Magi Revision

[Lormac_CC]

This is a revision.

Ugo, David and Sinbad large size type (10) bigger and superior to llah who is bigger than a universe

David large size type (9) for his 5D key. Merged with llah

David intelligences is rated as: Supergenius (Created a barrier which even Ugo had difficulty with)

I have problem with this, yes he did create the barrier but it took him centuries to do so, he should be rated Extraordinary Genius for being able to create it in the first place

Sinbad, Ugo, David resistance to EE( Aladdin talked about going the sacred palace. Going the Sacred Palace with the gate closed means you would return to rukh and become part of the great flow. The Guardian of the Sacred Palace exists in the Palace without turning to rukh.

Medium durability should be downgraded at least 6-B, likely far higher.
Medium durability is justified by this
Durability: Planet level | Planet level (It took 72 Metal Vessel users to Destroy the Medium in Alma Toran with 11 Metal Vessel you could easily destroy the world, Its immense Borg makes it very difficult to harm The up and it only grows stronger over time).

There are problem with this, we hardly see anything close to world destroying powers until the very end of magi thus making it not consistent. Not only that it was made by an unknown Subordinate and according to the statement page, the statement from subordinates is considered hyperbole.

Equipment Sacred Palace for Ugo

This was brought up by @Delta333, that gods shouldn't scale to Mid-godly regeneration feats made by Sinbad and David.

Sinbad potentially Key : This would be the most interesting, right now Sinbad potential key is taken to being above the 1-B gods who are Infinite in number and in a High 1-B hierarchy. Sinbad destiny was to do this, destroy the entire system and destiny rule on the High 1-B hierarchy. There is also this scan which pretty talks about reaching the end of destiny beyond the Infinite gods. Now depending on how this is interpreted this could either be potentially High 1-B or low 1-A

 

[Theendzero13]

Agree with everything, high 1-B should have been a thing for a while now, and the mediun should for sure got his durability downgraded the king vessels clearly have never demonstrated such power and the statement is clearly hyperbolic as the characters who made it are not authorities on the slightiest

 

[Delta333]

David large size type (8) for his 5D key. Merged with llah

Should be type 10 since he is 5-D being which is larger than space time and can perceive it as fiction

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

Should be type 10 since he is 5-D being which is larger than space time and can perceive it as fiction

If so, shouldn't all 5D characters have a Type 10 Large Size? Because he sees an infinite universe, only infinitesimal/fiction/meaningless

 

[Lormac_CC]

Should be type 10 since he is 5-D being which is larger than space time and can perceive it as fiction

I am not sure this would grant type 10

 

[Bernkastelll]

There are problem with this, we hardly see anything close to world destroying powers until the very end of magi thus making it not consistent. Not only that it was made by an unknown Subordinate and according to the statement page, the statement from subordinates is considered hyperbole.

I agree with everything, however, this part is not totally true, not all statements from subordinates are hyperbole, we need to know the context behind them, the example in the page was literally ''THE MASTER IS INVINCIBLE AND INDESTRUCTIBLE'', which obviously, is hyperbole, but applying it to all subordinates statements is wrong, it need context to it, but I agree with the removal and the large size should be 10

 

[Bernkastelll]

I am not sure this would grant type 10

Type 10 (Higher-Order): Characters larger than a conventional multiverse, having size equivalent to higher infinities

 

[Lormac_CC]

Type 10 (Higher-Order): Characters larger than a conventional multiverse, having size equivalent to higher infinities

llah isn't larger than a multiverses, he is just bigger than a universe, don't know if type 9 would work

 

[Bernkastelll]

llah isn't larger than a multiverses, he is just bigger than a universe, don't know if type 9 would work

Conventional multiverse in a sense of 4-D structures, which he is

 

[Lormac_CC]

Type 9 should work for llah

Type 9 (Multiversal): Characters larger than a universal space-time continuum. Note that as with all of these types, this is only referring to size. Having 4-dimensional power or above does not qualify as having multiversal size, but characters can contend with them.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Type 9 should work for llah

it shouldnt, that thing is to characters like Madoka and Arceus, that are bigger than space-times, but Ilah case is a 5-D being that see a 4-D structure with reality-fiction difference, so, doesnt matter if its a single space-time or INFINITES SPACE-TIME, he see 4-D structures as fiction

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

I also found Sinbad's statement that he will fight with an infinite gods

 

[PrinceofPein]

I agree with everything, Disagree on the whole High 1B or low 1A, you would need something better than that swapping through an hierachy one step at a time will not let you reach the top as long as the said Hierarchy is infinite

 

[Delta333]

Type 9 should work for llah

Type 9 (Multiversal): Characters larger than a universal space-time continuum. Note that as with all of these types, this is only referring to size. Having 4-dimensional power or above does not qualify as having multiversal size, but characters can contend with them.

No,I'm pretty sure it is type 10 and actually Elizha also said that in different thread

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

I agree with everything, Disagree on the whole High 1B or low 1A, you would need something better than that swapping through an hierachy one step at a time will not let you reach the top as long as the said Hierarchy is infinite

he will be able to, because it is his destiny

As in the case of him defeating Ugo, defeating a higher being like Ugo has a 0% chance. But here Sinbad is able to defeat and become the guardian of the Sacred Place because he follows the flow of destiny.

 

[Lormac_CC]

No,I'm pretty sure it is type 10 and actually Elizha also said that in different thread

Yeah, he said type 10 for Ugo, Sinbad and David, not type 10 for llah

 

[Lormac_CC]

I agree with everything, Disagree on the whole High 1B or low 1A, you would need something better than that swapping through an hierachy one step at a time will not let you reach the top as long as the said Hierarchy is infinite

You are looking at how he would reach it, this isn't really a problem heck Maria from Umineko is rated 0 for been destined to reach the creator realm without losing her will even though she is taking a step at a time. Seriously taking a step at a time isn't really a problem. This is about Sinbad destiny

 

[Delta333]

Yeah, he said type 10 for Ugo, Sinbad and David, not type 10 for llah

Just put type 10 for Ill Ilah in OP,tbh your reason for type 10 of everyone above is wrong if Ill Ilah is not type 10,I mean who tell you that just being bigger than a character who is bigger than a universe is type 10?

 

[PrinceofPein]

You are looking at how he would reach it, this isn't really a problem heck Maria from Umineko is rated 0 for been destined to reach the creator realm without losing her will even though she is taking a step at a time. Seriously taking a step at a time isn't really a problem. This is about Sinbad destiny

there are no tier 0 hierarchy in Umineko and wtf is this? Umineko is literally getting a downgrade for this reason of ascending ladder one step at a time and maria is not reaching the creator's domain by climbing a ******* ladder else all the witches would become a creator, she is reaching it cause she can create 1 from 0 something only pertaining to creators. and stop bringing in other verses to justify your own wrong assumptions/.

Sinbad destiny is ascending the hierarchy one step at a time so still not going to reach the top of the hierarchy hence NO

 

[Lormac_CC]

Sinbad destiny is ascending the hierarchy one step at a time so still not going to reach the top of the hierarchy hence

Sinbad destiny was to do this, Second scan which we have agured clearly takes about reaching beyond the Hierarchy but only you calls it flowery language.

there are no tier 0 hierarchy in Umineko and wtf is this? Umineko is literally getting a downgrade for this reason of ascending ladder one step at a time and maria is not reaching the creator's domain by climbing a ******* ladder else all the witches would become a creator, she is reaching it cause she can create 1 from 0 something only pertaining to creators. and stop bringing in other verses to justify your own wrong assumptions

Yeah, I shouldn't have used it, Let's wait for others to give their input.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Sinbad destiny was to do this

send the whole scan and context, even though it has been years since i read magi, i am sure as hell in the context it was not talking about destroying the entire hierarchy

 

[Lormac_CC]

send the whole scan and context, even though it has been years since i read magi, i am sure as hell in the context it was not talking about destroying the entire hierarchy

That scan doesn't talks about destroying the hierarchy anyways I will send it

 

[PrinceofPein]

That scan doesn't talks about destroying the hierarchy anyways I will send it

okay, but you do realize when he swaps hierarchy the rukh of the lower world is used up? hence destruction in the end

 

[Lormac_CC]

okay, but you do realize when he swaps hierarchy the rukh of the lower world is used up? hence destruction in the end

 

[Lormac_CC]

okay, but you do realize when he swaps hierarchy the rukh of the lower world is used up? hence destruction in the end

Swapping of the Hierarchy works with sacred palace magoi only, that is why it crashed

 

[PrinceofPein]

you see exactly, this all still boils down to defeating gods on the infinity hierarchy not existing outside of it

 

[Lormac_CC]

you see exactly, this all still boils down to defeating gods on the infinity hierarchy not existing outside of it

There is also this, it supports the fact that yes he would defeat the gods and go beyond them. This is supported by the fact that is destiny is to end the destiny rule affecting the entire Hierarchy

 

[PrinceofPein]

This again? you will need to bring concrete proof there is a god outside the hierarchy and again it was a motivation speech

 

[Lormac_CC]

This again? you will need to bring concrete proof there is a god outside the hierarchy and again it was a motivation speech

This isn't about a god being outside the hierarchy and I am not saying that there is a god outside the hierarchy in this thread.

 

[Theendzero13]

I agree with everything, however, this part is not totally true, not all statements from subordinates are hyperbole, we need to know the context behind them, the example in the page was literally ''THE MASTER IS INVINCIBLE AND INDESTRUCTIBLE'', which obviously, is hyperbole, but applying it to all subordinates statements is wrong, it need context to it, but I agree with the removal and the large size should be 10

The context is: kouen ren paranoic soldiers thought that the presense of 11 metal vessels there could cause world destruction if they start to fight, additionaly:
of course world here means society, no timeframe was given, and 11 relativistic characters destroying the society over an unknow timeframe ain't impressive
So even ignoring the obviou hyperbole from people who have no authority on the djinn's powers the 'feat' still does not work

 

[PrinceofPein]

This isn't about a god being outside the hierarchy and I am not saying that there is a god outside the hierarchy in this thread.

so how are they getting H1B or low 1A if there is no god outside the hierarchy?

 

[Lormac_CC]

so how are they getting H1B or low 1A if there is no god outside the hierarchy?

The scan clearly says they would reach the end/beyond the hierarchy, without further context that would be High 1-B not low 1-A.

 

[PrinceofPein]

The scan clearly says they would reach the end/beyond the hierarchy, without further context that would be High 1-B not low 1-A.

This is where you are getting it wrong, the scan did not "clearly" anyone is reaching beyond or outside any hierarchy

 

[Lormac_CC]

This is where you are getting it wrong, the scan did not "clearly" anyone is reaching beyond or outside any hierarchy

Well, right now only one who thinks otherwise, even Darkmash agreed to this in the discussion, will wait for more people input

 

[Delta333]

Just put type 10 for Ill Ilah in OP,tbh your reason for type 10 of everyone above is wrong if Ill Ilah is not type 10,I mean who tell you that just being bigger than a character who is bigger than a universe is type 10?

This,ngl but your reason for type 10 of 3 characters above are completely non sense if Il Ilah is not type 10 (and I already told you the reason for type 10 Ill Ilah so for the sake of god pls add it)

 

[Antvasima]

The first post seems to make sense to me, especially the intelligence downgrade.

@M3X @Elizhaa @Yomi_Schwarz @Liger686 @Drakelix @Ryuga21 @EmperorRorepme @UchihaSlayer96 @Infinity_Shun @OriginFox

What do you think about this?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Well, right now only one who thinks otherwise, even Darkmash agreed to this in the discussion, will wait for more people input

Darkmash has not read magi and even if he has he will need prove and not statements about defeating gods inside an hierarchy means they will become.high 1B

 

[Antvasima]

Correction: I am very doubtful about giving a High 1-B or Low 1-A tier to Sinbad.

 

[Delta333]

Totally disagree with low 1-A btw,keeping ignore about my reply for type 10 large size makes me feel kinda annoyed,I will give some counter arguments for low 1-A stuff later

 

[Lormac_CC]

Totally disagree with low 1-A btw,keeping ignore about my reply for type 10 stuff makes me feel kinda annoyed,I will give some counter arguments for low 1-A stuff later

Sorry for ignoring, I am waiting for Elizhaa