Lucario Mystery of Mew and Specific Trained Pokemon Revision

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So, this is like the one problem I have with our Pokemon pages. Why do we give very "specific" Pokemon all the moves of its species? Trained Pokemon have very specific movesets and should only be given the movesets they have shown. For example Movie 8 Lucario did not show that he knew the moves of his fellow Lucario. He was also a very specifically trained Lucario as well. As such he should not follow the same rules of other Pokemon pages and should only be given the moves he has. The same should be said for all specific Pokemon belonging to trainers.

This also effects all specifically trained Pokemon from the anime as well as they should have their known abilities only as well.

Trained Game Pokemon are different because as we've seen in the games with like Cynthia's Garchomp, their movesets change constantly.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Doesnt Movie Lucario only show Aura Sphere as his move? Couldnt it just be said he prefers to use that move over the other ones given he's kept even the Regi trio at bay with it?

It would be very strange to say any pokemon in general only knows one move and thats it because they've just shown that one move.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

He has detect as well. And this is like I've stated a very specific Lucario. If this Lucario only has 2 moves, then he has 2 moves. We should not assume he has all these other techniques as like I keep saying, he isn't a random Lucario. He's a specific Lucario with specific moves.

 

[Cropfist]

I agree with this.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I suppose it's fair to clean up abilities.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

To clear things up.

This is not just the random Lucario down the street in which we can give him any move he can learn.

This Lucario specifically knows the moves Aura Sphere and Detect as well as Aura Sensing.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I agree with this

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Should we assume that he's superior to typical Lucario as well?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well AP wise he is much stronger overall.(High 6-A vs 7-A) However, like most specific trained Pokemon, he is stronger than normal.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

It's like a give and take almost.

More Power

Less Moves.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

bump

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I agree with this.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

The one issue I have with this is that, although this Lucario is specifically trained, I'm highly certain that Sir Aaron didn't train it the normal way trainers train all their Pokemon. He specifically trained Lucario to master it's aura abilities, not specific movesets.

This is stated and even shown in the movie. Lucario back then only did training to enchance his aura powers. He wasn't used like other Lucario to battle against other trainers. As a matter of fact, Pokemon in the past weren't even used the same way trainers do in the future. The closest thing to Pokemon battles in the movie's past was going at war with other armies who had pokemon and we see this at the start of it (and in the Arceus movie dont we see pokemon as more like slaves instead of being used to battle as well?)

We also have to consider that a LUCARIO knowing only 2 moves makes honestly no sense. At some point this Lucario was a riolu and I find it very hard to believe he didnt know at least the average limit of 4 moves before evolving into a Lucario (unless he wasnt given the proper training to get that many moves, which would still mean Sir Aaron wasnt experienced enough to give it that type of training outside of practicing the power of Aura). I still believe that this Lucario could have easily knew more moves but prefered to spam Aura Sphere around as its most effective tactic. Even the Regi Trio were held at bay by its Aura Sphere, so it isnt as if Lucarios tactics werent working for him. We've seen specific pokemon do this before as well (Ash's Pikachu practically starts all its battles with thunderbolt and uses other moves if it doesnt work).

So while yes this Lucario received specific training unlike other Lucario, I don't think theres evidence to suggest it was trained in the same way trainers train their Lucario or pokemon in general.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

No evidence. If he has 2 moves then he has to moves simple as that. You are going by assumptions alone. We cannot assume he knows the moves of other Lucario as he is a specific character and trained Lucario. All he knows canonically is Aura Sphere and Detect simple as that. There is nothing in the Pokemon Lore that dictates that this Lucario should have these abilities and thus we cannot assume that Sir Aaron's Lucario has Bone Rush or Me First or anything else. He has Detect and Aura Sphere. That is all. And Ash's Pikachu is a bad example as we know for a fact that he has other skills as he has shown them. As such we give him the moves he has shown. This is no different. Matter of fact what you have posted actually proves my point that he could in fact not have these skills at all.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

How is this assumption? We see more than once that Pokemon in the past were not used to the capabilities they show/have in the future due to either them not getting the right training or humans not being experienced enough to give them that training and were just used to either be slaves or used for war as the cloest thing to battle (and to make it more interesting, those pokemon hardly even used their own skill sets against each other and relied on HUMAN made armory. The fact a Steelix or a Charizard would need that when their own natural capabilites are far more impressive sounds very strange.)


Skip to 10:12- https://youtu.be/B9iVCFfRNaY

Sir Aaron clearly and specifically states he is teaching Lucario how to use its Aura better through aura training, that's it. He never trains Lucario to use specific movesets like trainers do to their own pokemon. And we even see a form of this training here at 6:35 https://youtu.be/re2cWptVDhM

His Lucario and Pokemon back then werent used in the same way trainers use their Pokemon in the future.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

That's not what I meant by assumption. I was talking about another point.

And once again, this does not prove he has all these other abilities. Matter of fact this shows that he actually does not have more than Aura Sphere and Detect.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Oh then my fault there. Nvm.

How exactly? Just because he went through training to learn one specific ability doesn't mean he doesn't have the other ones (or well, doesn't have the potential to learn them anyway). We dont even know if Sir Aaron even gave Lucario that kind of training to learn those specific moves at all and if it took them that long to give Lucario just 2 moves, do we just chalk that up to less advanced training then im guessing?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Pretty much he has a very specific 2 move moveset. As such he doesn't get move like Bone Rush or Me First. Not to mention said moves like Me First didn't exist at the time.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Ah I see, makes sense.

Kk I now agree with this.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So, I guess I'll just go on and make the changes then.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Im surprised Cal didnt give his input towards this ovo