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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Is there such a thing as potency to fear hax?
Reading through the 4th arc again and Anos fear haxed nousgalia towards the end and gods basically have unconventional resistance, if not outright immunity to mind, fear and emphatic manipulation. The fear also caused paralysis.
Chapter 182.
"Haha"

Letting out a dry laugh, Nousgaria slowly wakes up.

"Fear? You give fear? To me, God."

His eyes turn quietly towards me.

"Oh, what a meaningless, worthless, useless word, Anos Voldigord."

As if there was no damage from being hit, he calmly walks over here.

"God is order. For demons, humans, spirits, and all other things that live in this world, it is an absolute existence. It is the reason of this world. Your life simply follows order, lives, and dies. It is said that you resent God. It's meaningless, let alone trying to inflict fear."

Strictly, Nousgaria raises her hands.

"Let me give you wisdom, you ignorant. We are nothing. We have no anger, no sorrow. God is immortal, so he doesn't even live. Therefore, there is no fear, and we just continue to be the reason of this world. That's it."

Chapter 184/186
God has no fear. There is no mind, no will, only one order in this body.
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These aren't the only statements, there are a few others ranging from ch.182 - 186.

Looks like we need to update Anos passives;
  • Greater fear manipulation (can bypass unconventional resistance)
  • Paralysis Inducement (can cause paralysis).
 
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It'd be a good feat for Anos, yeah. Being able to fear hax someone who lacks of mind, and as thus can't feel fear to begin with should be a pretty good feat. I'm not sure, but I think that fear haxing someone without mind is better than fear haxing someone with resistance to fear hax.

It, somehow, remembers to me to Chuck Norris fact book where he can fear hax even objects or concepts lmao
 
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Dog3352 said:
Seriously? Is this guy on par with the base Anos (no ACC and TD2) just with plot manipulation?
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He cannot kill Anos or anything.
But he can make Anos act like an idiot, imagine Anos sparing his opponent, imagine Anos accidentally missing his attack with Venuzdonoa, imagine Anos suddenly deciding it's not worth killing him in a duel, and many other plot convenience downplay of a character.
 
Eh all that kinda can't happen because plot would need to affect his mind which to affect you need to affect his source which hr can't do
Overlord_THE_END said:
He cannot kill Anos or anything.
But he can make Anos act like an idiot, imagine Anos sparing his opponent, imagine Anos accidentally missing his attack with Venuzdonoa, imagine Anos suddenly deciding it's not worth killing him in a duel, and many other plot convenience downplay of a character.
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Tatsumi504 said:
Bump.
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Let us take it slowly. Also i will give some suggestions against Common abilities of the verse. Tomorrow if possible. Let's finish that and drop it in a big thread.

Deep drum should be limited adaptation and resistance negation. Its not solid adaptation like Anos. It only makes some magic of shallow into deep not all.
Also deep zelis should be solid Adaptation and resistance negation. But it only works on who can use weapons. Like eges and shin.

Deep drum is for magic and deep zelis is for weapon users. But all militia inhabitants knows both because Eldemade taught them.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Is there such a thing as potency to fear hax?
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I mean, I believe every hax has layers.
Tatsumi504 said:
Reading through the 4th arc again and Anos fear haxed nousgalia towards the end and gods basically have unconventional resistance, if not outright immunity to mind, fear and emphatic manipulation. The fear also caused paralysis.
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I don't really know if they do have unconventional resistance or immunity or if even the wiki accepts them as such.
But you can put more justification on the hax section of the specific hax, and argue to add "greater" on the said ability at the CRT. Although it's kinda unnecessary to add the "greater" part considering arc 4 Anos feat is combined into his base tab unless the greater effect is achieved through a different ability or the ability did indeed grow in effect. It's possible the ability has always been able to do that much effect.

Also, didn't Anos already have paralysis inducement in his profile?
 
Overlord_THE_END said:
He cannot kill Anos or anything.
But he can make Anos act like an idiot, imagine Anos sparing his opponent, imagine Anos accidentally missing his attack with Venuzdonoa, imagine Anos suddenly deciding it's not worth killing him in a duel, and many other plot convenience downplay of a character.
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Anos suddenly getting horni and wanting to bang sasha in middle of the fight
 
Dereck03 said:
Logically speaking Yzak should be fat above eques but who knows.
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I mean equal sts. Yeah Normal sts Yzark overpowers him and outspeeds. He was easily keeping up with Anos. But

If we consider Eques predetermined fate manipulation sets a fate before world was created but the fate will affect the opponent in future then Yzark Frozen Hell gonna block that ability and passively nulls it. But if it's hits the opponent before that then Yzark can't block it.

Yzark abilities passively nulls any abilities which tries to affect his root from present and future. But it won't prevent it from the past.

I was just thinking. Eques fate manipulation kinda broken compared to other chief gods.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Let us take it slowly. Also i will give some suggestions against Common abilities of the verse. Tomorrow if possible. Let's finish that and drop it in a big thread.

Deep drum should be limited adaptation and resistance negation. Its not solid adaptation like Anos. It only makes some magic of shallow into deep not all.
Also deep zelis should be solid Adaptation and resistance negation. But it only works on who can use weapons. Like eges and shin.

Deep drum is for magic and deep zelis is for weapon users. But all militia inhabitants knows both because Eldemade taught them.
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Oh, I'm not dropping any CRT yet. I'm just compiling info for all possible minor additions instead of doing them separately.
 
Overlord_THE_END said:
Although it's kinda unnecessary to add the "greater" part considering arc 4 Anos feat is combined into his base tab unless the greater effect is achieved through a different ability or the ability did indeed grow in effect. It's possible the ability has always been able to do that much effect.

Also, didn't Anos already have paralysis inducement in his profile?
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The "greater" is necessary. Why is the feat combined into his base tab? Anos can already fear hax people with just his magic power and even some fodder are able to resist it.

This is a description by militia
God is order. We have no anger, no sorrow, no kindness, no pride, nothing. We only arise as an order and perform our role. This body is immortal, so it does not even live.

You mean there are no thoughts?"

Immortal beings do not need thoughts. It is the right to live, given only to the living.
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Since it won't be accepted as immunity, it's basically unconventional resistance and Anos fear haxed nousgalia. At least we should add this justification to increase his potency

Yeah he has paralysis inducement but its not passive. This would make it passive.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Since it won't be accepted as immunity, it's basically unconventional resistance and Anos fear haxed nousgalia. At least we should add this justification to increase his potency
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Unconventional resistance doesn't make it "more" resistant. It's just a resistance that can't be bypassed normally, like how we have it for soul and mind.

You mean there are no thoughts?"

Immortal beings do not need thoughts. It is the right to live, given only to the living.

This basically means that they aren't required to think, they just need to follow the order. They are forced to do that. I don't think it even fits as a resistance.
 
Orioreeem said:
Unconventional resistance doesn't make it "more" resistant. It's just a resistance that can't be bypassed normally, like how we have it for soul and mind.

You mean there are no thoughts?"

Immortal beings do not need thoughts. It is the right to live, given only to the living.

This basically means that they aren't required to think, they just need to follow the order. They are forced to do that. I don't think it even fits as a resistance.
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That was only the statement from militia, also, did you miss this part?
God is order. We have no anger, no sorrow, no kindness, no pride, nothing. We only arise as an order and perform our role. This body is immortal, so it does not even live.
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By nousgalia
Chapter 182.
"Haha"

Letting out a dry laugh, Nousgaria slowly wakes up.

"Fear? You give fear? To me, God."

His eyes turn quietly towards me.

"Oh, what a meaningless, worthless, useless word, Anos Voldigoad."

As if there was no damage from being hit, he calmly walks over here.

"God is order. For demons, humans, spirits, and all other things that live in this world, it is an absolute existence. It is the reason of this world. Your life simply follows order, lives, and dies. It is said that you resent God. It's meaningless, let alone trying to inflict fear."

Strictly, Nousgalia raises his hands.

"Let me give you wisdom, you ignorant. We are nothing. We have no anger, no sorrow. God is immortal, so he doesn't even live. Therefore, there is no fear, and we just continue to be the reason of this world. That's it."

Chapter 184/186
God has no fear. There is no mind, no will, only one order in this body.
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"This basically means that they aren't required to think, they just need to follow the order. They are forced to do that. I don't think it even fits as a resistance." How you arrived to this conclusion honestly baffles me.
 
Orioreeem said:
Unconventional resistance doesn't make it "more" resistant. It's just a resistance that can't be bypassed normally, like how we have it for soul and mind.
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This is something that clearly needs a much higher potency. He inflicted fear and it caused paralysis. Chapter 186
 
Tatsumi504 said:
That was only the statement from militia, also, did you miss this part?

By nousgalia

"This basically means that they aren't required to think, they just need to follow the order. They are forced to do that. I don't think it even fits as a resistance." How you arrived to this conclusion honestly baffles me.
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basically something like an AI. They dont have emotions.
 
For now the OP abilities shown are
  1. Reason Manipulation
  2. Yzark Frozen Hell which freezes Possibilities & another ability which freezes everything
  3. Eques Predetermined fate
  4. Evansmana Adaptation
  5. Ronzcrunz shadow technique
  6. Rayon
  7. Arcana eyes
  8. King tiger chief god Causality Manipulation (forgot that gus name)
  9. Anos and Celis possibilities Manipulation ( i can't spell that thing lol)
  10. Costoria eyes

Any other Abilities am I missing? I think these are top 10 in the verse
 
Tatsumi504 said:
The "greater" is necessary. Why is the feat combined into his base tab? Anos can already fear hax people with just his magic power and even some fodder are able to resist it.

This is a description by militia

Since it won't be accepted as immunity, it's basically unconventional resistance and Anos fear haxed nousgalia. At least we should add this justification to increase his potency

Yeah he has paralysis inducement but it's not passive. This would make it passive.
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I see.
I agree then with your proposal, so...
-Added more Justification to Anos Fear Hax to increase its potency (Able to inflict fear unto those incapable of feeling fear)
-And reword the paralysis inducement section so it have passive version and manual version to differentiate it.

Correct?
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
For now the OP abilities shown are
  1. Reason Manipulation
  2. Yzark Frozen Hell which freezes Possibilities & another ability which freezes everything
  3. Eques Predetermined fate
  4. Evansmana Adaptation
  5. Ronzcrunz shadow technique
  6. Rayon
  7. Arcana eyes
  8. King tiger chief god Causality Manipulation (forgot that gus name)
  9. Anos and Celis possibilities Manipulation ( i can't spell that thing lol)
  10. Costoria eyes

Any other Abilities am I missing? I think these are top 10 in the verse
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origin of destruction
 
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