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I feel like they'd actually be at least slightly above the smashers, they all have reasons not to be fighting them at full power.
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@Assalt Except that Galeem's attack is hax in how it affects enemies. It was able to practically one-shot Dharkon, disintegrating it like with the Smashers.
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Well when it kills Dharkon it is after the fighters beat it around a while. It doesn't necessarily need to be a thing that scales to its own durability in the first place.
Also doesn't Dharkon have a similar universal takeover thing in its bad ending?
Also doesn't Dharkon have a similar universal takeover thing in its bad ending?
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Just pointing this out. I'm not alone there.Matthew Schroeder said:
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Being beaten around a bit doesn't suddenly make you vulnerable to disintegration from attacks you took with no efforts previously. Also the beams used are pretty clearly the same ones used by Galeem to kill everyone.
Yes Dharkon did it, but it wasn't shown one-shotting the Smashers by sheer AP.
Yes Dharkon did it, but it wasn't shown one-shotting the Smashers by sheer AP.
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@Wokistan
Yeah, Dharkon is massively wounded by the Smashers before Galeem unleashes his attack.
But no, Dharkon has no such universal vaporization. Dharkon shrouds the planet in darkness if he wins.
@Saikou
I don't think vaporizing people is hax. Trapping their spirits? Yes, that's hax, but he vaporizes entire planets.
Yeah, Dharkon is massively wounded by the Smashers before Galeem unleashes his attack.
But no, Dharkon has no such universal vaporization. Dharkon shrouds the planet in darkness if he wins.
@Saikou
I don't think vaporizing people is hax. Trapping their spirits? Yes, that's hax, but he vaporizes entire planets.
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The real cal howard said:
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@Saikou
Having all of your energy drained from fighting would absolutely let him be harmed by something he was previously above. Almost all fiction goes by this, but the best example is Goku from DBZ. When he isn't utilizing his energy he is a lot less durable, and if that energy is drained he can now be hurt by what he previously couldn't be.
Having all of your energy drained from fighting would absolutely let him be harmed by something he was previously above. Almost all fiction goes by this, but the best example is Goku from DBZ. When he isn't utilizing his energy he is a lot less durable, and if that energy is drained he can now be hurt by what he previously couldn't be.
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I seriously hate to be that guy since this has been discussed multiple times, but given how the smash fighters defeat Multiple master hands and crazy hands, and then Galeem and Dharkon at the same time, after having beaten them multiple times. Are we still calling it an outlier? This isn't me trying to make a statement I just want to be sure. Since that's a lot of feats just being ignored. If that's what's been agreed upon then I won't continue with it.
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Doesn't matter anyways since MH and CH are probably going to be downgraded anyway.
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I've been waiting on this decision for a while now. Have we reached a consensus?
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MH and CH haven't been downgraded so yeah.
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We keep going pretty back and forth with this whole Master Hand being Low 2-C thing. We've already had multiple heated discussions in the past.
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He's >>> a baseline Low 2-C. No clue how that isn't Low 2-C.
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Not to drag a skeletal horse from it's collapsed off underwater cave grave and beat it even further, but what is the final verdict here?
Is Master Hand 2-C?
Are the Smashers 3-A/-2-C?
Is Master Hand 2-C?
Are the Smashers 3-A/-2-C?
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Let's put this way, if Dialga's Tier 2's Trophy feat, isn't use as scaling, for now, no one would be Low 2-C or higher. Assuming, the 3-A is used for scaling; it could become Low 2-C in the future.
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I thought we already determined that we cannot scale the trophies to the smashers?
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Low 2-C came from Trophies scaling Dialga though and are still on the God Tier profile. Ex: Master HandArbitraryNumbers said:
- At least Universe level+ (Treats his versions of Arceus and the Creation Trio as toys, such as Dialga, who "is said to have set time in motion at the moment of its birth"/its "birth caused time to begin moving", and Arceus who "created the world and the sky")
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That's what I'm talking about. I thought we ruled that out as a possibility many months ago.
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Why? It makes logical sense for Master Hand to be stronger then or at LEAST equal to Dialga. Spirit stats, while not 100% accurate, likely give us a good idea of who's on what level. Dialga and Master Hand are both Ace spirits, while Master Core is a Legend Spirit. Even if you ignore the toy thing, MH is still Low 2-C.
