Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

[wwereymy235]

Just spoiler anahem's ability, that i want propose in next CRT

Infinite layer of High godly regen (Can regenerate after his root get destroyed and continues to perish until infinity)

NEP 3 (aspect type 2, can move even though his root finally destroyed)

Spoiler: Chapter 469

　根源を無限に割り続ける秘奥が参＜無間(むげん)＞に対して、＜無滅(むめつ)＞はそれが無に帰すまで永遠に斬滅し続ける。
「おの……ぐ……れ……がががががが……！　このアナ――ぐ、ごごごご……！！　があああぁぁぁっ……！！」
　幾度となく、アナヘムは滅ぶ。
　しかし、そこまでしてなお、終焉神は不滅であった。
　滅び続けるアナヘムの魔力がどこまでも果てしなく上昇していき、奴は憤怒の形相を浮かべた。
「……こ、の……愚か者めがぁぁっ……！！」
　ついには根源を滅ぼされながらも、アナヘムは動いた。
　終焉の神に、滅びなどないと言わんばかりに、斬神剣をつかみ、グゼラミを逆手に持って振り上げた。
In contrast to <Mugen(Infinite)>, the secret that continues to divide the roots infinitely, <Muetsu(Immortality)> continues to slaughter forever until it returns to nothingness.

"Oh... gu... re... ga ga ga ga ga...! This announcer - gu, gogogogo...!!

Again and again, Anahem will perish.

However, even so, the God of Demise was immortal.

The magical power of Anahem, which continues to perish, rises endlessly, and he has a look of wrath.

"... this... you fool...!!"

Even though his roots were finally destroyed, Anahem moved.

As if to say to the God of Demise that there is no such thing as destruction, he grabbed the slashing sword and raised the Guzerami in his reverse hand.

If this passes, would it support Grahams inf nep 2?

 

[Dereck03]

Wow, Plot Manip for Anahem.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Just spoiler anahem's ability, that i want propose in next CRT

Infinite layer of High godly regen (Can regenerate after his root get destroyed and continues to perish until infinity)

NEP 3 (aspect type 2, can move even though his root finally destroyed)

Spoiler: Chapter 469

　根源を無限に割り続ける秘奥が参＜無間(むげん)＞に対して、＜無滅(むめつ)＞はそれが無に帰すまで永遠に斬滅し続ける。
「おの……ぐ……れ……がががががが……！　このアナ――ぐ、ごごごご……！！　があああぁぁぁっ……！！」
　幾度となく、アナヘムは滅ぶ。
　しかし、そこまでしてなお、終焉神は不滅であった。
　滅び続けるアナヘムの魔力がどこまでも果てしなく上昇していき、奴は憤怒の形相を浮かべた。
「……こ、の……愚か者めがぁぁっ……！！」
　ついには根源を滅ぼされながらも、アナヘムは動いた。
　終焉の神に、滅びなどないと言わんばかりに、斬神剣をつかみ、グゼラミを逆手に持って振り上げた。
In contrast to <Mugen(Infinite)>, the secret that continues to divide the roots infinitely, <Muetsu(Immortality)> continues to slaughter forever until it returns to nothingness.

"Oh... gu... re... ga ga ga ga ga...! This announcer - gu, gogogogo...!!

Again and again, Anahem will perish.

However, even so, the God of Demise was immortal.

The magical power of Anahem, which continues to perish, rises endlessly, and he has a look of wrath.

"... this... you fool...!!"

Even though his roots were finally destroyed, Anahem moved.

As if to say to the God of Demise that there is no such thing as destruction, he grabbed the slashing sword and raised the Guzerami in his reverse hand.

Brah

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Wow, Plot Manip for Anahem.

.....

 

[Dereck03]

.....

stfu

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

stfu

 

[Dereck03]

According to fixxed that's just a spoiler, so we'll see what Null's replacement Fixxed will bring.

 

[wwereymy235]

.

 

[Iiliminal]

how much more broken can u get

MG characters: yes

 

[Iiliminal]

Null's replacement

 

[Dereck03]

What we need before any tier 1 stuffs? Well.

1. Plot Manip
2. TD 3 or even 4
3. Infinite Layers haxs
4. Maybe Infinite Layers Regen stuffs.

 

[Tatsumi504]

I have this proposal for Eugo too.

We don't know by how much he accelerated. The best he can get is "far higher with time manipulation."

 

[Tatsumi504]

Just spoiler anahem's ability, that i want propose in next CRT

Infinite layer of High godly regen (Can regenerate after his root get destroyed and continues to perish until infinity)

NEP 3 (aspect type 2, can move even though his root finally destroyed)

Spoiler: Chapter 469

　根源を無限に割り続ける秘奥が参＜無間(むげん)＞に対して、＜無滅(むめつ)＞はそれが無に帰すまで永遠に斬滅し続ける。
「おの……ぐ……れ……がががががが……！　このアナ――ぐ、ごごごご……！！　があああぁぁぁっ……！！」
　幾度となく、アナヘムは滅ぶ。
　しかし、そこまでしてなお、終焉神は不滅であった。
　滅び続けるアナヘムの魔力がどこまでも果てしなく上昇していき、奴は憤怒の形相を浮かべた。
「……こ、の……愚か者めがぁぁっ……！！」
　ついには根源を滅ぼされながらも、アナヘムは動いた。
　終焉の神に、滅びなどないと言わんばかりに、斬神剣をつかみ、グゼラミを逆手に持って振り上げた。
In contrast to <Mugen(Infinite)>, the secret that continues to divide the roots infinitely, <Muetsu(Immortality)> continues to slaughter forever until it returns to nothingness.

"Oh... gu... re... ga ga ga ga ga...! This announcer - gu, gogogogo...!!

Again and again, Anahem will perish.

However, even so, the God of Demise was immortal.

The magical power of Anahem, which continues to perish, rises endlessly, and he has a look of wrath.

"... this... you fool...!!"

Even though his roots were finally destroyed, Anahem moved.

As if to say to the God of Demise that there is no such thing as destruction, he grabbed the slashing sword and raised the Guzerami in his reverse hand.

Infinite layers of HGR? No. Its just shin dividing his roots over and over again as for NEP, I have no idea how to evaluate that.

 

[Tatsumi504]

For some reason, people think the hax layers are only 99+ layers instead of at least 99*uncountable layers.

 

[afzofah]

We don't know by how much he accelerated. The best he can get is "far higher with time manipulation."

Anos himself said it took Ivis "practically zero seconds" to approach him. Why wouldn't it be Infinite speed?

Infinite Speed (Able to travel any finite distance in zero time, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. Teleportation does not count.)

 

[Tatsumi504]

Anos himself said it took Ivis "practically zero seconds" to approach him. Why wouldn't it be Infinite speed?

Infinite Speed (Able to travel any finite distance in zero time, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. Teleportation does not count.)

Practically 0seconds =/= 0seconds.
0.01s, 0.001s, 0.0001s, 0.00001s are all almost zero seconds but have a huge speed difference.

At best he'll get infinite speed with time manipulation

 

[afzofah]

Practically 0seconds =/= 0seconds.
0.01s, 0.001s, 0.0001s, 0.00001s are all almost zero seconds but have a huge speed difference.

At best he'll get infinite speed with time manipulation

Anos' time was accelerated to infinity during his fight, wasn't it? Wouldn't the same also apply to Ivis as well?

Also, yeah that was my proposal, Infinite via Time Acceleration.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Maybe Infinite Layers Regen stuffs.

Infinite Layered Regen is a thing?!

 

[Dereck03]

Infinite Layered Regen is a thing?!

Ye.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Practically 0seconds =/= 0seconds.
0.01s, 0.001s, 0.0001s, 0.00001s are all almost zero seconds but have a huge speed difference.

At best he'll get infinite speed with time manipulation

Anos has immeasurable speed . Him saying Practically zero should be zero unless if we are missing something. At these least with Anime pixel scaling and LN statement that feat can be scaled to FTL+ if am correct. The rating would go up. If we calculate that.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

NEP 3 (aspect type 2, can move even though his root finally destroyed)

I think it's NEP 1 aspect type 2.

The root does not exist anymore, and only nothingness is left. So NEP 1.

 

[Orioreeem]

Word "Practically" literally disproves infinite speed.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Anos' time was accelerated to infinity during his fight, wasn't it? Wouldn't the same also apply to Ivis as well?

Also, yeah that was my proposal, Infinite via Time Acceleration.

Pretty sure wiki won't accept infinite. Even if it's infinite, it won't scale to his combat and reaction speed either.

Instead I propose we give him a speed rating based on how quickly he has been shown to accelerate time.

Ivis could age anos at least 10billion years in 1sec.
There's roughly 31,536,000seconds in a year. That's 3.156x10^17 seconds in 10 billion years, divided by speed of light gives him 1,051,927,731c (Mftl+).

This is a serious low ball considering he actually aged Anos an eternity. It also works because no one actually scales to this, neither is it calc stacking as it doesn't take the supersonic speed rating into account.

Do you guys think it'll work out? And yes, it applies to Eugo's combat and reaction speed as well.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Anos has immeasurable speed . Him saying Practically zero should be zero unless if we are missing something. At these least with Anime pixel scaling and LN statement that feat can be scaled to FTL+ if am correct. The rating would go up. If we calculate that.

Pretty sure wiki won't accept infinite. Even if it's infinite, it won't scale to his combat and reaction speed either.

Instead I propose we give him a speed rating based on how quickly he has been shown to accelerate time.

Ivis could age anos at least 10billion years in 1sec.
There's roughly 31,536,000seconds in a year. That's 3.156x10^17 seconds in 10 billion years, divided by speed of light gives him 1,051,927,731c (Mftl+).

This is a serious low ball considering he actually aged Anos and eternity. It also works because no one actually scales to this, neither is it calc stacking as it doesn't take the supersonic speed rating into account.

Do you guys think it'll work out? And yes, it applies to Eugo's combat and reaction speed as well.

Mftl+ actually at least 1billion times SoL.
@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Dereck03 @EldemadeDityjon @Overlord_THE_END @Fixxed @Orioreeem @Dread

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Mftl+ actually at least 1billion times SoL

Also Guardian diety having multiple selves is stated after Anos vs Graham fight.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Also Guardian diety having multiple selves is stated after Anos vs Graham fight.

Thanks. I'll try to get Acausality 1&3 (for everybody, guardian gods) accepted in the next CRT, Including Unconventional resistance to Fate Manipulation (for everybody) and Immunity/Unconventional resistance/just plain resistance to Fear, Mind and Empathic Manipulation for Gods.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

　起源魔法＜時間操作レバイド＞にて、滅びの紫電を数瞬前の過去へ送り込む。

「＜深掌魔灰燼紫滅雷火電界ラヴィアズ・ギルグ・ガヴェリィズド＞」

「……が………………！」

　突如、過去に発生した紫電を、災人は避けることすらできなかった。時間を遡り、奴はその滅びの魔法をすでに食らっていたこととなったのだ。

　まるで嵐の如く、滅びの暴雷が荒れ狂う。

　災人の肉体を伝い、反魔法をズタズタに引き裂きながら、その根源を途方もない量の紫電が幾度となく貫いた。

「……てめ、え…………！」

　狂喜に満ちた顔で、奴は笑う。こちらの狙いを察したのだろう。

　＜氷獄災禍凛令終天凍土シヴィラ・エビオン・バルムアーデ＞も止まっておらず、それは俺の体を蝕み、根源さえも停止させようと冷たい災禍を解放する。

　だが、構わず俺は＜深掌魔灰燼紫滅雷火電界ラヴィアズ・ギルグ・ガヴェリィズド＞を奴の根源に集中させていく。

　そうして、我慢比べとばかりにニヤリと笑った。

「過去だからといって、可能性がないと思ったか」

　滅びの暴雷と災禍の氷晶が両者を飲み込んでいき、災淵世界を二分するが如く膨れ上がった――

　The origin magic <Time Manipulation Levade> sends the purple electricity of doom to the past a few moments ago.

<Deep Palm Demon Ashes, Cinder, Lightning, Fire, Electricity, Raviaz, Gilg, Gaverizd>."

"...... is now ..................!"

　Suddenly, the disaster victims could not even avoid the purple lightning that occurred in the past. He had already been hit by the magic of destruction by going back in time.

　Like a storm, the thunderstorm of destruction raged.

　A tremendous amount of purple lightning shot through the disaster's body, tearing the anti-magic to shreds and piercing its roots over and over again.

"You ......, eh ............!"

　He laughed with a face full of maniacal glee. He must have guessed what we were after.

　<Ice Hell Disaster Rin Rin Order End Heavenly Frozen Earth Civilla Evion Balmuade> has not stopped either, and it releases cold disaster to eat away at my body, trying to stop even the root cause.

　However, without caring, I concentrate my <Deep Palm Demon Ashes Ashburn Lightning Lightning Fire Electric Field Raviaz Gilg Gaverizd> on the root of the guy.

　Then he grinned as if it were a contest of endurance.

"Did you think that just because it was in the past, it wasn't possible?"

　The lightning of destruction and the ice crystals of calamity swallowed both of them and swelled up as if they were dividing the world of calamity in two.

I think even if sending attacks back in time to attack it doesn't mean it's a big weakness for Yzark.

His Anti Magic was still active in the past also. His Passive Freezing ability isn't the only one which wasn't active.

Also attacking him from wouldn't stop the present and future abilities of his.

　凶暴な冷気により凍結していくこの身とは裏腹に、荒れ狂う稲妻に撃ち抜かれた災人が勢いよく弾け飛ぶ。

　根源の中心に叩き込んだ＜深掌魔灰燼紫滅雷火電界ラヴィアズ・ギルグ・ガヴェリィズド＞は、＜凍獄の災禍＞にて凍結されることはない。

　にもかかわらず、災淵世界に大きな損傷が見られぬのは、その威力のすべてが災人イザークの根源に集中しているからだ。

　目映い紫電が奴の内側で暴れ回り、その体は空に打ち上げられていく。

　Despite this body being frozen by the ferocious cold air, the calamity shot out by the raging lightning bursts forth with great vigor.

　The <Deep Palm Demon Ashes Ashburn Purple Lightning Lightning Fire Electric World Raviaz Gilg Gaverizd> that struck the center of the root will not be frozen by the <Disaster of the Frozen Hell>.

　Nevertheless, the reason why no serious damage is seen in the world of the abyss is that all of its power is concentrated at the root of the wretch Yzark.

　A blinding purple lightning storm rages within him, and his body is launched into the sky.

　今なお＜深掌魔灰燼紫滅雷火電界ラヴィアズ・ギルグ・ガヴェリィズド＞は奴の根源で暴れ狂っている。そうでなければ、こう易々とは当たらなかった。

　そして、それは＜氷獄災禍凛令終天凍土シヴィラ・エビオン・バルムアーデ＞も同じだ。

　災人が放った深層大魔法の勢いは衰えることなく、俺の体を凍結させ続けている。

　思うように腕が上がらぬ。

　Even now, the <Deep Palm Ash Ember Ash Ember Purple Lightning Fire Electric World Raviaz Gilg Gaverizd> is still rampaging at his root. Otherwise, it would not have hit him so easily.

　And it is the same for <Ice Hell Disaster Rinri Order End of Heaven Frozen Earth Civilla Evion Balmuade>.

　The momentum of the deep magic unleashed by the scourge never abates, and it continues to freeze my body.

　I can't raise my arms as I would like.

I think it should be noted as minor weakness for him. His root still had the Durability to take the hits from Anos spells and On the contrary Anos got frozen by Yzark at the same time.

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

What we need before any tier 1 stuffs? Well.

1. TD 3 or even 4

I know Anos already qualifies for TD3 bar 1A but is there any evidence for TD4. I believe Arcana forms some ground for that, doesn't she?

 

[Tatsumi504]

I think even if sending attacks back in time to attack it doesn't mean it's a big weakness for Yzark.

His Anti Magic was still active in the past also. His Passive Freezing ability isn't the only one which wasn't active.

Also attacking him from wouldn't stop the present and future abilities of his.



I think it should be noted as minor weakness for him. His root still had the Durability to take the hits from Anos spells and On the contrary Anos got frozen by Yzark at the same time.

Speaking of which, MG characters sources obviously scale far higher than their durability. Meaning if you don't have the AP you can't destroy it.

Do you think it can be accepted?

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Acausality 1&3 (for everybody

Everybody? Who's everybody in this context?

Mftl+ actually at least 1billion times SoL.
@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Dereck03 @EldemadeDityjon @Overlord_THE_END @Fixxed @Orioreeem @Dread

As much as I want to voice my opinion on this, I'm utterly bad at math so Oblivion is a better voice of reason in this.
Tho I think you can argue with Eugo MFTL+ Speed via arguing through amps.

Something like MFTL+ via (time acceleration or time manip) or perhaps Higher via amps (Able to accelerate his speed using (....)) if MFTL+ is not accepted and instead we compromise by giving higher key in Eugo speed instead.

Kamen Rider Kabuto got FTL and Immeasurable Speed via amps so I think you can argue for that, just don't argue for Infinite or Immeasurable. I don't think the wiki will accept those with the current evidence.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Speaking of which, MG characters sources obviously scale far higher than their durability. Meaning if you don't have the AP you can't destroy it.

Do you think it can be accepted?

Yeah completely but my point is Yzark anti magic was still active in the past i mean it should be noted because of Opponent character which Yzark fights in vs battle makes a statement for going back in time and attacking it shouldn't be easily break through his anti magic. Also the fact anos deepened the lighting that made it possible to break thru his anti magic. Beside We need to establish NPI for Sources. You can't just touch source with normal NPI. Its very deeper than spirit.

I don't know may be Yzark may have avoided the attack if it wasn't for Anos using nirvana and shadow binding technique

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I know Anos already qualifies for TD3 bar 1A but is there any evidence for TD4. I believe Arcana forms some ground for that, doesn't she?

TD3 becomes TD 2 & TD 4 becomes TD3 in future so getting TD 3 is possible.

 

[Orioreeem]

Mftl+ actually at least 1billion times SoL.
@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Dereck03 @EldemadeDityjon @Overlord_THE_END @Fixxed @Orioreeem @Dread

That should just be infinite speed because he aged him to eternity, calcing it goes against the feat. Still two issues:
1 why would this scale to his other time accelerations?
2 this is just...hax? Age manipulation is supposed to be able to do this.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

@Tatsumi504 Eugola should get Conceptual manipulation on time basis. but I will wait for Next Volume translation.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Everybody? Who's everybody in this context?

Everyone including misfits (except for their source/ true form). Everyone is bound to order especially so for the gods who embody it. The order of time doesn't allow the past to be changed.
Acausality 3 is only for guardian gods.
Multiple copies of each of them exist and they're all one and the same.

Tho I think you can argue with Eugo MFTL+ Speed via arguing through amps.

just don't argue for Infinite or Immeasurable. I don't think the wiki will accept those with the current evidence.

Yeah, of course I won't. If I did, the Mftl+ rating won't be accepted either.

That should just be infinite speed because he aged him to eternity, calcing it goes against the feat. Still two issues:
1 why would this scale to his other time accelerations?
2 this is just...hax? Age manipulation is supposed to be able to do this.

It would be hard to get infinite speed with time manipulation accepted, especially since Anos explicitly says "practically 0secs". Practically 0secs ≠ secs. We also have a given low ball rate for how quickly he can accelerate time.
1.) Because its all done with the order of time as such should scale to his other time acceleration feats.
2.) Yeah, it's hax. But the age manipulation is still done through time manipulation (time acceleration to be exact) not through some other means like life manipulation+ absorption or biological manipulation.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

1 why would this scale to his other time accelerations?
2 this is just...hax? Age manipulation is supposed to be able to do this.

1. He can at least accelerate this much, so it can be used as a baseline of things Eugo can accelerate.
2. Yes, but the age manip came from his power to manipulate time.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Everyone including misfits (except for their source/ true form). Everyone is bound to order especially so for the gods who embody it. The order of time doesn't allow the past to be changed.

But Anos manage to change Sasha and Misha's past tho?

 

[wwereymy235]

But Anos manage to change Sasha and Misha's past tho?

Why do you think

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Why do you think

Anos send their source back to the past, effectively changing their past and their fate ig.

 

[Tatsumi504]

But Anos manage to change Sasha and Misha's past tho?

It was a miniscule change not something drastic that's why it was originally only "limited Acausality 1". The only thing that was changed was two half roots becoming complete. He also limited their memory of the event so they don't remember it while growing up and change the past (he says this during the team competition against the fan union and lay).