MAKE ASMODAY STRONGER (GENSHIN IMPACT)

[Furina003]

Asmoday’s Abilities (Rules of Space)
Asmoday is the creator of the Temple of Space. All entities such as Dex, Nihility, and Melancholy are creations of Asmoday, meaning that all of their abilities directly scale with and depend on Asmoday own power.

Spoiler: Asmoday Ability

Dimensional Manipulation, Immersion, and Subjective Reality
Asmoday is capable of directly manipulating dimensions. For example, the Traveler, a three-dimensional being, can be transformed into a two-dimensional entity, allowing them to enter a two-dimensional world. Paimon explicitly refers to this phenomenon as dimensional manipulation. Additionally, this ability allows Asmoday to turn paintings into reality, or revert reality back into paintings.

Causality Manipulation & Reality Warping
Melanta is able to alter reality by changing the contents of a book.
When the Traveler enters the world within the book and successfully changes its ending, the reality inside the Temple of Space returns to its original state. This demonstrates control over causality as well as a narrative-based structure of reality.

Transmutation And Sand Manipulation
Several guardians within the Temple of Space demonstrate transmutation abilities, such as turning humans into sand and Dex can seize objects made from quicksand

Deconstruction
show in here

Vector Manipulation
can see in here, here and here)

Telekinesis
Asmoday also has telekinetic abilities, shown through direct control over Cube without physical contact.

Higher Void Manipulation & Possibility Logic Manipulation
Asmoday has the ability to weave reality and emptiness into one another.
The Temple of Space is a realm created by Asmoday, consisting of layered spaces of “nothingness.” (see in here). The deeper one goes, the closer they get to the “Palace of Existence that is neither being nor non-being.” This indicates that the structure of this space transcends the logic of existence and non-existence, existing between the two. Therefore, it qualifies as higher-level void manipulation (as the creator of such a space) and logic manipulation, as it violates the conventional system of existence and non-existence by existing in between.

Non-Existent Physiology (NEP) Type 1 – Likely Type 2 (Aspect 3)
Asmoday, as the Lord of Emptiness, does not possess a physical or mental form in the conventional sense.
Furthermore, she created a palace whose existence is “neither being nor non-being,” which serves as her domain within the Temple of Space. also explained when we want to go to the hall “neither being nor non-being", we have to pass through the corridor of nothingness . because this Space is what separates Hall of Emptiness from the hall “neither being nor non-being".
So, in short, the corridor of nothingness separates the reality in the Temple of Space from the space of the Watchers, meaning that this space truly exists between existence and non-existence. That's why they had to sacrifice their memories to become a ladder to heaven. From this explanation, we can conclude that the hall of "neither being nor non-being" has a condition that has beyond conventional nonexistence.
Based on this standard, the space can be categorized as NEP Type 2. Asmoday can fully operate within it because she is both its creator and ruler.

Immunity to Empathic Manipulation
Asmoday lacks empathy, making her immune to any form of emotional or empathic manipulation.

Immortality Type 5 (Shades)
All Shades possess Type 5 immortality as they transcend the life and death.
This is evidenced by the Temple of Space, which lacks the of life and death entirely. Therefore, entities within it cannot truly die in the conventional sense.

Restoration
The Temple of space forbids evolution and innovation. Any form of change or development is passively reverted back to its original state. Melanta can also return everything to its original form

Perception Manipulation
Nihilita Can Change a Person Perception of Time

BFR
can move someone to the temple of space

Memory Manipulation.
If someone wants to leave the Temple of Space and go the mortal realm, all of their memories, everything they know, have to be erased or give it up. And that process was by meeting Asmoday in the past, but now it's Melanta, which is Asmoday's creation.

Creation
Asmoday is the creator of the Temple of Space. All entities such as Dex, Nihility, and Melancholy are creations of Asmoday.

Staff Vote
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Crt's out faster than i thought.

 

[Furina003]

Crt's out faster than i thought.

hehehe, give your input my friend

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

hehehe, give your input my friend

No, i cannot. Possibly after some hrs or more.

 

[Furina003]

No, i cannot. Possibly after some hrs or more.

it is okay

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Dimensional Manipulation is a no no

Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the dimensions that aren't limited to just three-dimensional space.

 

[MSahla]

Dimensional Manipulation, Immersion, and Subjective Reality
Asmoday is capable of directly manipulating dimensions. For example, the Traveler, a three-dimensional being, can be transformed into a two-dimensional entity, allowing them to enter a two-dimensional world. Paimon explicitly refers to this phenomenon as dimensional manipulation. Additionally, this ability allows Asmoday to turn paintings into reality, or revert reality back into paintings.

Fine

Causality Manipulation & Reality Warping
Melanta is able to alter reality by changing the contents of a book.
When the Traveler enters the world within the book and successfully changes its ending, the reality inside the Temple of Space returns to its original state. This demonstrates control over causality as well as a narrative-based structure of reality.

Idk about this one. Just neutral for now.

Deconstruction
show in here

I don't think this is Deconstruction. Like she was just trapped him.

Vector Manipulation
can see in here, here and here)

Ok

Higher Void Manipulation & Possibility Logic Manipulation
Asmoday has the ability to wave reality and emptiness.
The Temple of Space is a realm created by Asmoday, consisting of layered spaces of “nothingness.” (see in here). The deeper one goes, the closer they get to the “Palace of Existence that is neither being nor non-being.” This indicates that the structure of this space transcends the logic of existence and non-existence, existing between the two. Therefore, it qualifies as higher-level void manipulation (as the creator of such a space) and logic manipulation, as it violates the conventional system of existence vs. non-existence by existing in between.

Neutral for the Logic Manip part. The Void Manip should scale to the other Shades as Istoria said Gods in plural

Non-Existent Physiology (NEP) Type 1 – Likely Type 2 (Aspect 3)
Asmoday, as the Lord of Emptiness, does not possess a physical or mental form in the conventional sense.
Furthermore, she created a palace whose existence is “neither being nor non-being,” which serves as her domain within the Temple of Space. also explained when we want to go to the hall “neither being nor non-being", we have to pass through the corridor of nothingness . because this Space is what separates Hall of Emptiness from the hall “neither being nor non-being".
So, in short, the corridor of nothingness separates the reality in the Temple of Space from the space of the Watchers, meaning that this space truly exists between existence and non-existence. That's why they had to sacrifice their memories to become a ladder to heaven. From this explanation, we can conclude that the hall of "neither being nor non-being" has a condition that has beyond conventional nonexistence.
Based on this standard, the space can be categorized as NEP Type 2. Asmoday can fully operate within it because she is both its creator and ruler.

Neutral, but i'm leaning towards agreeing.

Immunity to Empathic Manipulation
Asmoday lacks empathy, making her immune to any form of emotional or empathic manipulation.

Neutral

Immortality Type 5 (Shades)
All Shades possess Type 5 immortality as they transcend the life and death.
This is evidenced by the Temple of Space, which lacks the of life and death entirely. Therefore, entities within it cannot truly die in the conventional sense.

Yeah

Perception Manipulation
Nihilita Can Change a Person Perception of Time

BFR
can move someone to the temple of space

Okay.

 

[Furina003]

Dimensional Manipulation is a no no

what do you mean?

Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the dimensions that aren't limited to just three-dimensional space. Its possible applications include being able to warp the dimensionality of a target to a higher or lower dimension, being capable of phasing someone in and out of existence by changing their positions in other dimensions, affecting a target by making it exist in more than one plane, among many other abilities.

 

[MSahla]

Dimensional Manipulation is a no no

??

Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the dimensions that aren't limited to just three-dimensional space. Its possible applications include being able to warp the dimensionality of a target to a higher or lower dimension, being capable of phasing someone in and out of existence by changing their positions in other dimensions, affecting a target by making it exist in more than one plane, among many other abilities.

 

[Furina003]

Neutral for the Logic Manip part. The Void Manip should scale to the other Shades as Istoria said Gods in plural

if that can be agreed upon, i'm fine

 

[MSahla]

This is evidenced by the Temple of Space, which lacks the of life and death entirely. Therefore, entities within it cannot truly die in the conventional sense

Could've just use this statements for the scan

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

??

what do you mean?

It would be dimensional manipulation if the dimensions being manipulated weren’t 3D and lower.

 

[MSahla]

It would be dimensional manipulation if the dimensions being manipulated weren’t 3D and lower.

I think you misunderstood that. Because, it basically says it's not limited to 3-D space only, but higher or lower. That's exactly what it says.

Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the dimensions that aren't limited to just three-dimensional space. Its possible applications include being able to warp the dimensionality of a target to a higher or lower dimension, being capable of phasing someone in and out of existence by changing their positions in other dimensions, affecting a target by making it exist in more than one plane, among many other abilities.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I think you misunderstood that. Because, it basically says it's not limited to 3-D space only, but higher or lower. That's exactly what it says.

Not really. As far as I can see from the scan, if no higher dimensions are involved in the dimensional manipulation, then it doesn’t qualify. For example, a character capable of upgrading a 3D being into 4D or higher dimensions would qualify; the same goes for one who can downgrade a 4D (or much higher-dimensional) being into 3D. This does not apply to downgrading a 3D being into 2D or upgrading from 2D to 3D. So, in other words, those possible applications only apply if higher dimensions are involved.

 

[Furina003]

It would be dimensional manipulation if the dimensions being manipulated weren’t 3D and lower.

No, as long as it changes a person's dimension to a higher or lower one, it can be categorized as dimensional manipulation.

That's why it's said that abilities aren't limited to 3D objects.

Because it applies to everything. For example, if we could elevate someone's existence to 5D or lower it to 1D, that would also be dimensional manipulation.

 

[AsterReal]

I agree with Sahl’s view.

 

[AsterReal]

Not really. As far as I can see from the scan, if no higher dimensions are involved in the dimensional manipulation, then it doesn’t qualify. For example, a character capable of upgrading a 3D being into 4D or higher dimensions would qualify; the same goes for one who can downgrade a 4D (or much higher-dimensional) being into 3D. This does not apply to downgrading a 3D being into 2D or upgrading from 2D to 3D. So, in other words, those possible applications only apply if higher dimensions are involved.

Bill Cipher possesses Dimensional Manipulation because he became a 3-D being following a 'multidimensional' transformation and because he brings video game characters into reality. In fact, the page simply states 'he is not limited to manipulating 3-D objects', not that manipulating 3-D objects or lower-dimensional ones doesn't count.

 

[MSahla]

Not really. As far as I can see from the scan, if no higher dimensions are involved in the dimensional manipulation, then it doesn’t qualify. For example, a character capable of upgrading a 3D being into 4D or higher dimensions would qualify; the same goes for one who can downgrade a 4D (or much higher-dimensional) being into 3D. This does not apply to downgrading a 3D being into 2D or upgrading from 2D to 3D. So, in other words, those possible applications only apply if higher dimensions are involved.

But it was never specified that higher dimensionals (more than 3-D) HAS to be involved, because the standard clearly said what i said. And turning 3-D people into 2-D and vice versa are still dimensional manipulation because.. Duh? You changing the dimensional of people.

Some staffs gotta see this.

 

[AsterReal]

An example similar to the dimensional actions of the Asmoday Authority is, as I mentioned earlier, the actions of Bill Cipher:

"Originally came from the 2nd dimension, which he described as a flat world. Liberated and destroyed said dimension with every 2-Dimensional being in it. Later Bill ascended to the higher dimension and took Nightmare Realm as his new dimension and home. This is supported by Bill describing gaining a Higher-Dimensional physical form as "a multi-dimensional makeover". Brought video game characters such as Rumble McSkirmish into the real world."

Given that it is no different from what Asmoday’s power does, I see no reason to deny the Goddess of Space this ability.

 

[Exoko]

Not really. As far as I can see from the scan, if no higher dimensions are involved in the dimensional manipulation, then it doesn’t qualify. For example, a character capable of upgrading a 3D being into 4D or higher dimensions would qualify; the same goes for one who can downgrade a 4D (or much higher-dimensional) being into 3D. This does not apply to downgrading a 3D being into 2D or upgrading from 2D to 3D. So, in other words, those possible applications only apply if higher dimensions are involved.

That was how it used to be when ‘higher’ was before the name, since this thread it includes 2D stuff, also it was renamed here.

 

[MSahla]

Snip

Another thing i wanted to add is Memory Manipulation. If someone wants to leave the Temple of Space and go the mortal realm, all of their memories, everything they know, have to be erased or give it up. And that process was by meeting Asmoday in the past, but now it's Melanta, which is Asmoday's creation.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Disagree w dimensional manipulation
Everything else im neutral on.

 

[MSahla]

Another thing i wanted to add is Memory Manipulation. If someone wants to leave the Temple of Space and go the mortal realm, all of their memories, everything they know, have to be erased or give it up. And that process was by meeting Asmoday in the past, but now it's Melanta, which is Asmoday's creation.

And you should add “Creation” too because Asmoday created Nihilita the Nothingness and Melanta the Melancholy.

 

[AsterReal]

And you should add “Creation” too because Asmoday created Nihilita the Nothingness and Melanta the Melancholy.

And to the temple of space.

 

[Furina003]

Disagree w dimensional manipulation
Everything else im neutral on.

okay, i'll just wait for the staff, because i think it could be

 

[MSahla]

And to the temple of space.

That would be Pocket Reality Manip, and she already has it. So it's just more justification.

 

[Furina003]

Another thing i wanted to add is Memory Manipulation. If someone wants to leave the Temple of Space and go the mortal realm, all of their memories, everything they know, have to be erased or give it up. And that process was by meeting Asmoday in the past, but now it's Melanta, which is Asmoday's creation.

And you should add “Creation” too because Asmoday created Nihilita the Nothingness and Melanta the Melancholy.

Seem fine , i think

 

[Voidnether]

I disagree with Dimensional Manipulation, Immersion and Subjective Reality altogether. That's just Dimensional Travel, also how is that even Causality Manipulation when it's just Reality Warping at best. Nothing about those remotely implies a form of Causality Manipulation. It's also a no for the Deconstruction part since that's just Sealing at best, it's just Transmutation as Sand Manipulation would require the user to manipulate sand entirely which is not the case there. I don't even have to explain why it's not Void Manipulation, Logic Manipulation or if it's NEP (especially said NEP applying to Asmoday when she's shown to be corporeal all the time). It's just Pocket Reality Manipulation, Immunity to Empathic Manipulation is out of context because the later paragraph stated she's powerless against the futility of humanity. Nothing about the Temple of Space lacks life nor death so Immortality (Type 5) is only a possibly here, even then I'm still unsure. Don't think I have a problem with the rest but Causality Manipulation is definitely a stretch here when nothing in the scan implies that as this could simply still be done with basic RW.

 

[MSahla]

I disagree with Dimensional Manipulation, Immersion and Subjective Reality altogether. That's just Dimensional Travel, also how is that even Causality Manipulation when it's just Reality Warping at best. Nothing about those remotely implies a form of Causality Manipulation. It's also a no for the Deconstruction part since that's just Sealing at best, it's just Transmutation as Sand Manipulation would require the user to manipulate sand entirely which is not the case there. I don't even have to explain why it's not Void Manipulation, Logic Manipulation or if it's NEP (especially said NEP applying to Asmoday when she's shown to be corporeal all the time). It's just Pocket Reality Manipulation, Immunity to Empathic Manipulation is out of context because the later paragraph stated she's powerless against the futility of humanity. Nothing about the Temple of Space lacks life nor death so Immortality (Type 5) is only a possibly here, even then I'm still unsure. Don't think I have a problem with the rest but Causality Manipulation is definitely a stretch here when nothing in the scan implies that as this could simply still be done with basic RW.

Get used to using paragraph by paragraph, buddy. What are u doing with this long ass essay.

 

[Voidnether]

Get used to using paragraph by paragraph, buddy. What are u doing with this long ass essay.

187 words and bro said it's a long ass essay

 

[MSahla]

187 words and bro said it's a long ass essay

Yeah, at least just do something like mine cause that's like the only right thing to evaluate something like this.

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah, at least just do something like mine cause that's like the only right thing to evaluate something like this.

I'm lazy quoting it back and forth tbh

 

[AsterReal]

In any case, simply turning up and saying "that's not how it is" isn't particularly helpful in the discussion.

 

[Voidnether]

In any case, simply turning up and saying "that's not how it is" isn't particularly helpful in the discussion.

Quote which part because I never said this

 

[Furina003]

I disagree with Dimensional Manipulation, Immersion and Subjective Reality altogether. That's just Dimensional Travel,

I'm even confused how you can consider that a travel dimension

also how is that even Causality Manipulation when it's just Reality Warping at best. Nothing about those remotely implies a form of Causality Manipulation.

they changed it using the narrative of a book, this is clearly related to causality, I even thought this was plot manipulation, because it was explicitly explained that they changed reality by changing the storyline in the book

It's also a no for the Deconstruction part since that's just Sealing at best, it's just

no really, she crushed the traveler body into small cubes and sealed them inside

Transmutation as Sand Manipulation would require the user to manipulate sand entirely which is not the case there.

She uses sand to form objects

I don't even have to explain why it's not Void Manipulation, Logic Manipulation or if it's NEP (especially said NEP applying to Asmoday when she's shown to be corporeal all the time).

"looking corporeal" doesn't mean corporeal, yeah all nep users are like that. obviously she is said to have no form because he is present as the lord of emptiness

It's just Pocket Reality Manipulation,

???

Immunity to Empathic Manipulation is out of context because the later paragraph stated she's powerless against the futility of humanity.

yeah, because she has no empathy

Nothing about the Temple of Space lacks life nor death so Immortality (Type 5) is only a possibly here,

not sure, i think it be clear

even then I'm still unsure. Don't think I have a problem with the rest but Causality Manipulation is definitely a stretch here when nothing in the scan implies that as this could simply still be done with basic RW.

Ok

 

[MSahla]

BFR
can move someone to the temple of space

This should be Dimensional BFR.

 

[AsterReal]

If I focus solely on the absence of life and death within the Temple of Space, it is explicitly stated that there is a rule preventing anyone from dying. The Four Shades themselves transcend the boundaries of life and death. In any case, Type 5 Immortality may be interpreted as limited (not applicable in combat) for those within the Temple of Space, but not for the Four Shades.

Incidentally, the existence of that rule provides further justification for Asmoday's Law Manipulation.

 

[Voidnether]

I'm even confused how you can consider that a travel dimension

they changed it using the narrative of a book, this is clearly related to causality, I even thought this was plot manipulation, because it was explicitly explained that they changed reality by changing the storyline in the book

no really, she crushed the traveler body into small cubes and sealed them inside

She uses sand to form objects

"looking corporeal" doesn't mean corporeal, yeah all nep users are like that. obviously she is said to have no form because he is present as the lord of emptiness

???

yeah, because she has no empathy

not sure, i think it be clear

Ok

Because it's not Dimensional Manipulation per what @Grabbing_dragon said.

Unless it explicitly mentions causality, it could still be done with basic Reality Warping, you'd have to prove Asmoday is metafictional for Plot Manipulation anyway.

That's just Sealing really, Asmoday didn't really "crush" the Traveler because that'd imply she could resurrect the Traveler back.

Seizing sand in this context isn't really Sand Manipulation, since it's done through technological means which is just Technology Manipulation.

Not really, Abyss having NEP1 is not only because they're non existent, but that they don't have any form and the Sinners aren't because they explicitly still have their corporeal forms.

I really don't have to explain why it's just Pocket Reality Manipulation here, fr. Especially not Logic Manipulation, you'd have to violate one of the three laws of thought for that explicitly.

No? It's just the people's perspective to Asmoday, because she was deemed powerless against the futility of humanity because of Heavenly Principles. Think about it like the other Shades who weren't able to help humanity because they'd violate the rules.

Nothing in the scans say Temple of Space lacks life nor death from what you quoted.

 

[Voidnether]

If I focus solely on the absence of life and death within the Temple of Space, it is explicitly stated that there is a rule preventing anyone from dying. The Four Shades themselves transcend the boundaries of life and death. In any case, Type 5 Immortality may be interpreted as limited (not applicable in combat) for those within the Temple of Space, but not for the Four Shades.

Incidentally, the existence of that rule provides further justification for Asmoday's Law Manipulation.

If this is the case, it's actually just Immortality (Type 8) within Temple of Space and not Immortality (Type 5). Similar to how Dreamscape works when the protection of Ena is still around back in Penacony. This one too falls under Law Manipulation since that's what the Path of Order is, so yeah.

 

[AsterReal]

If this is the case, it's actually just Immortality (Type 8) within Temple of Space and not Immortality (Type 5). Similar to how Dreamscape works when the protection of Ena is still around back in Penacony.

The rule prevents him from dying, not from coming back from the dead. To the extent that one cannot simply take one’s own life.