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Lucy (2014 Film Lucy) vs Cain (DC Comics)
Lucy at 60%.
Is Lucy smart enough to deal with the situation?
Lucy at 60%.
Is Lucy smart enough to deal with the situation?
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Lucy (2014 Film Lucy) vs Cain (DC Comics)
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Isn't this just
- Lucy: slaps
- God: slaps back
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Isn't she smart enough to not slap?
She could also take 7x her own slap, no?
She could also take 7x her own slap, no?
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1. I see no reason as to why she should "know" about Cain's connection to The Presence, but if she does, then she walks away from the fight knowing that it is impossible to defeat Cain.DontTalkDT said:
2. If she can survive, then she gives up on the endeavor of fighting Cain as it is impossible for reasons I've already mentioned. If she doesn't - then she's dead.
Lucy either dies or BFR's herself from the fight when she learns of Cain's divine protection.
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1. Mind reading (including memories), would probably give her the knowledge she needs.
2. She can not kill him, but isn't he incapable of killing her either? His offensive capabilities don't seem that devastating according to his profile.
2. She can not kill him, but isn't he incapable of killing her either? His offensive capabilities don't seem that devastating according to his profile.
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He can't kill her. but she would not be able to kill him and likely leave since there is nothing to be done.DontTalkDT said:
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Well, she IS a supergenius, so wouldn't alternative winning conditions come to mind?
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What stakes does she have in the fight?
What's stopping her from leaving him alone and doing some better things instead of getting into a staring competition for eternity?
What's stopping her from leaving him alone and doing some better things instead of getting into a staring competition for eternity?
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Possibly something we could specify in the SBA, but I'm pretty sure mindset is such that characters will not willingly stop the battle. Otherwise many battles wouldn't even happen, cause the characters would just become friends midway...Monarch Laciel said:
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Cain: Exists
Lucy: Looks in his direction and then gtfos
Lucy: Looks in his direction and then gtfos
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Why is he terrified of Cain? That is the important part.Warren Valion said:
If it's because Cains protectors would come around and fight him, it wouldn't be relevant for this battle.
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It's because hurting Cain means death, plain and simple.
It's as if you walked into a cave and saw a bear.
Would you poke the bear, waking it up and leading up to it eating you? Or would you just walk away?
This is the same situation but on a grander scale.
Attack Reflection (Cain is under the protection of God, possessing a Mark on his forehead indicating that any person who harms him will have that same harm visited upon them sevenfold. Even Lucifer Morningstar didn't dare to harm him when Dream sent him as a messenger. When the Kindly Ones laid waste to the Dreaming, even they wouldn't hurt Cain because of his curse)
So Lucy (The Movie Character, not the Devil) would either attack Cain and die. Or BFR herself away from the fight.
This isn't rocket science.
It's as if you walked into a cave and saw a bear.
Would you poke the bear, waking it up and leading up to it eating you? Or would you just walk away?
This is the same situation but on a grander scale.
Attack Reflection (Cain is under the protection of God, possessing a Mark on his forehead indicating that any person who harms him will have that same harm visited upon them sevenfold. Even Lucifer Morningstar didn't dare to harm him when Dream sent him as a messenger. When the Kindly Ones laid waste to the Dreaming, even they wouldn't hurt Cain because of his curse)
So Lucy (The Movie Character, not the Devil) would either attack Cain and die. Or BFR herself away from the fight.
This isn't rocket science.
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Yeah, so the 7 times your own attack thing and because the presence protects him. As said, Lucy wouldn't die from her own attack times 7 and the presence can not join the battle as per battle rules. Non the less she couldn't kill him.
Sooooo.... alternative win conditions.
(As said, I believe we assume that characters don't just give up on their own)
Sooooo.... alternative win conditions.
(As said, I believe we assume that characters don't just give up on their own)
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Lucy can't kill him right.
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Nope, but quite likely incapacitate if you ask me.ABoogieYesSir said:
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Might as well bump this given recent debates.
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Mind reading? Didn't Cain had the mark from Dream which makes him resistant to any mental influence?
Of, shit, mother of necro. Sorry.
Of, shit, mother of necro. Sorry.
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It's ok. Thread is still relevant.
His profile lists no form of resistance to mental influence.
His profile lists no form of resistance to mental influence.
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Can Lucy create something to restrain him since he has Unknown lifting strength?
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Also what about this:
Cain is by nature a character that exists more in thought than in reality
Not that i know anything about Cain, just things i remember from fights with him.
Cain is by nature a character that exists more in thought than in reality
Not that i know anything about Cain, just things i remember from fights with him.
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I mean... Unknown lifting strength means normal binds may work. Though his dimensional travel might get him out of that.
That said, Lucy is a Supergenius. I have the feeling that she wouldn't have any problem whipping up some incapacitating agent in form of a gas.
Or just mind manip, if Cain really has no resistance.
That said, Lucy is a Supergenius. I have the feeling that she wouldn't have any problem whipping up some incapacitating agent in form of a gas.
Or just mind manip, if Cain really has no resistance.
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Isn't gas based incap somewhat "damage"? (Unless its done through suffocation)
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His dimensional travel is useless for binds as he can't move to escape, as a matter of fact, that happened in canon
So dimensional travel won't work.
So dimensional travel won't work.
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@Firephoenixearl: If it only puts him to sleep, I don't think so.
We had debates in that regard before, with the result that we shouldn't stretch the idea of damage too much.
We had debates in that regard before, with the result that we shouldn't stretch the idea of damage too much.
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Lucy for just uncapping him after realizing she gets hurt I guess, his lack of offensive options kinda mess him up against someone as intelligent and versatile as her.
