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Lucifer>Destiny>Monitor Sphere. So Lucifer stompsDarkHunter89 said:I agree.Demiurgic Archangel said:Thought-Robot stomps, he is higher in 1-A tier.
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Lucifer>Destiny>Monitor Sphere. So Lucifer stompsDarkHunter89 said:I agree.Demiurgic Archangel said:Thought-Robot stomps, he is higher in 1-A tier.
Refer to my comment above.SuhSuhGuhSuhSuh said:Thot Robot gets stomped
So are the monitors. They aren't even close to Lucifer. Also thisDTG499 said:Thought Robot and Mandrakk are extensions of The Overvoid. The Overvoid transcends God/The Presence in every way. So its an aspect of The Overvoid vs an aspect of The Presence. Hmm.
The overvoid is an expression of the writers, which in turn The Presence states he is not above. How is this anything but a stomp for Thought Robot?LordUrien935 said:??? The Multiversity Map shows that Destiny is above Monitor Sphere, and Lucifer is far above Destiny.
He is probably talking about the New Lucifer Series. Vishnu shows all forms of Lucifer one of which was a giant hand that resembled the hand of Great Evil Beast.Hykuu said:Of course I would provide scans, anyone who actually reads the comics who post scans
"lucifer is a reincarnation of the great evil beast" lmaooo, no idea what that guy was on about
Also, why are we ignoring the fact that Lucifer says he is omnipotent and he says, "Yes. True I am infinite and eternal.." Everybody just latches on to ths shaped by external forces part and ignores everything Mike Carey has implied about the Presence.LordUrien935 said:Are you talking about The Presence saying "but even I was shaped by forces external to me. You know what they are"
When she threatened the Raptor that she would come to the "END OF THE VOID" and rip its Masters apart. Meaning the Source Judges are either in a dimension transcending the Void's boundary/top of it. Either this means the Source > Overvoid or whatever. Makes sense considering that Perpetua rips pieces of the Overvoid then the Overvoid created the Nil Monitors as a defensive response.Hykuu said:wait when did perpetua say that
I mean you can see on the map that his chain is poking through into nil implying that's where Perpetua created the monitors and where the TR/Mandrakk came from. I don't know if destiny has been referenced with a solid connection to nil before. Has anyone seen that?By My Neck said:Grant Morrison stated on a draft version of the Map that it IS destiny.
Furthermore, the Overvoid has an "ending" according to Perpetua, where the Source Judges preside. So careful when you're flinging these huge statements around.
DC is merely adding new 1-A hierarchies with every new addition of Cosmology since new writers of DC like to make new 1-As who are stronger than the previous.Hykuu said:@By My Neck that's nearly as dumb (not from you, but from the comic) as the monitor seeing beyond the void
I hope DC retcons this event out of existence
Tbh, Only Morrison sees Overvoid as this paper. His story itself had a soft retcon in the last isaue when Superman used the MiracleMachine and literally wished the Monitors along with Monitor sphere away. Nix Uotan became human and Mandrakk survived because he fill into the Dark Multiverse. Snyder used this event to change the story. Now, Overvoid is no longer paper but the same void that DC has used for decades. Source is the boundless, infinite energy of Presence that DC has been using for decades that was later formed to a single entity we see on Vertigo. Shaped by the collective dream of humanity. That's how I see atleast.Hykuu said:@By My Neck that's nearly as dumb (not from you, but from the comic) as the monitor seeing beyond the void
I hope DC retcons this event out of existence
The same way Satya Vishnu>Narayan>MahaVishnu>VishnuBy My Neck said:This is how DC's God Tier 0 works.
Presence > Source > Overvoid > Presence
Wait what? How can one be superior to itself?
Does that mean DC's Tier 0 is an Infinitely Layered Paradox?Immortalgodd said:The same way Satya Vishnu>Narayan>MahaVishnu>Vishnu