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the Logos literally made michael in every atom in creation, cough.
I also love how my comment went unrefuted, let's keep it that way
I also love how my comment went unrefuted, let's keep it that way
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Lucifer Morningstar VS The Thought Robot
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So? TRS isn't made of atoms anyways.Hykuu said:
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I also love how you didn't even refute anything about Lucifer being beyond destiny.Hykuu said:
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If you spout some bulshit about how Lucifer is the reincarnation of what is basically God's dark side, even though in every comic before Lucifer was a direct creation by the Presence and not some reincarnation, yes, you owe it to post something that can be seen as proof.AndrewBennet said:
As much as I disagree with Hykuu, at least he shows some scans unlike you.
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@Username12 he asked for a logos feat, and yeah, everything in the monitor sphere, including the montior sphere itself is bound by yahweh's name, which is shown by the fact its STILL inside destiny's book, and Michael was sustaining all of creation and rewriting Yahweh's name within the Logos.
@Dark my bad, I didn't see your comment
"Expect Lucifer isn't beyond death or destiny, this is just straight up bullshit. The reason Death didn't claim him was because he wasn't dead yet. Even when he "omg burned the pages" of Destinys book he still was bound by destiny. "
"Lucifer's Plague, for he is OLDER than the ANGEL OF DEATH, and GREATER"
Death of the Endless was intended to be the Angel of Death within vertigo, it's not like there are any other angels of death within the vertigo context to begin with.
Lucifer himself creates his Own Concept of Death and makes Adam and Eve beyond death's grasp.
Also the already mentioned Sealing he has, making characters beyond death's grasp aswell
And no, it was consistently shown Lucifer escaped his function and the Plan
"I'm Happy to see you here,outside of the PLAN"
"Was this my function, then?
You escaped your function,
that's why I wanted to know you better."
"His jurisdiction ends here, beyond the Gate is all mine
He has no authority to permit or prescribe MY universe"
[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ZgdIUycvc...AEwzBhnYmasH19xRHueM168lv6vrStXpWUPRbuMKyw=s0 "Actually, Lilith, The Throne is Infinite, Like Lucifer's gate Only part of it extends into creation"]
"I don't have a crisis. I'm telling you, this is a simple courtesy. Yahweh's name is written in every atom of HIS creation. It's the glue which holds reality together" Incase you didn't get what this scan entails, Lucifer's creation itself operates beyond Yahweh's name and intention.
"Only Yahweh's creation, it depends on the Logos -- The Word of God, for it's Existencemy own Cosmos won't be AFFECTED"
I could go on, but I won't, but I could, hope this satisfies you.
@Dark my bad, I didn't see your comment
"Expect Lucifer isn't beyond death or destiny, this is just straight up bullshit. The reason Death didn't claim him was because he wasn't dead yet. Even when he "omg burned the pages" of Destinys book he still was bound by destiny. "
"Lucifer's Plague, for he is OLDER than the ANGEL OF DEATH, and GREATER"
Death of the Endless was intended to be the Angel of Death within vertigo, it's not like there are any other angels of death within the vertigo context to begin with.
Lucifer himself creates his Own Concept of Death and makes Adam and Eve beyond death's grasp.
Also the already mentioned Sealing he has, making characters beyond death's grasp aswell
And no, it was consistently shown Lucifer escaped his function and the Plan
"I'm Happy to see you here,outside of the PLAN"
"Was this my function, then?
You escaped your function,
that's why I wanted to know you better."
"His jurisdiction ends here, beyond the Gate is all mine
He has no authority to permit or prescribe MY universe"
[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ZgdIUycvc...AEwzBhnYmasH19xRHueM168lv6vrStXpWUPRbuMKyw=s0 "Actually, Lilith, The Throne is Infinite, Like Lucifer's gate Only part of it extends into creation"]
"I don't have a crisis. I'm telling you, this is a simple courtesy. Yahweh's name is written in every atom of HIS creation. It's the glue which holds reality together" Incase you didn't get what this scan entails, Lucifer's creation itself operates beyond Yahweh's name and intention.
"Only Yahweh's creation, it depends on the Logos -- The Word of God, for it's Existencemy own Cosmos won't be AFFECTED"
I could go on, but I won't, but I could, hope this satisfies you.
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It's good that at least you post scans, unlike the other guy who just spouts some bullshit without backing it up.Hykuu said:
However, Lucifer himsef said in a later run that everything happens because his father wills it, he is never completely outside of his grasp, nothing within the DCU really is. And again Lucifer himself said that everything will cease to exist at the end, this was a statement made directly by him.
But if you want, we can stop now. I must admit that I have a very large bias against Lucifer, as I find his character to be boring and the Mike Carey series I find to be overrated.
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Are you talking about Sandman universe? because we have no idea where that chronologically stands in the vertigo continuity, or if its something else I'd apperciate if you post a scan.
Oh well, this doesn't really have to be a debate, we can still discuss some basics about the character, bias really doesn't matter to me in the same way I like lucifer alot
Oh well, this doesn't really have to be a debate, we can still discuss some basics about the character, bias really doesn't matter to me in the same way I like lucifer alot
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The whole thing is a bit weird to me, seems sometimes that Vertigo and DCU are apart even though they're supposed to be one large multiverse.
Well it's a reaction I have towards the praise the Lucifer series gets, I found it to be very overrated.
Well it's a reaction I have towards the praise the Lucifer series gets, I found it to be very overrated.
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Ah well, alright. I think it's great that you provided scans though.Hykuu said:
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Cosmis Armor Superman is way more than that, he's a really interesting concept, in my opinion he's way more interesting than the same old "the devil is a handsome antihero" concept.JackJoyce said:
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Yeah, I don't either. It's always a big plot point that Lucifer is an archangel that was made by God and not some reincarnation. The fact the other guy doesn't want to show proof, shows me how what he said is bullshit.Hykuu said:
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The most interesting things Lucifer has done is insult prostitutes.
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CAS os definitely a better character even thpugh he has 2 apperances.
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I mean, the Thought Robot is literally just Superman stuffed inside a mecha, him having only one appearance doesn't affect his character too much
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... I'm joking
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I like more Lucifer than PC Supes anyway.
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It's a hero saves the day concept, it could've been another hero as well, but because Superman is the one that portrays hope the best, they chose him. And again, nothing against you, but tell me why Lucifer is that more interesting, because to me he's just a one note devil archetype character.JackJoyce said:
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PC Superman? Post-Crisis Superman? Pre-Crisis Superman? Which one. I'm not saying you have to like Superman, not at all, all I'm saying is that I can't see why people like Lucifer so much.EmperorRorepme said:
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Yeah, looking at just the scaling alone, Lucifer still shitstomps. Thought Robot was still equal to Mandrakk, who still sits way below Destiny, and Lucifer at worst scales to him and Michael who are near the top tier of 1-A's. Not even going into the fact he has way more experience with 1-A level beings and has consistently shown to be one of the toughest SOB's in DC. Cosmic Armor only has one showing against another similar 1-A being to him and he almost got destroyed, "m-muh adaption" not even really helping all that much.
Also i like CAS, but Lucifer is one of my personal favorite characters in DC/Vertigo and even as a diehard Supes fan i'd say Lucifer is a far more compex and interesting character (Also this isn't a personality contest, it's a fight, so whose more likeable isn't up for debate. Cmon guys you sound like "My dad is cooler than your dad" and it's petty, even for this site.)
Also i like CAS, but Lucifer is one of my personal favorite characters in DC/Vertigo and even as a diehard Supes fan i'd say Lucifer is a far more compex and interesting character (Also this isn't a personality contest, it's a fight, so whose more likeable isn't up for debate. Cmon guys you sound like "My dad is cooler than your dad" and it's petty, even for this site.)
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Well, my dad is cooler than yours.Jared1111 said:
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TRS isn't equal to Mandrakk though. Throughout their whole fight it was about TRS growing stronger opposed to Mandrakk and he did.Jared1111 said:
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Eh, they were constantly matching each other throughout the fight, even going as far as to say that they kept adapting to each other. and despite winning, Thought Robot was still damaged beyond repair. so either way he's got limits. (though i guess you could argue that since he already won he had no need to adapt and repair itself, but that's more theory than anything)
I mean, defeating a far above baseline outversal level vampire god that literally shatters apart the very essence of "story" itself isn't exactly a low end or anything, but it's still not Lucifer levels of bullshit.
I mean, defeating a far above baseline outversal level vampire god that literally shatters apart the very essence of "story" itself isn't exactly a low end or anything, but it's still not Lucifer levels of bullshit.
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Yeah Lucifer, so complex that he doesn't change at all throughout his entire series.Jared1111 said:
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Thought Robot probably snaps Lucifer's neck with his foot. The Presence essentially acknowledged that even he had a creator (this being the Overvoid), whereas Lucifer is in turn capable of being annihlated in the blink of The Presence's eye. Thought Robot probably outranks him on the DC Hierarchy and therefore is stronger than him.
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I like you more and moreHykuu said:
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Lucifer stomps, he is higher in 1-A tier.
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I agree.Demiurgic Archangel said:
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Dude I know, I was just mimicking the way the other guy argues. Writing "x gets stomped lololol" is just stupid.Hykuu said:
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Exactly. Someone did that in this thread I believe, it's not only annoying but also a bit childish if you ask me.Hykuu said:
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