 
Tho I wanna say that Misha and Sasha also shouldn't be able to recreate Maytilen, Balandis World and stop it from getting destroyed yet they did it anyway at the end of Volume 11
 
The snowflakes, which resemble flowers and are born from the moonlight, are called "Yukigetsu-ka Setsugetsukka (snow, moon, and flowers).

＜In the light of the "Moon of Creation," all life is imbued with the magical power that is its source.

What is born is the primordial and fundamental source of all things, the root of life.

It is a battlefield where many lives were lost.

Under the silvery moonlight, the wasteland and the corpses, from the broken trees to the withered grass and flowers, froze and disappeared as if time had stopped.

As the old perishes, a new is born.

For, as they say, in the night of thousands of perditions, the moon shines in the sky and performs the miracle of rebirth.
So life manipulation, existence erasure, forced reincarnation for Misha with artieltonoa? I've also got a statement that could give sasha memory manipulation with sargeldonave from anos.

Damn, you really notice a lot of stuff you missed when you go back to read in search of feats.
 
Orioreeem said:
Probably not because she is just a creation God who is below Chief God, Arcana's power null is more versatile and because of that she can defeat Chief God which is why she shouldn't even exist
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💀 Bro arcana AP & durability scales below Misha. Arcana powernull is so different from others
 
Tatsumi504 said:
The snowflakes, which resemble flowers and are born from the moonlight, are called "Yukigetsu-ka Setsugetsukka (snow, moon, and flowers).

＜In the light of the "Moon of Creation," all life is imbued with the magical power that is its source.

What is born is the primordial and fundamental source of all things, the root of life.

It is a battlefield where many lives were lost.

Under the silvery moonlight, the wasteland and the corpses, from the broken trees to the withered grass and flowers, froze and disappeared as if time had stopped.

As the old perishes, a new is born.

For, as they say, in the night of thousands of perditions, the moon shines in the sky and performs the miracle of rebirth.
So life manipulation, existence erasure, forced reincarnation for Misha with artieltonoa? I've also got a statement that could give sasha memory manipulation with sargeldonave from anos.

Damn, you really notice a lot of stuff you missed when you go back to read in search of feats.
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Chapter?
She erased Celis remaining part of source. That also supports it.
 
Orioreeem said:
Eh that's assuming series follows Power null that way which it pretty clearly doesn't, it follows layers and versatility
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No. Series literally follows abilities based on character bound by order and not look at anos and Graham. She falls under same catagory. She is a contradiction to everything.
 
Hmm, I'm having issues with compiling scans for jerga. Could I just link the entire chapter to the CRT or only translate the needed parts?
 
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