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Making Smash Bros profiles

No. I don't think that's what's being discussed here.

I think we are agreeing on HIgh 6-A, maybe Low 2-C when buffed by spirits. The latter might not be getting in.
 
I love that Piranha Plant with Arceus' soul is just going to be a thing that's going to exist. Also G&W vs Bill Cipher is going to be possible and that excites me.
 
If they are the same characters and their difference is an experience. It can be a key.
 
Kid Icarus and Kirby, while they canonically acknowledge Smash Bros, don't have it canon to their franchise. We don't scale crossovers to the main canon.
 
Smash has been referenced in Kid Icarus before. Palutena called it "Super Bash Sisters", while Pit corrects her and says the proper title "Super Smash Brothers". And in the Dark Pit Palutena's Guidance, Palutena asks where Dark Pit went after the fight with Hades.

It also remembers how Mario was Pit's first ally in Subspace. By the crossover rules, shouldn't it be canon since it's referenced once in each continutity?
 
Not really knowledgeable about SSB, but aren't characters there supposed to be sentient trophies that represent game characters and not the characters themselves.
 
References to other franchises and fourth wall break =/= canonical link, especially since Smash being canon to any of the franchises doesn't make any sense.
 
I don't understand how. We never learns what happens to Dark Pit until Palutena's Guidence, where Palutena directly references the storyline of the source game. Pit does the same too, saying that he's fought Palutena before. Virdi also does it, saying that Pit beat Medusa. All of this was a direct reference to KI's storyline.

I'm not saying all fourth wall breaks = canon tie, but when it happens multiple times from both games, and references the storyline of the other game, how doesn't it make sense?
 
If Smash is canon, that honestly would get in the way of making Smash profiles because it would make the scaling much more convoluted and messy.

If it is its own, entirely separate continuity, then I'm all for making profiles for the Smash versions.
 
I'd be fine with KI being canon to Smash. Especially since there's a lot of KI lore only in Smash (Dark Pit after Uprising, Palutena having a true form that Humans can't precieve, etc...). It would also mean High 6-A Kid Icarus meaning Dark Pit vs Shadow would be real.
 
Yeah, Kid Icarus does have quite a few connections to Smash Bros; also includes Palutena mentioning "Super Bash Sisters" in Uprising, which Pit corrects her as Smash Bros. Kid Icarus is also known for referencing other Nintendo verses and Viridi confirming Metroid for example as not being canon to KI.

Pit's own Island level+ and Massively FTL+ feats also seem consistent and solid to other Smash feats, so other good Smash feats scaling to Pit, Hades and the others also seems legit.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Yeah, Kid Icarus does have quite a few connections to Smash Bros; also includes Palutena mentioning "Super Bash Sisters" in Uprising, which Pit corrects her as Smash Bros. Kid Icarus is also known for referencing other Nintendo verses and Viridi confirming Metroid for example as not being canon to KI.
Pit's own Island level+ and Massively FTL+ feats also seem consistent and solid to other Smash feats, so other good Smash feats scaling to Pit, Hades and the others also seems legit.
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Also, I think Pit's profile needs to be revised. I've found several feats that are missed on his profile. But I don't think it should be discussed here.
 
@Milly Could you post them on a CRT (or my Message Wall so I can see what they are like and I'll go from there)

Either way, we aren't scaling Smash to Kid Icarus if we decide to allow this.
 
Y'all taking fourth wall break and trying to force them into the plot of a series that doesn't support this as canonical at all.
 
No, that's not what I'm saying. If one verse references a crossover game, and the crossover game references the individual verse, even mentioning the story of said individual verse, what makes it non-canon?

From your rules, that should be canon. As for Kirby references Smash, well, again, from your rules, wouldn't that just be a one-sided crossover?

There are multiple instances of Kid Icarus's story in Smash, and Kid Icarus recognizing Smash.
 
Kirby literally has a canon ability called Smash Bros and canonically beat up Master Hand.
 
The Smashers consistently beat MH, CH, Tabuu, MC, Galeem, and Dharkon.

If we want to treat any of the former as normally Low 2-C we have to give that rating to all the Smashers.
 
I mean, literally all brawl sonic did was cripple Tabuu. For him it technically isn't an outlier due to having nothing else to scale him down with.

Aren't those going to 3-A though?
 
Maybe. I stopped following the thread. But it's not an outlier when every being they fight they end up beating.
 
Sonic was in a cutscene though, and beating the dudes canonically happened.

We just didn't scale to them last time and I don't remember why. Think it was because having the creators of the universe being beat by their creations is weird or something./
 
Weird? Sure. But it always happens, which is why the "god tiers" being called that at all (aside from Full Power Galeem) is a bit suspect since everyone is more or less on the same playing field.
 
Yeah, but we dropped MH being the creator of the universe or having any actual feats from the N64 Intro thingy.

I'm still on the boat of either:

1. Keeping the god tiers Low 2-C/3-A and scaling the smashers to them

2. Keeping the god tiers Low 2-C/3-A and only scaling the spirits-empowered Smashers to them (as it is more consistent)

3. Removing Low 2-C/3-A and just scaling the god tiers to the Smashers
 
@Saikou

Only problem with option 2 is that the spirit-empowered instantly get wiped by full power Galeem if they choose to defeat Dharkon.

Full power Galeem is totally 3-A but he shouldn't scale to anyone.
 
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