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Malaysian Cartoons General Discussion Thread

Energy Projection, Elemental Absorption, Enhanced Senses, Explosion Manipulation, Aura, Flight, Elemental Intangibility (While using Gamma element), Non-Physical Interaction (Should be capable of physically interacting with lightning and photons like BoBoiBoy), Martial Arts, Danmaku, Elemental Intangibility, Radiation Manipulation, Empowerment, Self-Sustenance (Type 1; could survive without air in space). Resistance to Status Effect Inducement, Radiation Manipulation, Elemental Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Sealing and Poison Manipulation

Add this to Retakka's Pre-Sealing key and add thread manipulation to all three of his keys as he is shown to be able to attack BoBoiBoy Blaze with a gamma thread.

Give Hang Kasa, Captain Kaizo, Admiral Tarung and Captain Vargoba self sustenance type 1 and resistance to radiation manipulation as they fought in space before.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Energy Projection, Elemental Absorption, Enhanced Senses, Explosion Manipulation, Aura, Flight, Elemental Intangibility (While using Gamma element), Non-Physical Interaction (Should be capable of physically interacting with lightning and photons like BoBoiBoy), Martial Arts, Danmaku, Elemental Intangibility, Radiation Manipulation, Empowerment, Self-Sustenance (Type 1; could survive without air in space). Resistance to Status Effect Inducement, Radiation Manipulation, Elemental Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Sealing and Poison Manipulation

Add this to Retakka's Pre-Sealing key and add thread manipulation to all three of his keys as he is shown to be able to attack BoBoiBoy Blaze with a gamma thread.

Give Hang Kasa, Captain Kaizo, Admiral Tarung and Captain Vargoba self sustenance type 1 and resistance to radiation manipulation as they fought in space before.
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Sorry, I meant post sealing
 
Greatsage13th said:
Energy Projection, Elemental Absorption, Enhanced Senses, Explosion Manipulation, Aura, Flight, Elemental Intangibility (While using Gamma element), Non-Physical Interaction (Should be capable of physically interacting with lightning and photons like BoBoiBoy), Martial Arts, Danmaku, Elemental Intangibility, Radiation Manipulation, Empowerment, Self-Sustenance (Type 1; could survive without air in space). Resistance to Status Effect Inducement, Radiation Manipulation, Elemental Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Sealing and Poison Manipulation

Add this to Retakka's Pre-Sealing key and add thread manipulation to all three of his keys as he is shown to be able to attack BoBoiBoy Blaze with a gamma thread.

Give Hang Kasa, Captain Kaizo, Admiral Tarung and Captain Vargoba self sustenance type 1 and resistance to radiation manipulation as they fought in space before.
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I've added this
 
Greatsage13th said:
So, BoBoiBoy upscales from 6C to High 6C or is it BoBoiBoy got to High 6C by a 2X multiplier with fusions?
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From what I know, BBB Solar upscales to baseline High 6-C since he's the most powerful of the elements. The fusions unquantifiably upscale from Retak'ka's transformations, who unquantifiably upscale from his weakened post-sealing / base form, who scales from BBB Solar

So BBB's fusions are basically far beyond baseline High 6-C by an unknown amount
 
It's assumed to be at least 2 times the regular elementals. As they generate far more powerful than adding 2 elementals together. Hence why BoBoiBoy Frostfire could keep up with Retakka Crystal in their fights while everyone else got absolutely curbstomped or overpowered eventually.
 
Greatsage13th said:
It's assumed to be at least 2 times the regular elementals. As they generate far more powerful than adding 2 elementals together. Hence why BoBoiBoy Frostfire could keep up with Retakka Crystal in their fights while everyone else got absolutely curbstomped or overpowered eventually.
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Using multipliers needs to come from direct statements. Just because two elements fuse together and become more powerful doesn't necessarily mean they are 2x the base elements
Multipliers come from direct statements instead of being reasoned from something else. That means, for example, that if a verse has powerlevels or statistics, the doubling of a statistic or power level should not be concluded to correspond to the power of the character doubling, unless it is clearly specified to work that way.
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MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
Using multipliers needs to come from direct statements. Just because two elements fuse together and become more powerful doesn't necessarily mean they are 2x the base elements
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I mean, you're not wrong but why a combo of 5 elements can't beat 1 element while 2 elements fusing could beat that 1 element. You can't really say that the 5 elements are weaker than 2 elements used in the fusion. Also Retakka by that point absorbed elemental energies on a planetary scale on Planet Rimbara, Bayugan and the planet with a planetary thunderstorm.
 
Greatsage13th said:
I mean, you're not wrong but why a combo of 5 elements can't beat 1 element while 2 elements fusing could beat that 1 element. You can't really say that the 5 elements are weaker than 2 elements used in the fusion.
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Retak'ka noted that splitting makes the elements weaker. By how much is unknown, but the fact that he points is out to BBB implies that the difference is significant.
Greatsage13th said:
Also Retakka by that point absorbed elemental energies on a planetary scale on Planet Rimbara, Bayugan and the planet with a planetary thunderstorm.
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True, but absorbing those elemental energies only enhances the powers of Voltra, Tempest and Darkwood. What BBB Frostfire fought was Retak'ka Crystal, who hadn't absorbed any further elemental energies yet
 
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
Retak'ka noted that splitting makes the elements weaker. By how much is unknown, but the fact that he points is out to BBB implies that the difference is significant.

True, but absorbing those elemental energies only enhances the powers of Voltra, Tempest and Darkwood. What BBB Frostfire fought was Retak'ka Crystal, who hadn't absorbed any further elemental energies yet
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I agree but, I wouldn't say he's 5 times weaker just by splitting into 5 elements.

Tier 3 elements are comparable to each other, are they not?
 
Greatsage13th said:
I agree but, I wouldn't say he's 5 times weaker just by splitting into 5 elements.
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Same here, but at the same time, Retak'ka wasn't getting comboed by all 5 at once. The fight began with Cyclone disorientating him, Thorn restraining him and Thunderstorm properly attacking him. Retak'ka broke out, then was being crushed by Quake's golem before being blasted by Solar. The only elements that were doing AP damage to him were Solar, Thunderstorm and Quake, but even his golem attack was more LS than AP
Greatsage13th said:
Tier 3 elements are comparable to each other, are they not?
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Not necessarily
 
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
Same here, but at the same time, Retak'ka wasn't getting comboed by all 5 at once. The fight began with Cyclone disorientating him, Thorn restraining him and Thunderstorm properly attacking him. Retak'ka broke out, then was being crushed by Quake's golem before being blasted by Solar. The only elements that were doing AP damage to him were Solar, Thunderstorm and Quake, but even his golem attack was more LS than AP

Not necessarily
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Alright

If they aren't comparable how did Hang Kasa managed to go toe to toe with Retakka in their fight a 100 years ago?
 
Greatsage13th said:
If they aren't comparable how did Hang Kasa managed to go toe to toe with Retakka in their fight a 100 years ago?
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Hang Kasa was the one to receive the element first, thus had more training and experience with it. Retak'ka only just received it by the time he fought BBB

Plus, like you said Retak'ka Voltra, Tempest and Darkwood were enhanced by elemental energies from one planet each, 100 years after their fight
 
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
Hang Kasa was the one to receive the element first, thus had more training and experience with it. Retak'ka only just received it by the time he fought BBB

Plus, like you said Retak'ka Voltra, Tempest and Darkwood were enhanced by elemental energies from one planet each, 100 years after their fight
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Yes

Yes, but after BoBoiBoy siphoned the crystal element from Retakka with Ochobot, somehow Retakka Voltra could get damaged by Yaya and got knocked out of it by Fang using tier 2 dragon fusion. Very odd.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Yes

Yes, but after BoBoiBoy siphoned the crystal element from Retakka with Ochobot, somehow Retakka Voltra could get damaged by Yaya and got knocked out of it by Fang using tier 2 dragon fusion. Very odd.
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I honestly think that part is just complete PIS. Either that or:
  1. Yaya has a rage amp to protect BBB
  2. Fang's T2 dragon transformation is exceptionally powerful
  3. Retak'ka's element enhancement isn't that much
 
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MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
I honestly think that part is PIS. Either that or:
  1. Yaya has a rage amp to protect BBB
  2. Fang's T2 dragon transformation is exceptionally powerful
  3. Retak'ka's element enhancement isn't that much
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1.possibly
2.compared to other shadow entities that Fang used dragon is portrayed as the strongest one compared to the rest.
3.or he's weakened from several of BoBoiBoy's Frostfire's punches and kicks earlier.
 
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