Magic Book downgrade

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The Magic Book (Spongebob Squarepants) being Tier 2 at all is based on a statement made by Bubbles the Dolphin in this scene, but after further inspection that interpretation is inflated and the taken out of context.

The context is as follows:

You see, someone is using the last Page from a Magic Book to make weird things happen! (...) Find the last page and pick up any other Pages like this one before reality as we know it ceases to exist!
	~ Bubbles​

This seems to imply complete universal annihilation at a glance, but the context of the game doesn't support this. Throughout the game, the Page creates several absurd or "weird" situations, and there are no signs that the entire universe is facing imminent Destruction. Based on that, Bubbles stating "Reality as we know it will cease to exist" simply refers to Bikini Bottom being warped beyond recognition as opposed to the entire universe being destroyed.

On another note, "reality" doesn't automatically mean universe. It can also mean "the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to fantasy", which coincides with the actual context of the game.

New Tier
Unknow (Does not focus on raw destructive power)

Range: Unknown, at least Galactic (Bubbles the Dolphin, the protector of the galaxy, recognizes it as a threat.)

Stances
Agree: 8 (ShadowWarrior1999, Paul Frank, ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1, Jackythejack (Probably), Antvasima, Kiryu2012, DMB 1, Bobsican) )

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

"Reality as we know it will cease to exist" simply refers to Bikini Bottom being warped beyond recognition as opposed to the entire universe being destroyed.

On another note, "reality" doesn't automatically mean universe. It can also mean "the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to fantasy", which coincides with the actual context of the game.

New Tier
Multi-City Block level (Granted Spongebob and friends their Superhero forms)

Still something doesn't add up with the bolded out I have highlighted anyways with Reality just being Bikini Bottom in destruction but m'kay, Though with any other references this would change but we doubt that do we?

Also I like to point out at one point I think he mentioned "Existence." Not just their measley town structure they live in but Their hax are already potent as it is so whatever.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

^Not really sure what you're trying to get at.

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

^Not really sure what you're trying to get at.

Nah I'm kind of fine with it and all, problem ensues when their has been other statements like "Existence." In jeopardy but this might just be me though something doesn't add up as just "Reffering to bikini bottom." Feels much more like a nerf to me but I guess its a tad fine. Anyways SpongeBob is still able to alter reality even plot fully to his whim this is still pretty effective despite the "Universal debunks." But hey! The SpongeBob Universe is pretty crazy man you'll never know what else will pop up later on there will be one you just can't convince nor fully debunk and that's a promise but in the meantime universal SpongeBob is obviously a no go but we still get a Reality/Plot Warping one at that.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I agree with this. It suggests the setting being warped in a way that is unrecognizable to the characters rather than actual universal destruction.

 

[Paul_Frank]

I agree with the downgrade

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

I agree with the downgrade

Yee... For now...

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

I agree with the downgrade

I meant the book being downgraded is fine but other then that who knows what else is out there later on despite consistency being a pain in the arse, We will not know what other stuff as time progresses might include.

 

[Jackythejack]

But Bubbles isn't limited to the reality of Bikini Bottom in the slightest. He's a special creature who watches over planets. It's clear that he wasn't just referring to bikini bottom. Otherwise he would've said something like "reality as you know it" or something along those lines.

Bubbles just isn't confined to Bikini Bottom

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Bubbles was referring to the phenomenon of reality being warped, which was happening in the Bikini Bottom.

 

[Paul_Frank]

If you say reality as we know it, you kinda have to include the rest of the people you are talking to in the we and since the rest of the cast really only knows Bikini Bottom and the surrounding area that is probably what he was talking about.

Even if we say Bubbles meant the whole galaxy since he is the protector of it that would make the book 3-C at most

 

[Jackythejack]

I know that it wouldn't qualify as 2-C, I'm just saying that if he's saying the whole of reality as we know it, it's be silly to say that it's ve limited to one little zone. When people make similar statements they usually mean all of reality.

 

[Genericstickman]

We usually consider reality as a universe or multiple universes unless stated over wise, if we didn't then a whole load of characters would get downgraded

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I know that it wouldn't qualify as 2-C, I'm just saying that if he's saying the whole of reality as we know it, it's be silly to say that it's ve limited to one little zone. When people make similar statements they usually mean all of reality.

I elaborated as to why "Reality" in this context doesn't refer to the entire universe. It just refers to the setting they're in.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Spongebob shouldnt even have the book to begin with, he used it for all of a few minutes

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

We usually consider reality as a universe or multiple universes unless stated over wise, if we didn't then a whole load of characters would get downgraded

See above.

 

[Jackythejack]

I mean it's more optional equipment, but if we give it a page a rating would be useful.

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

I know that it wouldn't qualify as 2-C, I'm just saying that if he's saying the whole of reality as we know it, it's be silly to say that it's ve limited to one little zone. When people make similar statements they usually mean all of reality.

Exactly thats why its that iffy to me anyways.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I elaborated as to why "Reality" in this context doesn't refer to the entire universe. It just refers to the setting they're in.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Woah.

 

[Jackythejack]

It's a very poorly done elaboration though. I don't see any proof towards him referring to only bikini bottom

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

It's a very poorly done elaboration though. I don't see any proof towards him referring to only bikini bottom

Well yeah but you have to admit universal destruction wasn't shown unless you have another point.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

It's a very poorly done elaboration though. I don't see any proof towards him referring to only bikini bottom

The fact that Bikini Bottom is the setting of the game, is the only thing being warped, and thus is what "reality as we know it" is referring to.

"Reality" doesn't automatically refer to the entire universe. The Elements of Harmony have "Reality Warping" for warping reality across a town, but they absolutely can't warp an entire universe.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

On another note, "reality" doesn't automatically mean universe. It can also mean "the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to fantasy", which coincides with the actual context of the game.

 

[Jackythejack]

Okay but it's still very clear, in my opinion, that Bubbles doesn't just mean Bikini Bottom. Otherwise I doubt he'd be all that concerned with it, to be frank. He doesn't seem like he'd really care much about that. He'd probably only care if it effected his job.

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

Okay but it's still very clear, in my opinion, that Bubbles doesn't just mean Bikini Bottom. Otherwise I doubt he'd be all that concerned with it, to be frank. He doesn't seem like he'd really care much about that. He'd probably only care if it effected his job.

Oh yeah, Also there was a rap from nearly the ending of the movie describing his status, Heck he even reversed time at one point just to finish the SpongeBob theme Song, If its THIS serious he must have a reason to describe all of reality if he can not reverse effects through that one.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Bubbles actually showed to help Spongebob with his problems here even after being supposedly fired from his job:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=72KKIi8k4qY

So that's basically a non-factor.

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

So that's basically a non-factor.

I don't know now about that, I'm starting to truly doubt your claim of "Just effecting Bikini Bottom."

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

If you're skeptical of my points then refute them. Saying "I doubt X" without any further elaboration is just redundant.

The fact that Bikini Bottom is the setting of the game, is the only thing being warped, and thus is what "reality as we know it" is referring to.

"Reality" doesn't automatically refer to the entire universe. The Elements of Harmony have "Reality Warping" for warping reality across a town, but they absolutely can't warp an entire universe.

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

If you're skeptical of my points then refute them. Saying "I doubt X" without any further elaboration is just redundant. The fact that Bikini Bottom is the setting of the game, is the only thing being warped, and thus is what "reality as we know it" is referring to.
"Reality" doesn't automatically refer to the entire universe. The Elements of Harmony have "Reality Warping" for warping reality across a town, but they absolutely can't warp an entire universe.

Nevertheless, I'm okay if its downgraded but still...

 

[Jackythejack]

We get that reality doesn't automatically refer to an entire universe. You can state that point as many times as you want, but I still find it a little ridiculous that if it was such a minuscule little place that Bubbles would take it so seriously. If he's using we, he'd at least be referring to himself as well, as that's what the definition of we is. Him and the rest of the gang, and bubbles isn't limited to bikini bottom

 

[Cropfist]

It does not show the book's effects on the whole universe because it does not show the whole universe overall.

The reality definition is just nitpicked, and it would force site-wide revision if it was actually applicable.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Your only argument is "why would Bubbles care if only the Bikini Bottom is effected", but I showed that Bubbles cares about Spongebob's problems regardless of his job.

It does not show the book's effects on the whole universe because it does not show the whole universe overall.

The reality definition is just nitpicked, and it would force site-wide revision if it was actually applicable.

I'm claiming that "reality" in this context in particular doesn't refer to the entire universe. By that logic anyone with "Reality Warping" should be assumed to be capable of doing so on a universal scale.

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

The reality definition is just nitpicked, and it would force site-wide revision if it was actually applicable.

Not to mention he did store said pages in another dimension meaning they have to hold some strong value more then it just being a piece of paper that just warps the extra small town of Bikini Bottom.

 

[Jackythejack]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in that scene isn't Spongebob going to go get the notebook in the first place? I haven't seen the movie in a while so I could be wrong. Either way it was more like Spongebob did him a favor and he was repaying him. Not much else. If Bubbles didn't actually, you know, get fired or anything, I doubt he'd care too much in the slightest.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Not to mention he did store said pages in another dimension meaning they have to hold some strong value more then it just being a piece of paper that just warps the extra small town of Bikini Bottom.

He stored them in another dimension no one could get to it. Also, I never said it's limited to only affecting Bikini Bottom, which is why I'm proposing it to be Multi-City Block level.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

@Jackythejack What are you proposing? For the record: I'm aware that the Book's range isn't only the Bikini Bottom. We both acknowledge that the entire universe being destroyed is baseless, right?

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in that scene isn't Spongebob going to go get the notebook in the first place? I haven't seen the movie in a while so I could be wrong. Either way it was more like Spongebob did him a favor and he was repaying him. Not much else. If Bubbles didn't actually, you know, get fired or anything, I doubt he'd care too much in the slightest.

He didn't mention him doing favors to SpongeBob either in the said "Hyperboyle" that MZX is mentioning of Bubbles saying it only just effecting Bikini Bottom, If anything doing the favors part does sound like a Non factor thing anyways as well.

 

[Jackythejack]

Okay, I understand that you think that, but it still seems a bit absurd that an incredibly power being cares about a couple city blocks. It doesn't make sense with how he'd regard the magic book. That's still not reality as Bubbles knows it.