Magic Book downgrade

[Paul_Frank]

I just want to point out that it wasn't actively being used to bust a universe so either way even if it was the whole universe it would just be range not ap

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

Okay, I understand that you think that, but it still seems a bit absurd that an incredibly power being cares about a couple city blocks. It doesn't make sense with how he'd regard the magic book. That's still not reality as Bubbles knows it.

My thoughts exacly.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

"It's absurd" isn't an argument. The Magic Book likely has range that far surpasses multiple city blocks, but in terms of sheer power its only concrete feat is amping Spongebob and co. to 8-A.

 

[ThisLadWithTheCrowBar-5.1]

I just want to point out that it wasn't actively being used to bust a universe so either way even if it was the whole universe it would just be range not ap

Kind of makes more sense.

 

[Jackythejack]

"It's absurd" isn't an argument. The Magic Book likely has range that far surpasses multiple city blocks, but in terms of sheer power its only concrete feat is amping Spongebob and co. to 8-A.

Okay, you see. That's better. I can come to an agreement on that, but you never discussed range at all, really.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I'd honestly be content with rating the Magic Book as follows to avoid any perceived downplay:

Unknow (Does not focus on raw destructive output)

Range: Unknown, at least Galactic (Bubbles the Dolphi, the protector of the galaxy, recognizes it as a threat.)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Updated the OP.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Lmao that gif tho.

 

[Js250476]

Jeez you suck the life out of Spongbob more then Land does

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Someone gotta be doing the wank control for Spongebob around here.

 

[Bobsican]

I better get to this before it´s too late.

1: The book created a whole dimension in Spongebob

2: Assuming the above is denied, it should be at the very least Low 4-C as it is considered as a thread by Bubbles, who is in that tier.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

1. Unspecified size =/= Unquantifiable

2. That actually might be solid, though I'd need an explicit statement suggesting the Book's raw power surpasses Bubbles, as for all we know Bubbles may only value it for its Nigh-Omnipotent abilities.

 

[Bobsican]

According to the Statements page, if it indeed was a thread as stated by himself, it scales.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Give an actual statement that suggests it can dish out power comparable to Bubbles though.

 

[Bobsican]

Indirectly, as Bubbles said it was something that threatened stuff and was totally worth his attention (as "reality" is taken now as hyperbole at this point).

Statements (Check option 3)

There´s also the plot manipulation that reworte the events at Bikini Bottom, but I doubt that´s going to lead anywhere.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Bubbles never referenced the Book as having raw, destructive powers comparable or superior to his own though. In fact, it's a Reality Warping object that hardly focuses on raw power at all.

Until you provide an actual statement just referring to the Statements page over and over again won't cut it.

 

[Bobsican]

Just checked, nope at least within the game itself, as finding clips for the movie itself is hard. Anyways, isn´t reality rewriting taken as a tier 2 feat, I mean Haruhi for example is in that tier via that sort of stuff.

The definition of "reality" in the OP woudl fit for such purposes anyways in the end, leading that the book may be tier 2 in the end if we accept the statements of Bubbles.

Anyways, I found this, but I definitely will be thankful if the actual movie scene is foudn regarding this thing the Spongebob wiki says regarding the plot:

""They go to the "middle of space" and meet a dolphin named Bubbles, who is the protector of the universe, and he asks them to guard the planets while he takes a bathroom break. However, two of the planets crash and fall apart. When Bubbles comes back, SpongeBob and Plankton flee back into the time machine when the former starts shooting lasers at them out of anger."

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The reality thing is off the table as a Tier 2 feat as explained above. Unless you can prove the Book can do so on a Universal scale, which I'm just gonna assume isn't something you can do.

Also, I don't see what that quote proves.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Haruhi actually has a feat of merging two timelines though.

 

[Bobsican]

For our standards, a reliable statement is already more than enought to my knowledge.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Which hasn't been provided...

 

[Bobsican]

"erase reality as we know it" (or something like that, you likely know which one I´m talking about)

And as the definition of reality fits perfectly with a reality rewriting for this case...

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Which Maverick already explained why reality =/= universe in this context.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

^This.

I'll get back to this in a bit.

 

[Bobsican]

Which Maverick already explained why reality =/= universe in this context.

Simply put, the book has shown actual feats in rewriting the events as we can see it returning Bikini Bottom back to normal after turning it into an apocalypse that thanks to the time machine we can see what once was Bikini Bottom was covered in sand.

In other words, the book can basically mess with not only the 3 main dimensions, but also the time axis (aka, 4D), and per definition tier 2.

If anything, the 2-C/Low 2-C stuff should be kept with a "possibly".

 

[Kiryu2012]

Spongebob shouldnt even have the book to begin with, he used it for all of a few minutes

I agree with both this and the OP.

 

[Bobsican]

We usually consider reality as a universe or multiple universes unless stated over wise, if we didn't then a whole load of characters would get downgraded

See above.

Also, if you´re going to questionate the reliability for such statement like that, you must make a thread for that particular topic, as Genericstickman is quite right as of now when regarding our standards, and as having double standards is fallacious... yeah, you would need to conclude properly that topic regarding the meaning of "reality" first in a new thread that you may link in here.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that the first post seems to make sense, but you should ask the staff members listed in the Spongebob Squarepants (Universe) page and the Knowledgeable Members List to comment here.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

No. Warping reality across Bikini Bottom isn't a 2-C feat.

Also, I have repeatedly refuted reality referring to the entire universe IN THIS PARTICULAR CONTEXT. Similarly, Discord wouldn't be 2-C for warping reality across Ponyville.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I'll ask another staff member to comment here so this can be concluded.

 

[Genericstickman]

you'd need proof that it only effected Bikini Bottom and nothing else

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

At no point does it imply the entire universe is being warped, which is something y'all would need to prove.

The fact that Bikini Bottom is the setting of the game, is the only thing being warped, and thus is what "reality as we know it" is referring to.

"Reality" doesn't automatically refer to the entire universe. The Elements of Harmony have "Reality Warping" for warping reality across a town, but they absolutely can't warp an entire universe.

 

[Genericstickman]

yes they cant because they're not shown or stated to be able to, the book has a statement to warp an entire reality, also this is like downgrading Bill because the very fabric of existence is only referring to Gravity Falls and nothing else because he was inside it at the time (sorry Bill for using you as an example, no more downgrades for you hopefully)

 

[Paul_Frank]

once time baby is downgraded bill loses someone to scale to and will be downgraded agai

Maverick is saying that in this case, because of who he was talking to, bubbles meant the bikini bottom area when he said reality as we know it since that is all the rest of the cast knows

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

yes they cant because they're not shown or stated to be able to, the book has a statement to warp an entire reality, also this is like downgrading Bill because the very fabric of existence is only referring to Gravity Falls and nothing else because he was inside it at the time (sorry Bill for using you as an example, no more downgrades for you hopefully)

With Bill he's genuinely stated to be a threat to all of space and time as well as potentially the "wider multiverse". With the Magic Book there's zero indication that "reality" refers to the entire universe, as I've mentioned countless times now. There are plenty of characters with Reality Warping that cannot affect the entire universe.

 

[Genericstickman]

If I'm not taking Bill down with this I might as well take Illumina down since the realities she created are referring to planets since they have no indication on being actual universes

 

[Jackythejack]

Isn't Illumina getting downgraded anyways?

 

[Genericstickman]

she's possibly getting downgraded but the thread still hasn't concluded, I'd be pretty bumbed if she actually does get downgraded

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

@Genericstickma Do you have any more counter arguments regarding this discussion? Cuz mentioning Illumina is kinda derailing.