Madoka Magica Low 1-C

[Robo432343]

• We all know Madoka achieved a higher plane of existence after defeating the Witch of Despair. Madoka was in a pure white void with no up and down, depth and direction.
• This is what it says on profile: Multiverse level+ (Completely reformed the multiverse, which is stated to be made of infinite universes, from destroying the concept of Witches in every universe, past and future. Ascended to a higher level of existence to become a conceptual entity as the Law of Cycles itself, which encompasses the multiverse as well as the nonexistent multiverse beyond it.

And this is from the anime:
"Your life has no beginning or end, Madoka. There is no longer any proof that you have lived, nor memories of your being here. Your existence has shifted to a higher plane and become nothing more than a concept. No one can perceive you any longer, and likewise, you cannot interact with anyone else. You have ceased to be a member of this universe." (Episode 12)
This is extremely important because we find out that ultimate Madoka sees different universes as records

• The 4 timelines visited by Homura are shown to be a different record for each one.
• The final timelines are also are also made up of multiple records

- Madoka wrote nonexistent universes which are records that cannot be found. They're just memories that exist within her heart. They can only be accessed through different keys which appear in Homura's room. Homura's room is a place which exist inside Madoka's heart.
- Ultimate Madoka can view all these records from her heaven which is a higher level of existence stated earlier, just viewing them all as records.

This is the Translation for the original Japanese Text. (Login Event)

- In the Ultimate Madoka's login story, these 'records' are memories but that's not it. The are real timelines that appear as pure memories and 'records' from Madoka's perspective. We know this because Madoka attained to a higher level of existence compared to the verse which is accepted as 2-A. If Madoka decides to affect the disk's of the different records, this will affect the multiple universes.


These are the event quotes:

However, what to do? No matter how much she sings, the goddess' voice would not be engraved upon the record disc. Neither the front or the back showed any signs of having been changed.
	~ The Goddess and the Mysterious Record

There were traces of the groove having been re-carved, just as when the goddess would bestow her song of blessing.
	~ The Goddess and the Mysterious Record

There were traces of the groove having been re-carved, just as when the goddess would bestow her song of blessing.
	~ The Goddess and the Mysterious Record

There was nothing else she could do. If she added her song of blessing to the voice of the record still being carved, there was a chance this wayward record might break. But if it's a bad record, then I have to break it, right? Would the goddess break it or would she bestow her blessings upon it?
	~ The Goddess and the Mysterious Record

This is basically saying that the records are universes and Madoka can affect all of them while viewing them as records.

 

[God900]

Hmmm... interesting, neutral for now leaning towards agreeing

 

[Georredannea15]

"Your existence has shifted onto a higher plane." Looking at this statement in combination with other statements, I'm not sure about "dimensional attribution"

Because it's more reminiscent of "Type 5 Acasuality".

There is something, yes, but it seems insufficient and incomplete. I'm neutral for now, but it may slip into disagree or agree.

 

[God900]

"Your existence has shifted onto a higher plane."

I mean, as its refering to Ultimate Madoka's existance entirely, that doesn't sound flowerly for me at all. It's clearly refering to her "Existance"...and ascending into a "higher plane"

 

[Georredannea15]

I mean, as its refering to Ultimate Madoka's existance entirely, that doesn't sound flowerly for me at all. It's clearly refering to her "Existance"...and ascending into a "higher plane"

You have to prove that the higher plane is a higher "dimensional" plane.

You can exist on the same dimensional plane with exist on a higher plane. If that's the case Madoka would get type 5 Acasuality

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I don't understand anything about tier 1, but I agree with the argument presented.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Already addressed in previous thread

 

[Delta333]

Yea it has been debunked because the event by itself is metaphor, like she sits at the corner of the universe contradicting to the omnipresent nature or how the stars fall asleep...

 

[God900]

Welp, if this is the case, then it would be better for this thread to be closed.

 

[God900]

If that's the case Madoka would get type 5 Acasuality

Btw she already has that tho

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Yea it has been debunked because the event by itself is metaphor, like she sits at the corner of the universe contradicting to the omnipresent nature or how the stars fall asleep...

explain in detail, like where the debunk is?

 

[God900]

explain in detail, like where the debunk is?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/a-quick-pmmm-downgrade.113986/

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/a-quick-pmmm-downgrade.113986/

disagree with thread then ig

 

[StrymULTRA]

We all know Madoka achieved a higher plane of existence after defeating the Witch of Despair.

That can perfectly reffer to her just becoming a 4D than 3D.

Madoka was in a pure white void with no up and down, depth and direction.

BDE at best.

"Your life has no beginning or end, Madoka. There is no longer any proof that you have lived, nor memories of your being here. Your existence has shifted to a higher plane and become nothing more than a concept. No one can perceive you any longer, and likewise, you cannot interact with anyone else. You have ceased to be a member of this universe."

Again, 4D HDE + AE1 already fulfills this.

This is extremely important because we find out that ultimate Madoka sees different universes as records

• The 4 timelines visited by Homura are shown to be a different record for each one.
• The final timelines are also are also made up of multiple records

- Madoka wrote nonexistent universes which are records that cannot be found. They're just memories that exist within her heart. They can only be accessed through different keys which appear in Homura's room. Homura's room is a place which exist inside Madoka's heart.
- Ultimate Madoka can view all these records from her heaven which is a higher level of existence stated earlier, just viewing them all as records.

A record is merely the evidence of something that already was there, it's not something meant to be fictional or inferior.

This is the Translation for the original Japanese Text. (Login Event)
- In the Ultimate Madoka's login story, these 'records' are memories but that's not it. The are real timelines that appear as pure memories and 'records' from Madoka's perspective. We know this because Madoka attained to a higher level of existence compared to the verse which is accepted as 2-A. If Madoka decides to affect the disk's of the different records, this will affect the multiple universes.

These are the event quotes:

However, what to do? No matter how much she sings, the goddess' voice would not be engraved upon the record disc. Neither the front or the back showed any signs of having been changed.

~ The Goddess and the Mysterious Record

There were traces of the groove having been re-carved, just as when the goddess would bestow her song of blessing.

~ The Goddess and the Mysterious Record

There were traces of the groove having been re-carved, just as when the goddess would bestow her song of blessing.

~ The Goddess and the Mysterious Record

There was nothing else she could do. If she added her song of blessing to the voice of the record still being carved, there was a chance this wayward record might break. But if it's a bad record, then I have to break it, right? Would the goddess break it or would she bestow her blessings upon it?

~ The Goddess and the Mysterious Record

This is basically saying that the records are universes and Madoka can affect all of them while viewing them as records.

The thing was previously rejected as Madoka does not literally see them as infinitesimal or whatever, but just as something comparable to how we see discs alongside their sound records. Neither the sounds nor the discs are lower dimensional, so I do not see why it matters.

If anything, the records seem to be 4D timelines, which Madoka can play with like we do with 3D mp3 files/audio discs.

So hard disagree ngl.

 

[Shmooply]

strym someone already posted the thread that debunked all of that

 

[StrymULTRA]

strym someone already posted the thread that debunked all of that

I did so in case someone does not bother to read.

 

[God900]

BDE at best.

Man, it's such a shame BDE is a fodder ability now, lol.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Man, it's such a shame BDE is a fodder ability now, lol.

Always has been.

 

[Georredannea15]

Btw she already has that tho

Then no problem. She must stay Tier 2-A