Manga Garou is weaker compared to Webcomic Garou?

[Dunno6988]

Okay is it just me or the latest chpater of one punch manga seems that garou is way weaker than the version of him in the webcomic. Since in the webcomic bullets did not harm him, but in the manga latest chapter (spoilers if you haven't read it yet) he got shot in the leg and was bleeding from it. Since I am not sure which has more piercing power a minigun or a revolver since to me it seems that minigun should have more piecring power. Also sure in the manga he was injured and weakened, but still his skin should be still as tough as before, not like the most common trope that is being used which doesn't make any sense that if they are in good condition not even a sharpest object can pierce it, but if weakened anything sharp would cut it as if it was butter. Your thoughts guys. Is manga version of human Garou is weaker compared to Webcomic version of human Garou.

 

[Amlad22]

He was severely hurt, that's all there is to it. Garou even said before the fight that if he was at full power he'd easily win the fight. His body had taken a massive beating and that's why he was getting hurt so easily. Death Gatling even said at one point that he could "turn him into mincemeat at any moment". So clearly his injuries were holding him back.

 

[Damage3245]

Agreed. Garo is wounded and sick, so he's far from his peak performance.

They also picked a really good combination of close-range and mid-range fighters all working together with surprisingly effective teamwork. Even Garo at this point would struggle against that.

His previous battles were either one on one (Tank-Top Master, Metal Bat), or fighting a group of unorganized, weaker opponents (the Tank-Top group).

Also, bullets did harm Garo in the webcomic. His hands that he presumably used to deflect/redirect the bullets were bloodied.

 

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Garou survived a bike kick from Saitama. It's obvious he is weakened lol.

 

[Amlad22]

I think it's also important to remember that in the OPM verse, bullets can be far more powerful than normal. Just look at when Death Gatling was able to harm the Hundred Eyed Octopus (which has city level durability) with his Gatling gun

 

[Damage3245]

@Amlad22; Death Gatling was only able to harm the Hundred Eye Octopus by hitting its open wounds. The attacks he did to its body didn't even scratch it.

 

[Ryukama]

1. Garou was heavily weakened as people said.

2. Garou under normal circumstances being hurt by regular bullets is clear PIS.

3. Bullets and other weapons in OPM are far more powerful than regular ones like Amlad22 said. A normal bullet could never harm a skyscraper demolishing, Demon Level monster like Hundred-Eyes Octopus. Even by hitting wounds.

 

[Damage3245]

I'm pretty sure the fact that his bullets only causing damage when striking open wounds suggest that the skin of the Hundred-Eyes Octopus is extremely tough, and that the flesh behind the skin is not as tough. Doesn't prove that Death Gatling used normal bullets, of course, but being able to harm a Demon-level threat by hitting its most vulnerable spots isn't solid proof of the other way either.

Gun-Gun's bullets were able to harm Garo (not even incapacitate him, just harm) but didn't cause any notable damage when hitting the roof of the shed. Does the shed have Demon-level durability? Are Shooter's arrows supernatural to be able to pierce Garo too?

We have to remember that this version of Garo was also wounded by Golden's Balls memory bullets earlier in the arc. Garo is tough, that's for sure, but that doesn't necessarily make him bulletproof yet.

 

[Amlad22]

The hero association is able to create weapons far beyond what is considered normal. They literally created a baseball bat that can harm dragon level threats. So creating guns or arrows that can harm city level fighters doesn't surprise me either. Even the speed of said items are above normal. If you look at the recent chapter, Garou had more trouble avoiding Shooter's arrows rather than Gun Gun's revolvers. So that means the hero association can create bow and arrows that fire faster than gun fire.

For things like the shed remaining unharmed after Gun Gun's fire, I would simply take that as the author not paying attention, since the feats shown later in the chapter prove that Gun Gun is well above shed level.

 

[Damage3245]

@Amlad22; you know that Shooter's arrow-rain worked by using gravity? He didn't get above Garo and fire, he literally just shot them straight up and they back down on the spot where Garo was. The reason why Garo struggled with them wasn't because of their speed, but because of how many there were concentrated into one area.

That isn't proof his arrows go faster than bullets.

Metal Bat's bat is indestructible. It doesn't have any other special properties that let him harm Dragon-level monsters. That just comes from his own strength.

The only reason you think Gun-Gun's bullets should be above what they are shown, is because he managed to hit Garo in the leg. But the only reason you don't accept Garo getting hit in the leg by an "ordinary bullet" is because of the webcomic. Looking at only the manga, you can see that Garo has no feats simply shrugging off gunfire. He was even damaged by Golden Balls's memory-shape balls as I stated earlier.

 

[Ryukama]

Again, yeah Hundred-Eye Octopus had wounds. But a regular gun couldn't deal harm to a skyscraper devouring, Demon Level monster's flesh.

"Garou has no feats simply shrugging off gunfire"

Less than gun level Garou, even going by "only the manga" is completely ridiculous. He's fought against Tanktop Master and Metal Bat, which even without powerscaling to Genos or other S-Classes, individually have feats far above simple gunfire. Which means even if he does truly have a legit showing of being weaker than a bullet, it'd be PIS.

Also the fact that again Garou was explicitly weakened at that time. And stated able to stomp these guys at full power.

Garou, even "Manga Garou" is far superior to regular guns. You accuse others that they "don't accept" things when you refuse to accept all of Garou's other feats, the context of the scene and Gatling's feats of his guns being much stronger than regular ones just to support this idea.

 

[Damage3245]

@Ryukama, Garo took multiple hits from Tanktop Master, sure, but he was bloodied and damaged. And he never took a direct hit from Metal Bat so that's not giving him any durability feats.

Garo got stabbed through the hand from Spring Mustachio's sword attack. He got shot in the leg from Golden Ball's memory-shape ball. (Characters much weaker than Tanktop Master). And now he's gotten shot in the leg from Gun-Gun's bullets.

We know that Garo gets monstrously stronger later, with significantly higher durability, but that doesn't mean that he is anywhere near that strong right now.

Yes, he could stomp these guys at full power. That wouldn't necessarily affect his durability though. A bullet shot into his joints when he's at full strength isn't going to be seriously weaker than him being shot when he's tired & sick.

At this point Garo's most notable feat is surviving punches from Tank-Top Master. As impressive as that is, I don't see why that would make it impossible for him to be shot.

 

[Ryukama]

And? Tanktop Master both by powerscaling and feats is far beyond gunfire level. The fact that Garou can survive hits from him shows he's far above gunfire level.

Garou was able to harm Metal Bat with his strikes. Newton's 3rd law scales that to his durability. So Garou can withstand creating forces strong enough to harm Metal Bat, who again by both feats and powerscaling is far superior to simple gunfire. Garou's hands can block attacks from Metal Bat without his limbs exploding. Again, feats that show him far above bullet level.

Garou survives Saitama kicking him through a wall. Which just the crater made in the wall alone being much more powerful than a regular bullet.

And what proof is there that Spring Mustachio and Golden Ball are weaker than a regular bullet?

Because there's already a reason that the shots harmed him. He was explicitly in a weakened state.

So in order for your thing of Garou having bullet level durability to be true, again you have to ignore the fact that he has feats of fighting against City levels. Ignore the fact that even if you don't want to powerscale those guys to City level they on their own have feats far above bullet level. Ignore the fact that Garou survived an attack from Saitama that at bare minimum has to be above bullet level. Ignore the fact that Garou was explicitly weakened when he was shot. And ignore the fact that Gatling's gunfire has shown to be much stronger than regular bullets.

 

[Damage3245]

We're not just talking about Death Galting's gunfire, we're talking about Gun-Gun who actually hit him, and Shooter's arrows that actually him. You could call it PIS, but what Garo tanked earlier was punches. Not bullets or arrows that deal piercing damage. Gun-Gun's bullets and Shooter's arrows haven't been shown to be amazingly above actual bullets and arrows.

Even in the manga Garo's fists were bloody from dealing with Death Gatling's bullets (and I don't buy that Death Gatling's bullets heavily above an actual gatling gun. He explicitly could only deal damage to the Octopuses wounds and he only irritated it.)

My point isn't that they are weaker than regular bullets, but proof that Garo has been hurt by piercing damage.

 

[Ryukama]

1. "Piercing attacks" only take you so far. Garou survives force so immensly above gunfire that even the piercing properties of the bullet can't contemplate harming someone of that durability. All his other feats make the fact that a regular bullet being able to hurt him would be PIS.

2. And again, the mere fact that his gunfire can harm the flesh of a skyscraper devouring Demon Level monster means it is far stronger as a regular bullet.

3. Once more, Garou was explicitly in a weakened state during this fight.

So Garou was weakened when he was hurt by what you say are regular bullets and arrows. And even then he has numerous feats that make such a thing PIS. Garou simply under normal circumstances cannot get hurt by a regular bullet. "Piercing damage" or no.

Does anyone have any questions or comments or is this concluded?

 

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I thought we were just discussing if manga Garou is weaker than comic one. How did this escalate so quickly. Lol

 

[Amlad22]

@Ryukama I think this is concluded, the discussion has been answered multiple times.