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He still has 2 forms of durability negation
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Luffy vs Alien X
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One of which is Haki, yes, but as far as I know that doesn't work on people who are way tougher than you. Didn't Luffy straight up say his hits were too shallow when he was using Ryou on Kaido at first?
As for the second:
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The Rubber Durability Negation is still an option. Don't remember much about Luffy using Ryou on Kaido. Do you have a scan or anything?
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I don't read One Piece, to be honest! It's just something I've heard by having friends that do, you'd be better off asking someone that reads it.
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Haven't looked for the scan yet, but for now I'm saying that if Kaido could resist Ryou, that most likely means he has resistance to Durability Negation/Internal Organ Destruction. Reboot Alien X doesn't. I'll try looking for a scan like that but for now it seems like if Kaido did resist Ryou, it's due to him having resistance to that form of Durability Negation or due to his own Haki
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The OP still says 200m for the starting distance.
As for dura neg, rubber dura neg is useful but it doesn't cause any kind of insta kill or whatever as it turns everything into rubber, pretty much the same way Luffy's entire body is by default.
As for Internal Destruction, that one is based around how durable the body is internally (for obvious reasons) so it's a matter of Alien X being as durable inside as he is outside, does anything point towards this? Do we have some idea of how is his internal structure?
As for dura neg, rubber dura neg is useful but it doesn't cause any kind of insta kill or whatever as it turns everything into rubber, pretty much the same way Luffy's entire body is by default.
As for Internal Destruction, that one is based around how durable the body is internally (for obvious reasons) so it's a matter of Alien X being as durable inside as he is outside, does anything point towards this? Do we have some idea of how is his internal structure?
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No reason for it not to work. I'll count it as a vote for Luffy for now
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Moved this to Vs Thread
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Luffy's insanely faster so he can most likely just throw Alien X around before he can even react or do anything
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How does Alien X’s deconstruction work? Does he only need to think about it?
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It seems to be thought based, yes
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This is a stomp.
Luffy can't harm Alien X, and alien X haxes are thought based meaning you don't get to dodge them, he thinks about it
Luffy can't harm Alien X, and alien X haxes are thought based meaning you don't get to dodge them, he thinks about it
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Alien X got caught off guard by a roller coaster and Rath fought evenly with him before being overpowered. Against a guy with more combat skill, a huge speed advantage and 2 forms of durability negation, Alien X is going to have a bit of a hard time winning. Alien X also tends to go for physical attacks, and those aren't going to harm Luffy either and he doesn't know that they're useless
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Yes, but he clearly wasn't trying very hard.
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Don't really know if he was or not. He did say that Rath was impressive though. Either way, Luffy's speed and durability negation give him a good chance. Plus Alien X typically goes for physical attacks and those aren't going to harm Luffy anyway, so he has some time before Alien X tries something different and one shots him
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Just saying, but G5 is a goofy fighter who doesn't really go all out from the start, meanwhile Luffy himself doesn't use Internal Destruction with every single attack.
Btw, are these stars in Alien X body's meant to represent his skin or his insides? Like, he is a a cosmic being without a nose, mouth or ears, I really doubt he has internal organs the same way we humans do.
And again, rubberization barely does anything to the target for a type of dura neg
Btw, are these stars in Alien X body's meant to represent his skin or his insides? Like, he is a a cosmic being without a nose, mouth or ears, I really doubt he has internal organs the same way we humans do.
And again, rubberization barely does anything to the target for a type of dura neg
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We have no way of knowing if he has organs or not. Plus even if Luffy starts off not being serious, he's still going to avoid most of Alien X's attacks due to speed. Don't know if I have to specify that this is Luffy after the Wano arc, since he has a better understanding of Gear 5 and actively used Armament Haki and Conqueror's Infusion against Lucci.
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Well, burden of proof is on you to prove he has them, not on the other side to prove a negative.
I am pretty sure Alien X has attacks that don't actually travel (he disintegrated a box without moving)
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Do I have to prove that he has organs or prove that he doesn't have them. I don't see anything on his profile saying he doesn't have organs
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You have to prove he has them, as you're making the positive claim here.
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I thought it was just assumed that he had them since he doesn't have anything like Inorganic Physiology on his profile
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Outdated profiles are very common, I am just saying where burden of proof should fall here.
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Alien X's profile got changed by a crt around 7 days ago I think. It's probably not outdated
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Guess we can just wait for someone with knowledge about Ben 10 to explain, unless you have the evidence of what you're claiming.
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on WHAT basis
he's faster but he can't harm alien x on the basis of him being literally thousands to millions of times stronger than luffy is
punching someone's organs won't negate that difference
the rubber transformation doesn't really do anything if it's not used against someone he can ALREADY hurt
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With his Haki, he can apply it from the inside, which produces explosions inside their body
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explosions which are probably comparable to his own AP, which is over a million times weaker than Alien X's dura.
like i said - attacking organs of someone comparable to you would do more damage, but Alien X's dura is >>>20.58 Exatons vs G5 Luffy's >>>12 Teratons.
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He can still make Alien X's insides rubbery
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which will do nothing. again - the rubbery-body-organ-punchy thing is dura neg for people on a similar level to you in AP. if someone is over 1 MILLION TIMES stronger than you, hitting their organs won't do shit.
idk how many times i'm gonna have to say luffy is physically incapable of harming alien x due to the raw stat check here
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How?
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what part do you not understand
luffy turning kaido's body to rubber and punching his organs THAT way is still just hitting him - it just bypasses the toughness of his skin because organs are lower dura
in this case, alien x would have lower dura organs than his outsides - except being over a million times stronger means luffy still wouldn't be able to hurt alien x's organs, even if they ARE weaker than his body
if i put a 9-B character against a 4-A character (as an extreme example), even with being able to hit their organs, do you think the 9-B character would be able to harm the 4-A one at all?
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Yeah, because the 4-A character doesn't have "resistance to durability negation" on their profile
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look i get what you're saying but the mechanics of how the durability negation works is relevant.
it's literally listed on his page as "minor" duraneg because all he's doing is hitting them in a weak spot by attacking their organs.
if even your weak spots are >>>>>>>>>> luffy's AP, it won't work.
you are fundamentally misunderstanding things.
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Doesn't his other form of durability negation still work though
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his other form being haki.
which works by... also attacking the opponent's insides.
on the Haki wiki page it even says:
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