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I already answered it, whether you read it or not.
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Magi conceptual manipulation revision
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At first lormac didn't believe that Rukh was CM1, but after lormac already knew that Rukh was CM1, you changed the topic instead. that gods never directly manipulate concepts. If you want to downgrade CM1 Magi, at least your thoughts are more mature. this is so bad, i even laughed out loud.
PrinceofPein
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This is jumbled I can’t get what you are trying to pass accross
try and read what I wrote again and this time read it better. This was my first message to this group, I don’t know what you are on
And yes I am still right in this and the explanation does not even explain why Rukh is CM, reality warping is not CM or we would have given everyone with good RW power CM too. But like I said Rukh can indeed be CM and is Indeed CM but you just got to explain it better so non-knowledgeable members can understand
What you wrote saying you explained is not it.
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Jumbled? I explained that God who manipulated Rukh as a whole or around the world could be said to be manipulating the concept. which basically rukh is a fundamental concept as described above
unlike when those gods manipulate fate, they would say "fate" in manipulating it. while the feats that I brought were manipulating rukh as a whole which is not just fate, causality, law, etc. but already refers to the basis of rukh, namely the concept
unlike when those gods manipulate fate, they would say "fate" in manipulating it. while the feats that I brought were manipulating rukh as a whole which is not just fate, causality, law, etc. but already refers to the basis of rukh, namely the concept
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I think you have read this thread from the beginning, so you know about the context of this thread. Lormac doubts whether Rukh is conceptual type 1 or not, after I explained Rukh is conceptual type 1, he might have agreed. you keep saying that the gods never manipulate concepts, you've changed the subject.
I've explained it above, even my explanation is better than the explanation in the god's profile.
PrinceofPein
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I will do that later on I need to gather a few scans
PrinceofPein
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Might take a while since i dont even know the chapters the scans are but i am on it already but while at that this should be removed, i never really noticed but the thing on the profile is so bad that it cringy
And even these does not even grant CM, Rukh is simply the energy behind everything in the world. it can be annexed to magoi to create natural phenomenon, but we are not going to give all magic user CM cause they can create phenomenon with magoi
so yes in the end if i am unable to find better scans the Magi gods should lose CM. for those who would help me look for scans, i am looking for one that says Rukh is the source of all of reality or something really similar.
like literally nothing here means CM at all the only part that makes sense is this
And even these does not even grant CM, Rukh is simply the energy behind everything in the world. it can be annexed to magoi to create natural phenomenon, but we are not going to give all magic user CM cause they can create phenomenon with magoi
so yes in the end if i am unable to find better scans the Magi gods should lose CM. for those who would help me look for scans, i am looking for one that says Rukh is the source of all of reality or something really similar.
Lormac_CC
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Well I haven't seen a scan like that. Scans similar includes.
Returning the world to Rukh = Returning to nothingness
The world without Rukh is non-existent.
Rukh are pure existence.
Affects everything in reality and actually shape things. even rocks contains Rukh.
It is contained in every layer, though might have different colors.
Is completely independent from reality.
Everything in reality can be transformed to Rukh.
Now going by the idea that rewriting the Rukh in the Sacred palace affects all humans connected to it. It is safe to assume that affecting the Rukh from the Sacred palace affects all things connected to it. Say we decided to change the Rukh in rocks. It should affect all rocks just as rewriting the Rukh in the SP affects all humans
PrinceofPein
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These three are vital the rest not so much so if you can tell me where to find them or if you are not too busy if you can help find them
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Tf, what does Magic have to do with CM
Even though the original is simple but made complicated
Rukh = concept type 1
Gods who have full control over Rukh = CM1
Magic = comes from chanting spells that come from Magoi
Magoi = pure energy born from Rukh who has various affinities
Even though the original is simple but made complicated
Rukh = concept type 1
Gods who have full control over Rukh = CM1
Magic = comes from chanting spells that come from Magoi
Magoi = pure energy born from Rukh who has various affinities
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and you even said that manipulating rukh is just reality warping bruh
I've shown the feat above that rukh is an abstraction that underlies a verse, the concept that became the beginning of the magiverse, that's why it can automatically be called concept type 1
I've shown the feat above that rukh is an abstraction that underlies a verse, the concept that became the beginning of the magiverse, that's why it can automatically be called concept type 1
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and also if this is reality warping the Gods should be "manipulating everything" according to their will (not explicitly including rukh) not "manipulating rukh"
but the feats I gave above show that the gods manipulated Rukh as a whole
and back to this explanation, if you manipulate rukh as a whole it can be said to be cm1
PrinceofPein
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Prove it with relevant scans
No actually, not anyone’s fault shinobu was not clear on CM
PrinceofPein
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I said the usage of Rukh can be reality warping
There is no scans or statement that says anything about concept in the verse
All we can settle for is a scan that Rukh affects everything in reality and yes everything should include concepts, and we are not here to nitpick so that would in fact be a good scan for type 1 concept.
And funny enough not everything in the verse is made up of Rukh as their are Anti-feats
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He already explained it above, he even added a scan too.
PrinceofPein
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ANd like I already said above it is not enough
Anyway let me wait for Lormacc if he can get the scan I asked for it will be great
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bruh I have given the feats above about rukh which is an abstraction that underlies a world in magiverse. Rukh is the shape all reality of life, the abstract that forms the beginning of life. And also if reality and existence are destroyed, Rukh is not destroyed and Rukh is still exist
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Hmm alright then
even though the feats I showed above should be enough to prove that rukh is an abstraction that underlies the magiverse. a reality will be destroyed but rukh is still exist
Lormac_CC
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I say again, the full scene about the Rukh is above posted by @Ashshidqy
PrinceofPein
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Link is broken please check again
This does not state the world without Rukh is non-existent and they were in illah realm here under very specific conditions
PrinceofPein
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They lack physical bodies due to the fact that there is no Rukh in illah dimensions which would imply lots of things. Souls are not made up of Rukh, Rukh only makes physical things or something like that.
Also they are still existing here in this context
Do you have any other scans?
Lormac_CC
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Souls aren't made of Rukh. The series has actually contradicted itself on this one even in same chapter.
Example, The Rukh is the smallest unit of the soul. This is contradicted in that same chapter, the Rukh depicts the soul. In chapter 226. It is stated that the Rukh compose the Soul, this statement is contradicted by Life magic. Life magic disconnects the soul from the body. Alibaba soul was disconnected but it left his Rukh within his body. In chapter 65. Aladdin Rukh brought his soul to the sacred palace. So yeah there is a lot of contradiction and I could point out more.
Phantom are things that look like they exists but don't actually exist
This is fiction. It is quite difficult to depict non existence. They look like they exists but they don't exists.
Personally, i feel Rukh is what makes things real.
No
PrinceofPein
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There is not sufficient evidence for CM1
We should make a CRT
Edit: this is the CRT
I guess we can proceed to remove it from the necessary profiles
And before someone says but they created the universe with Rukh, we don’t grant CM to everyone who creates a universe through a mean or another
We should make a CRT
Edit: this is the CRT
I guess we can proceed to remove it from the necessary profiles
And before someone says but they created the universe with Rukh, we don’t grant CM to everyone who creates a universe through a mean or another
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