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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Lapsad said:
Type 3 is always been that , destroy concept would also destroy reallity.
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No, that's not how concept works. It is the correlation between abstract idea (or shape) and objects. Like for example, destroying the concept of penis ain't suddenly nuke the entire universe, your pee pee gone at conceptual level, that's it.
 
GreatIskandar14045 said:
No, that's not how concept works. It is the correlation between abstract idea (or shape) and objects. Like for example, destroying the concept of penis ain't suddenly nuke the entire universe, your pee pee gone at conceptual level, that's it.
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I mean it destroy an object that related to concept , but i thought it don't need to specified.
 
GreatIskandar14045 said:
No, that's not how concept works. It is the correlation between abstract idea (or shape) and objects. Like for example, destroying the concept of penis ain't suddenly nuke the entire universe, your pee pee gone at conceptual level, that's it.
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Nice parable Zulk... now teach me about more terms
 
Reality is still be destroyed if you use CM type 3 to destroy the concept of reality,which means type 2 is not necessary to do that,the difference between two types is type 3 can be destroyed indirectly via destroying all objects that said concept represents as domino effect while type 2 can’t be destroyed due to that way
 
What... is the concept of reality? Can you give me example which fiction/verse does have that?

Edit: To make it simple. Type 2 is governing objects while being unbound by them, type 3 is governing objects and being bounded by them which destroying all of them on fundamental level would destroy said concept as well.
 
He shaped the whole reality which constituted with all types of concepts rather than the "idea" of reality itself, I'm sure. But I'll drop it now, sorry for the derail. I just wanna correct stuffs which I think are misconceptions but seems like it is unnecessary.
 
You do know that what I'm saying is that concept of reality doesn't really make sense, since concepts are the things that makes up reality, right? I'm not arguing about type 2 requirements or something like this, just saying that concept of reality is kind of nonsensical.

But like I said, it's derailing so I'll drop it.
 
You can think it's nonsensical if you want but in fact that concept still exists,ngl but I have other verse that directly said about concept of reality but you drop it due to derailment so I will stop here
 
Concepts are ideas. If you can think about it and classify it as something then it's an idea and thus can be a Concept, reality itself is included.
 
What I described is the basic idea of a Concept, any Concept; Type 4, 3, 2, or even 1. Concepts by basic definition are an idea describing a characteristic. One such characteristic is "reality".
 
I'm aware of that, but what I'm talking about here is a concept which govern an object, like Aristotlean's form and matter. Not the primary definition by itself.
 
Like bruh, some people here didn't read the actual reasoning properly ,their focus is on simple reasoning like "concept who embody concept doesn't make it type2" Which is we exactly know that here duh
 
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imZer0Null said:
Order = laws and concepts
Gods only maintain order, thus a God's death =/= destruction of their order, but a God's death = order not being maintained, which would disturb the order (remove the order from the natural cycle of the world).

Completely destroying an order would destroy the world as a by-product.

Normally, disturbing an order would not destroy the world as a by-product. There are two exceptions to this, namely the Lord God's order and the Heavenly Father God's order. The Lord God's order is the basic foundation for the world, and thus disturbing it would cause the world to collapse.

Details about the Heavenly Father God's order, namely the Order of Order:

The Order of Order creates new gods and order while also maintaining all other order in the world.
Merely disturbing the Order of Order indirectly causes the world to collapse, since disturbing the Order of Order would disturb and destroy all other order in the world.
Destroying the Order of Order would destroy all other order in the world, since all other order in the world can't be maintained/exist without the Order of Order, thus making all other order in the world dependant on the Order of Order.
The Order of Order would be independent of all other order in the world, since it both creates and maintains all other order in the world.
Since it both creates and maintains all other order in the world, it would naturally exist before and after all other order in the world.

Reasons why I think this possibly qualifies as a type 2 concept:

1. Type 3 concepts (normal order) are dependant on the Order of Order, and would be unable to exist in the reality they govern without the Order of Order.
2. I'm uncertain if altering the Order of Order would change all other order in the world (though it's possible), but I'm certain that destroying the Order of Order would destroy all other order in the world (This doesn't happen when destroying any other order in the world).
3. The Order of Order would exist prior to and after the existence of all other order in the world.
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Nousgalia can be type 2 concept since even if all orders cease to exist(which is what Nousgalia represents) he is still be fine because he predates those concepts
 
RamadhanDayYet said:
Like bruh, some people here didn't read the actual reasoning properly ,their focus is on simple reasoning like "concept who embody concept doesn't make it type2" Which is we exactly know that here duh
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Yes, I agree with what you said
Other people are too fixated on the problem of the concept that embodies other concepts.
 
Delta333 said:
Nousgalia can be type 2 concept since even if all orders cease to exist(which is what Nousgalia represents) he is still be fine because he predates those concepts
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I already told you about this..
However, it was flatly rejected just because a concept embodies another concept did not get CM2

who denied his initials "L"

I think.. I've given a pretty good explanation about Order Nougalia getting CM2.
 
Lapsad said:
1. The last section seem reasonable but it maybe can controversial , and need a scans did said that directly.
2. Uncertianty need a scans.
3. Exist predate/prior not gave type 2 , everything12 say it above.
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2. In chapter 186
"God is not afraid. There is no heart or will, and this body is the only order."
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“…You can't destroy me… The order that creates order. If you destroy God the Father, the world will only continue to crumble…”
 
Nousgalia is also referred to as the "pillar of the gods" in LN Volume 4 (I)'s synopsis, which at least somewhat supports the idea that all other order is dependant on his order.
 
Lapsad said:
Exist predate/prior not gave type 2 , everything12 say it above.
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Concept that predates all objects that it represents is type 2 concept lol,for example Dialga is concept of time but it predates time so it’s type 2 concept
 
Delta333 said:
since when I said that Nousgalia is type 2 with that reason?
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Hah? Your reasons and mine are the same...

with that Nousgalia can also get CM2 because the concept (Order Nousgalia) creates a new concept (Order made by Nousgalia) which means, if all orders made by Nousgalia are destroyed, it will have no effect on her.
 
Since this calc has been accepted, who will get scale to this? If I’m right, it’s Jerga, Melheys, and Eugo La Raviaz right?
 
Ian2296 said:
Since this calc has been accepted, who will get scale to this? If I’m right, it’s Jerga, Melheys, and Eugo La Raviaz right?
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It would likely scale to all of the Seven Elder Demon Emperors, and any characters who are comparable to them.
Of the current profiles in the wiki, that would most likely be Misha Necron and Sasha Necron (Pre-Silver Sea), Melheis Boran, Jerga, and Eugo La Raviaz.
 
imZer0Null said:
The concept manip revision is finished?
If so, then I'll post the type 1 concept manip CRT later, since I already have a sandbox for it.
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Great!

I'm really busy now and want to made it later

But then you already had the sandbox

Thank you very much null
 
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