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Low 7-C Tournament Round 1 Match 4. Right Hand Man vs Peacock

Alright, basically Peacock is ranged fighter and her moveset is designed as distance keepeк and different projectilу spammer. Both have time stop options (ironically via JoJo reference), but they're quite OOC (like, we see RHM using it once iirc and for Peacock it's one of specials) and if you consider one using time stop you can consider same for another.
Both can shoot laser beams so you can argue it for both as option as well.
RHM apparently is baseline (1 Kiloton of TNT) via upscaling to Henry, Peacock scales to Marie who is 2.39 Kilotons of TNT, basically this means Peacock have 2.39 times AP advantage.
In bonus Peacock have her toon force, not as crazy as WB or Disney toon forces but still useful, her goons can be very helpful and what's more ironic Peacock technically "fought herself" (Double who is basically Shang Tsung/Mokujin/Seth of the Skullgirls verse), so she basically have experience with her own playstyle as strange as it can sound.
So, now I'll vote for Peacock basically both can evenly throw stuff at each other but Peacock seems more versatile, probably more experienced and have an AP advantage as a bonus.
 
While it’s true that it was used once, Right Hand Man actually used Bottled Time knowing he saw Reference as one of the strongest spirits, so with Peacock, he’d be sure to use it if he sees her as powerful. In that case, if Peacock even attempts to range spam (especially since she is stronger), he will use Bottled Time to get closer while being faster. When he uses it, it starts up as a time slow for a few seconds so he can dodge the attacks with ease, and after a minute while its still active, it would develop to a full time stop once enough sands of time are collected.

When it comes to his other options, his Forcefield is capable of blocking bullets and even bouncing the bullets back that hit it while his lasers would easily be more effective than Peacock’s bullets since they can vaporize 3 people at once (although those 3 were weaker than him).
 
Psychomaster35 said:
While it’s true that it was used once, Right Hand Man actually used Bottled Time knowing he saw Reference as one of the strongest spirits, so with Peacock, he’d be sure to use it if he sees her as powerful. In that case, if Peacock even attempts to range spam (especially since she is stronger), he will use Bottled Time to get closer while being faster. When he uses it, it starts up as a time slow for a few seconds so he can dodge the attacks with ease, and after a minute while its still active, it would develop to a full time stop once enough sands of time are collected.
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I mean, the fact that it was used in one occasion between quite many moments he could use it against Henry/on team with Henry, could mean he'll probably start with basic lasers or barrier and other stuff at first. Even then, Peacock generally still can perform many moves as well as there's there's still Avery who can jump out to RHM in a middle of fight with Time Stop x Road Roller.
Psychomaster35 said:
When it comes to his other options, his Forcefield is capable of blocking bullets and even bouncing the bullets back that hit it while his lasers would easily be more effective than Peacock’s bullets since they can vaporize 3 people at once (although those 3 were weaker than him).
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While forcefield feels like option but bullets are like one of many Peacock's moves, for instance one of her other options are bombs which will run towards RHM and explode in contact, or her other goons which will also act in combat.
Potentially there are even many combos Peacock can perform in CQC which could deal big damage to RHM or even end this fight quite quickly:
 
Oleggator said:
I mean, the fact that it was used in one occasion between quite many moments he could use it against Henry/on team with Henry, could mean he'll probably start with basic lasers or barrier and other stuff at first. Even then, Peacock generally still can perform many moves as well as there's there's still Avery who can jump out to RHM
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He never used it because he knew Henry was far weaker than him, but when he fought his Cybernetic form and recognized Reference to be powerful, he knew exactly to counter with Bottled Time.

Also, Peacock needed to build up her special while RHM could use it right away when he wants to.
Oleggator said:
While forcefield feels like option but bullets are like one of many Peacock's moves, for instance one of her other options are bombs which will run towards RHM and explode in contact
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In the case of seeing multiple people against him, once again, he leads with lasers that would disintegrate them quickly. Not to mention that to counteract any of her grounded moves he simply flies. Plus, given how he could take a blade stab from Henry to the neck without it doing much damage to him, Peacock's bullets would deal the same thing as Henry's blade to RHM.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
He never used it because he knew Henry was far weaker than him, but when he fought his Cybernetic form and recognized Reference to be powerful, he knew exactly to counter with Bottled Time.

Also, Peacock needed to build up her special while RHM could use it right away when he wants to.
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I mean, even then it would likely require time for RHM to realise Peacock is more powerful than him. So while it feels like option he still need to realise it as well.
Psychomaster35 said:
In the case of seeing multiple people against him, once again, he leads with lasers that would disintegrate them quickly. Not to mention that to counteract any of her grounded moves he simply flies.
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I mean, in that case it was basically humans who are weaker than him and Henry, while on this case the only goons you can assume as weaker than RHM are...bombs...? Others are should be ± relative to Peacock (for instance Andy, one of Peacock's main goons not only helps to Peacock in lore but also likely fought against Beowulf, a guy who also scales higher than RHM). In a bonus against flight, Peacock can throw stuff from up the air and well, still use her small bomb goons but which this time will fly on plane. Another fact which worth to mention that even cheap combo effectively worked on RHM, if Peacock will reach to RHM with her own moves it is likely that performing combos will put RHM at quite bad situation to say the least.
 
"Potentially there are even many combos Peacock can perform in CQC which could deal big damage to RHM or even end this fight quite quickly:"



"Also, Peacock needed to build up her special while RHM could use it right away when he wants to."

Needing to build up her specials is game mechanics, she uses them multipl times without having to build them up in the cinematics

"In the case of seeing multiple people against him, once again, he leads with lasers that would disintegrate them quickly. Not to mention that to counteract any of her grounded moves he simply flies. Plus, given how he could take a blade stab from Henry to the neck without it doing much damage to him, Peacock's bullets would deal the same thing as Henry's blade to RHM."

And they in turn would block it with forcefields or teleport away. Peacock has the range, teleportation, and flight to counteract RHM flying away. Henry is weaker than RHM, Peacock is stronger than him, why would him taking a blade stab from somone weaker than him mean that he can shrug off bullets that can kill people over 2x strongr than him?
 
Peppersalt43 said:
Heh heh, right hand man : 0
Heh heh, pea**** : 0
Incon : 0
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1. Him losing to base Henry is an outlier and abusing game mechanics
2. Not that she starts off with it anyways
3. She can block, but not omnidirectionally like RHM’s forcefield. Also, this was Cybernetic Henry doing the sword stab on RHM, and he is supposed to be much stronger than before to the point of matching him which is something his base form consistently gets stomped by.
 
Considering RHM actually used Bottled Time upon recognizing Henry as an actual threat (kind of), he probably will use it on Peacock as well. assuming he don't disintigrate her first with his lasers
 
"2. Not that she starts off with it anyways"

RHM doesnt start off with Bottled Time either, he has only used it once despite there being dozens of instances where he could have used it, many of which would have saved his life if he did.

"3. She can block, but not omnidirectionally like RHM’s forcefield. Also, this was Cybernetic Henry doing the sword stab on RHM, and he is supposed to be much stronger than before to the point of matching him which is something his base form consistently gets stomped by."

RHM's profile literally says he's stronger than cybernetic Henry ('Kept up with Cyborg Henry and managed to overpower him in their fight') and even then Cybernetic Henry is still baseline, while Peacock is over 2x stronger. So again, why would taking a stab from someone weaker than himself mean that he can take a stab from someone over 2x stronger than himself?

"Considering RHM actually used Bottled Time upon recognizing Henry as an actual threat (kind of), he probably will use it on Peacock as well."

RHM literally only used Bottled Time in one fight out of the dozens of combat scenarios in the game, many of which resulted in his defeat or death which would have been easily prevented if he had used Bottled Time, so can you honestly say that he would use Bottled Time as a go-to move? On top of that, Peacock can also timestop him just as easily with Avery.

"assuming he don't disintigrate her first with his lasers"

What proof is there that his lasers can disintegrate people stronger than him?
 
Spinoirr said:
"2. Not that she starts off with it anyways"

RHM doesnt start off with Bottled Time either, he has only used it once despite there being dozens of instances where he could have used it, many of which would have saved his life if he did.
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Nobody said he'll start with it. He will however use it if he sees Peacock as a threat
Spinoirr said:
"3. She can block, but not omnidirectionally like RHM’s forcefield. Also, this was Cybernetic Henry doing the sword stab on RHM, and he is supposed to be much stronger than before to the point of matching him which is something his base form consistently gets stomped by."
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Henry didn't really matched him though. Even with the Cybernetics RHM wad still stronger, but it turned from a stomp to a decisive win (both in RHM's favor)
Spinoirr said:
RHM's profile literally says he's stronger than cybernetic Henry ('Kept up with Cyborg Henry and managed to overpower him in their fight') and even then Cybernetic Henry is still baseline, while Peacock is over 2x stronger. So again, why would taking a stab from someone weaker than himself mean that he can take a stab from someone over 2x stronger than himself?
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Cybernetic Henry is baseline by being >>>>> His Base form, and Cyborg RHM overpowered him. Regardless, even a 2 times advantage is not enough to one shot, and Immortality Type 2 would mean he can take being stabbed
Spinoirr said:
"Considering RHM actually used Bottled Time upon recognizing Henry as an actual threat (kind of), he probably will use it on Peacock as well."

RHM literally only used Bottled Time in one fight out of the dozens of combat scenarios in the game, many of which resulted in his defeat or death which would have been easily prevented if he had used Bottled Time, so can you honestly say that he would use Bottled Time as a go-to move? On top of that, Peacock can also timestop him just as easily with Avery.
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He literally didn't need to use his Bottled Time in any other scenario, as that was the only time he saw Henry as even remotely threatening to him. In the scenarios he either killed Henry easily, or got tricked by him, and the two other wins he did (one with Ellie and the other with abusing game mechanics) are outliers, so they don't count. The only time he legit defeated him in a battle is with the Y-type move (which RHM literally had no way to know he had it, so he couldn't counter it)

And does she starts with this either?
Spinoirr said:
"assuming he don't disintigrate her first with his lasers"

What proof is there that his lasers can disintegrate people stronger than him?
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Because hax normally negates durability? That's what assumed unless shown otherwise
 
Peppersalt43 said:
I allowed RHM in this tournament under the assumption that he won't instantly disintegrate his opponent. I think in the tournament thread @Psychomaster35 had a video of stronger opponents tanking his lazer
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It's hax. Unless you made a haxless tournament then stuff like this can happen.

That said, it isn't thought based and can be dodged, so it shouldn't be unfair, especially since she is stronger and have abilities of her own
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
It's hax. Unless you made a haxless tournament then stuff like this can happen.

That said, it isn't thought based and can be dodged, so it shouldn't be unfair, especially since she is stronger and have abilities of her own
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This is the video @Psychomaster35 sent to convince me that he doesn't one-shot


Also I stated in the tournament that a character's hax can't grant an instant win and if it does, it can't be a starting move. This is RHM's generic starting move
 
"Cybernetic Henry is baseline by being >>>>> His Base form, and Cyborg RHM overpowered him. Regardless, even a 2 times advantage is not enough to one shot, and Immortality Type 2 would mean he can take being stabbed"

Marie performed her Low 7-C feat while holding back immensely, and Peacock not only casually killed her when Marie stopped holding back, but casually killed multiple people who in their own timelines also killed Marie in the same circumstances.

"He literally didn't need to use his Bottled Time in any other scenario, as that was the only time he saw Henry as even remotely threatening to him. In the scenarios he either killed Henry easily, or got tricked by him, and the two other wins he did (one with Ellie and the other with abusing game mechanics) are outliers, so they don't count. The only time he legit defeated him in a battle is with the Y-type move (which RHM literally had no way to know he had it, so he couldn't counter it)"

So basically, the only time he lead with Bottled Time was because he knew about Henry's Spirit's capabilities beforehand, something he doesnt have here as he has no prior knowledge of Peacock or her capabilities, and the other fights he either won via AP/Speed (Neither of which he has an advantage in here), lost via being tricked (Which is more than likely to happen given Peacock's unpredictable nature), or lost due to not knowing about his opponent's capabilities (Which he doesnt here either).

"Because hax normally negates durability? That's what assumed unless shown otherwise"

Thats the thing though, what is the proof that its hax and not AP? A laser with just 9-A AP would disintegrate a normal person just through sheer AP, let alone a Low 7-C laser. What proof is it that its actual hax and not just disintegrating through sheer AP? By this logic you can argue that Peacock also has disintegrating hax because she disintegrated the Skull Heart.
 
Spinoirr said:
Thats the thing though, what is the proof that its hax and not AP? A laser with just 9-A AP would disintegrate a normal person just through sheer AP, let alone a Low 7-C laser. What proof is it that its actual hax and not just disintegrating through sheer AP? By this logic you can argue that Peacock also has disintegrating hax because she disintegrated the Skull Heart.
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Because the humans in Henry Stickmin are not normal humans. Henry have some 8-A feats he scales to and has been defeated or knocked out by regular people in his verse before. It's just that literally everyone in the verse are this powerful normally

And yes normally we assume hax negates durability by default unless shown otherwise
 
"Because the humans in Henry Stickmin are not normal humans. Henry have some 8-A feats he scales to and has been defeated or knocked out by regular people in his verse before. It's just that literally everyone in the verse are this powerful normally

And yes normally we assume hax negates durability by default unless shown otherwise"

Again, what proof is there that its hax-based? Even with them being that strong, RHMR can still disintegrate them without it being hax-based just through sheer AP as none of the normal people scale to cyborg Henry. I mean look at when base Henry tried to kick RHMR
 
Anyway, yeah, I'm pretty much still voting for Peacock. Stronger, experinced, goons, versatile, what RHM can throw Peacock can throw pretty much as well.
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Because the humans in Henry Stickmin are not normal humans. Henry have some 8-A feats he scales to and has been defeated or knocked out by regular people in his verse before. It's just that literally everyone in the verse are this powerful normally
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You should really come back. An FRA train is pretty close to starting and you haven't seen the video I showed you
 
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