low 2-C GER thread (and precognition).....yeah this isn't gonna go well but worth a shot anyways

[ZillertheBucko]

Now first of all I'd like to say that the stand stats referring to none means that they are impossible to measure by the existing stand stats, which is acknowledged in the speed section of GER's profile
and his profile also shows that we acknowledge that the stand stats can use infinity as a measurement
and as we all know, stand stats share the same system of ABCDE, so it should be logical to say that it can be used for other stats as well
so we know that his speed is higher than infinite, and we know that his other stats are ranked the same as his speed
yes, I'm going there
possibly low 2-C, key word POSSIBLY
what I'm proposing are these changes

powers and abilities: add possibly accelerated development due to having a "none" in developmental potential
add possible precognition due to him being able to seemingly know what was in diavolo's prediction when he says that the actions will never occur

Attack potency: At least large building+ (superior to star platinum, the world, and red hot chili pepper) possibly universal+ (ranked "none" in attack power, which is described to be due to the the inability to be measured by stand stats, while infinity has been used to measure stand stats before)

Durability: same reasoning
Striking strength: same reasoning
speed: keep the same as on profile currently, except make it possibly infinite for physical attacks because of stand stats and the fact that he completely blitzes diavolo by throwing a pebble laser at him
range: keep at low multiversal, but add the supporting reasoning of stand stats
stamina: same stuff, possibly limitless with GER due to stand stats again

addressing possible counterarguments

1. argument: "stand stats aren't reliable"
answer: not only is this very debatable, we have used them for made in heaven and GER's speed already, so the wiki doesn't care it seems
2. argument: If he has univeral+ attack power then he should have killed divaolo
answer: we know that revert to zero is able to undo Diavolo dying, and it's likely that he did die when he fell into the river and we just reverted
regardless, GER upscales from the strongest stands, such as star platinum, so to say that he isn't able to kill diavolo if he really wanted to is less likely, especially considering he piereced his hand effortlessly
3. argument: there are no feats to support this, and the infinite speed stats don't necessarily apply to the other stats
answer: that's why it's only possibly low 2-C





why do I do these things to myself...

 

[DaReaperMan]

Stand stats are so incredibly inconsistent and that would only grant a "possibly far higher" anyway.

 

[Livinmeme]

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[ZillertheBucko]

Stand stats are so incredibly inconsistent and that would only grant a "possibly far higher" anyway.

alright, I edited the post
what are your thoughts now

 

[Chariot190]

Infinity has never been used for any Stand in regards to Attack/Destructive Power. Highest is A or above, which is still just A.

GER upscales above every Stand in attack output, even ignoring the stats, he's outright stated to have an attack power exceeding all existing Stands. So ok cool. But that's just like, High 8-C+ atm, nothing much beyond that.

The issue with your proposal? No Stand in the entire verse uses an Infinite Attack Stat (Speed, Duration, Stamina, Range, all have Infinity being used, and GER actually does scale, or at least, RTZ does, via it's own feats at that (RTZ putting Diavolo into an eternal deathloop is a pretty obvious example of infinite duration, etc) or has an ability that would qualify being ranked.

But in order to actually scale GER using stats, a Stand actually has to exist with said Stat in the first place.
MIH? Has a B for power in its stats because physically it's just a average power type, nothing special, it's uni shit isn't rated in its stats nor is it an actual offensive attack output so GER cant scale above it for his AP.

Tusk and Ball Breaker? Same thing, their own physical stats are what's being rated, not the Infinite Rotation, thus, GER can't scale above it for his own AP.

And uh, that's literally it, nothing else in canon hits 3-A or above even if you stretch it.

And that's assuming GER's None in his Attack Stat is talking about his own physical prowess, and not RTZ, the ability, which it very well might be.

 

[M3X_2.0]

bruh

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Infinity has never been used for any Stand in regards to Attack/Destructive Power. Highest is A or above, which is still just A.

GER upscales above every Stand in attack output, even ignoring the stats, he's outright stated to have an attack power exceeding all existing Stands. So ok cool. But that's just like, High 8-C+ atm, nothing much beyond that.

The issue with your proposal? No Stand in the entire verse uses an Infinite Attack Stat (Speed, Duration, Stamina, Range, all have Infinity being used, and GER actually does scale, or at least, RTZ does, via it's own feats at that (RTZ putting Diavolo into an eternal deathloop is a pretty obvious example of infinite duration, etc) or has an ability that would qualify being ranked.

But in order to actually scale GER using stats, a Stand actually has to exist with said Stat in the first place.
MIH? Has a B for power in its stats because physically it's just a average power type, nothing special, it's uni shit isn't rated in its stats nor is it an actual offensive attack output so GER cant scale above it for his AP.

Tusk and Ball Breaker? Same thing, they're own physical stats are what's being rated, not the Infinite Rotation, thus, GER can't scale above it for his own AP.

And uh, that's literally it, nothing else in canon hits 3-A or above even if you stretch it.

And that's assuming GER's None in his Attack Stat is talking about his own physical prowess, and not RTZ, the ability, which it very well might be.

I had no idea infinity had been used for stats other than speed, so I think it makes it more likely that infinite attack power can exist too
but even if that's not good enough proof, I'm only trying to argue that it's a possibile quantification for the existing likely far higher on its profile, since I know that there's not enough proof for an actual low 2-C rating
if he's stated to have attack power greater than all stands even outside of the stand stats saying it, then it's possible it compares to tusk act 4 and whatnot, but that's definitely questionable due to if part 7 and 8 count for that statement

as for stamina, at least we agree that it should be limitless
fair point still with the stats not having infinite attack, I also didn't realize that the translation for that stat was "duration" since I have heard many things such as durability, "staying", endurance, and some others for that

return to zero has no destructive power though, so I don't see how that would result in that stat being what it is

also since you're here, what are your thoughts on precog and accelerated development?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

bruh

yeah yeah I know I know
I just hadn't ever seen anybody bring up this point before, so I was just wondering what people thought about it
I don't really expect all the changes to go through, just a few of them

 

[M3X_2.0]

I'm trying to convince Chariot to accept a Tier 3 scaling for GER like right now

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I'm trying to convince Chariot to accept a Tier 3 scaling for GER like right now

Hmmm
Thinking about it now, maybe high 3-A would be more realistic than low 2-C actually

 

[Chariot190]

not only is this very debatable, we have used them for made in heaven and GER's speed already, so the wiki doesn't care it seems

It isn't debatable, at all, the wiki only uses Stand stats when they're either proven true, or hyperspecific, because otherwise, they're either inconsistent or way to ******* vague to use. Like goddamn, Whitesnake's D in speed, a famous example, if it wasn't for Araki straight up coming out and going "oh yeah, that D is for the acid melting, his ACTUAL speed is an A lol" we would have had no ******* idea, and that's half the issue.

MIH's stand stat is not only a hyperspecific example, it's straight up proven true and demonstrably like, it's main schtick. GER's is also a notable exception, but there needs to be actual things to scale him off, which there is none here.

we know that revert to zero is able to undo Diavolo dying, and it's likely that he did die when he fell into the river and we just reverted

He did yes, but if GER punched him with low 2-C attack power, that would've been it, there would have been no second punch.

regardless, GER upscales from the strongest stands, such as star platinum, so to say that he isn't able to kill diavolo if he really wanted to is less likely, especially considering he piereced his hand effortlessly

Nobody is saying he can't kill King Crimson, he literally does, but "he's stronger than Star Platinum" is a far cry from "he's literally infinitely stronger than Star Platinum and could crack the universe like an egg with his punch".

that's why it's only possibly low 2-C

Literally not how it works, that's not a "possibly", in that case you may as well make his ass 2-A too, has just about as much going for it, half the reason why speed scaling to infinite is even a thing is because we see first hand that Infinite, at least for speed, isn't hyperbolic, it's literal. And the fact there actually exists Stands with said rating to scale off.

I had no idea infinity had been used for stats other than speed, so I think it makes it more likely that infinite attack power can exist too

And not every example is literally infinite, Infinite Range from BIG? Not truly infinite, it's a bit hyperbolic, just he doesn't have a host. What's a HYPOETHTICAL Infinite attack stat, is it actually infinite? Is it not? How the **** do you know? How the **** do we know? We don't, because it LITERALLY doesn't exist.

but even if that's not good enough proof, I'm only trying to argue that it's a possibile quantification for the existing likely far higher on its profile, since I know that there's not enough proof for an actual low 2-C rating

Yeah and? It could be anywhere from 0.0000001% higher towhatever the ****, we're not listing him as low 2-C physically, ever, there exists, quite literally nothing, to even suggest that. Even with an Infinite stat existing it still wouldn't be Low 2-C, it'd be High 3-A, and that's assuming it's hyper literal, which we don't know because it doesn't exist.

if he's stated to have attack power greater than all stands even outside of the stand stats saying it, then it's possible it compares to tusk act 4 and whatnot, but that's definitely questionable due to if part 7 and 8 count for that statement

Nope, that statement predates Part 7, the only way to scale GER above Part 7 Stands would be None, which still rings true to this day, which sure, ok, makes sense, but Act 4 and Ball Breaker's stats don't consider the Infinite Rotation. So yeah, not happening. They don't count, GER only scales ability-wise (so RTZ) and stat wise, that's honestly it.

as for stamina, at least we agree that it should be limitless

No because again, that's far more likely referring to RTZ, given RTZ is what is shown to have an actual feat of lasting for literally ******* forever.

fair point still with the stats not having infinite attack, I also didn't realize that the translation for that stat was "duration" since I have heard many things such as durability, "staying", endurance, and some others for that

It's a **** ton of things, it's the vaguest stat of them all.

return to zero has no destructive power though, so I don't see how that would result in that stat being what it is

So? Neither does Purple Haze's virus, but that's A. Attack power stat isn't always for physicals, it could be for abilities, or how dangerous they are. Half the reason why we don't just list any Stand with an A in power above other Stands. Purple Haze being a prime example.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

It isn't debatable, at all, the wiki only uses Stand stats when they're either proven true, or hyperspecific, because otherwise, they're either inconsistent or way to ******* vague to use. Like goddamn, Whitesnake's D in speed, a famous example, if it wasn't for Araki straight up coming out and going "oh yeah, that D is for the acid melting, his ACTUAL speed is an A lol" we would have had no ******* idea, and that's half the issue.

MIH's stand stat is not only a hyperspecific example, it's straight up proven true and demonstrably like, it's main schtick. GER's is also a notable exception, but there needs to be actual things to scale him off, which there is none here.



He did yes, but if GER punched him with low 2-C attack power, that would've been it, there would have been no second punch.



Nobody is saying he can't kill King Crimson, he literally does, but "he's stronger than Star Platinum" is a far cry from "he's literally infinitely stronger than Star Platinum and could crack the universe like an egg with his punch".



Literally not how it works, that's not a "possibly", in that case you may as well make his ass 2-A too, has just about as much going for it, half the reason why speed scaling to infinite is even a thing is because we see first hand that Infinite, at least for speed, isn't hyperbolic, it's literal. And the fact there actually exists Stands with said rating to scale off.



And not every example is literally infinite, Infinite Range from BIG? Not truly infinite, it's a bit hyperbolic, just he doesn't have a host. What's a HYPOETHTICAL Infinite attack stat, is it actually infinite? Is it not? How the **** do you know? How the **** do we know? We don't, because it LITERALLY doesn't exist.



Yeah and? It could be anywhere from 0.0000001% higher towhatever the ****, we're not listing him as low 2-C physically, ever, there exists, quite literally nothing, to even suggest that. Even with an Infinite stat existing it still wouldn't be Low 2-C, it'd be High 3-A, and that's assuming it's hyper literal, which we don't know because it doesn't exist.



Nope, that statement predates Part 7, the only way to scale GER above Part 7 Stands would be None, which still rings true to this day, which sure, ok, makes sense, but Act 4 and Ball Breaker's stats don't consider the Infinite Rotation. So yeah, not happening. They don't count, GER only scales ability-wise (so RTZ) and stat wise, that's honestly it.



No because again, that's far more likely referring to RTZ, given RTZ is what is shown to have an actual feat of lasting for literally ******* forever.



It's a **** ton of things, it's the vaguest stat of them all.



So? Neither does Purple Haze's virus, but that's A. Attack power stat isn't always for physicals, it could be for abilities, or how dangerous they are. Half the reason why we don't just list any Stand with an A in power above other Stands. Purple Haze being a prime example.

GER obviously held back against Diavolo anyways, since in the vast majority of stand fights, attacks that should easily kill them never do
Why can Jotaro bash Dio’s skull in and donut him, and after a long beat down steely Dan survived
And the time he pummeled a shark and it didn’t explode into a million pieces
An insanely angry Josuke beat the shut out of Rohan and he survived, and there are hundreds of examples
the fact that we know GER wasn’t using its full power is enough to say for sure that it’s not a valid argument that he didn’t kill Diavolo, which was the point of me saying that
He did not hit him with a low 2-C attack, there is no way he needed to do that in the first place
Also yeah it’s probably high 3-A
Also wdym, BIG infinite range is perfectly valid since it literally stays on a plane while the user’s body is still at the place where they took off, there is no reason to say that it doesn’t have infinite range
although I thought the only infinite it had in the first place was speed, not range
Purple haze power referring virus and not physical strength seems unlikely unless you have a statement confirming that, since we do see that purple haze is physically stronger than man in the mirror, and is capable of easily beating him down
but even so, the virus is still something that does damage and destroys what it touches, while return to zero has no direct offensive properties so you’re not gonna be able to get off with just that explanation either

Yeah “durability” stat is vague

As for the big thing of AP proof, let’s see
We have a likely creation feat with the death loop currently being accepted as multiversal
We have multiple stand stats, which all use the same measuring system, being able to go up to infinity, and then destruction power for some reason being an exception even though there’s nothing to suggest that. Seems a bit fishy to me
The white snake D in speed was explained via a statement, so it’s not an inconsistency, especially considering most speed stats refer to the attack’s speed and not the physical speed
But of course, a normal stand stat rating such as D is still far more likely to be inconsistent then a rating of infinite or none, which is absolutely never contradicted at any point in the series
there are also easy explanations for every stand stat “inconsistency” I currently know of, I promise you

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Let me rephrase
Purple haze virus isn’t just exclusively internal disease damage, since we see that it can physically destroy infected things in short amounts of time
so yes, it can still be considered destructive power

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

GER obviously held back against Diavolo anyways, since in the vast majority of stand fights, attacks that should easily kill them never do
Why can Jotaro bash Dio’s skull in and donut him, and after a long beat down steely Dan survived
And the time he pummeled a shark and it didn’t explode into a million pieces
An insanely angry Josuke beat the shut out of Rohan and he survived, and there are hundreds of examples
the fact that we know GER wasn’t using its full power is enough to say for sure that it’s not a valid argument that he didn’t kill Diavolo, which was the point of me saying that
He did not hit him with a low 2-C attack, there is no way he needed to do that in the first place
Also yeah it’s probably high 3-A
Also wdym, BIG infinite range is perfectly valid since it literally stays on a plane while the user’s body is still at the place where they took off, there is no reason to say that it doesn’t have infinite range
although I thought the only infinite it had in the first place was speed, not range
Purple haze power referring virus and not physical strength seems unlikely unless you have a statement confirming that, since we do see that purple haze is physically stronger than man in the mirror, and is capable of easily beating him down
but even so, the virus is still something that does damage and destroys what it touches, while return to zero has no direct offensive properties so you’re not gonna be able to get off with just that explanation either

Yeah “durability” stat is vague

As for the big thing of AP proof, let’s see
We have a likely creation feat with the death loop currently being accepted as multiversal
We have multiple stand stats, which all use the same measuring system, being able to go up to infinity, and then destruction power for some reason being an exception even though there’s nothing to suggest that. Seems a bit fishy to me
The white snake D in speed was explained via a statement, so it’s not an inconsistency, especially considering most speed stats refer to the attack’s speed and not the physical speed
But of course, a normal stand stat rating such as D is still far more likely to be inconsistent then a rating of infinite or none, which is absolutely never contradicted at any point in the series
there are also easy explanations for every stand stat “inconsistency” I currently know of, I promise you

Why the heck are you even comparing the likes of Giorno, to people like Jotaro?? Giorno actively kills people, like bruh.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Why the heck are you even comparing the likes of Giorno, to people like Jotaro?? Giorno actively kills people, like bruh.

Did ciocolatta even die after the 7 page muda

 

[Chariot190]

GER obviously held back against Diavolo anyways, since in the vast majority of stand fights, attacks that should easily kill them never do

Obviously? Based on? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical, there is no evidence to say if he did or didn't. Claiming he held back is complete conjecture.
Doesn't matter, not only is that an excuse, it doesn't matter if he held back or not, him holding back means literally **** all.
If he held back, all that would mean is he's just above 8-C if he held back, that's all it means.
Which yeah, he is. And no, that's not how it works, ignoring the fact Diavolo is almost never touched, this is still a completely ******* ridiculous leap in logic. If he Held back? You'd need to prove he held back by an infinite amount.

Why can Jotaro bash Dio’s skull in and donut him, and after a long beat down steely Dan survived

Jotaro explicitly holds back against most of his foes and explicitly didnt hold back against Dio.
Gio on the other hand, doesn't, in fact actually what the ****, GER clearly didn't hold back given he ******* killed Diavolo. Jotaro held back as to not kill his opponents. Gio is not only one to not hold back and has said as much himself, but given Diavolo straight up ******* died and fell apart, he clearly didn't pull his punches.

And the time he pummeled a shark and it didn’t explode into a million pieces

No he just ragdolled it and killed and launched it like 50m instead with a shit eating grin because he was having fun. Do you not know what a false equivalence is?
Because you're doing nothing but that, as usual, and it's getting aggravating.
Jotaro holds back because it's in his character to, he doesn't want to kill, so he tends to avoid it if he can. Gio is the opposite, he inherited Dio's ruthlessness and goes out of his way to kill his opponents unless given a blatant reason not to, he gives zero ***** if he kills you and will do so if the option presents itself unless you're a good person, and if you're not, he'd even kill you after you can't even fight anymore just to make sure you don't become a issue again or because you deserve it. Against Diavolo, he did exactly that, he killed him, tore him apart, he didn't pull his punches, assuming he did is such a ******* ridiculous assumption that I shouldn't even have to point out why the pissed off dude who's avenging his allies and wants his opponent dead and proceeds to brutalize him so hard while yelling in a flurry of fists to the point the opponent DIES, keyword there, isn't holding back, at best it was casual, but casual isn't holding back an infinite amount, it's just not going full tilt.

An insanely angry Josuke beat the shut out of Rohan and he survived, and there are hundreds of examples

And Rohan survived getting his ******* back blown out by BTD, and cool, Josuke, the JoJo famous for being kind and having the kindest ability to the point his ability specializes in healing and helping others, not killing someone (Which fyi, Josuke never willingly kills, he avoids killing too, usually opting for fusionism instead for those who he thinks deserves death, that's right, even those he wants dead he opts to give them an alternative). So, again, how is someone who avoids killing and thus might pull a punch or two the same as someone who has no qualms at killing and actively kills his foes, evidence that said character held back against a character that said alleged held back punches ******* KILLED.
Diavolo didn't survive, he ******* died, GER didn't pull his punches so he could live or just to cripple him and incap, no GER caved his skull in and tore him apart. Your reasoning is completely ass backwards.

the fact that we know GER wasn’t using its full power is enough to say for sure that it’s not a valid argument that he didn’t kill Diavolo, which was the point of me saying that

No, we don't know GER wasn't using his full strength. Nothing says he was holding back, nothing says he had more strength to spare, we don't know **** all in regards to this, acting like we do, let alone acting like your completely baffling equivalences to characters who prefer to avoid killing as reason why Gio, who's known for killing, was actually secretly holding back an infinite amount of power, against a dude he was actively trying to and indeed did, kill, isn't gonna cut it.

He did not hit him with a low 2-C attack, there is no way he needed to do that in the first place

He didn't need to yeah, but just because he didn't need to use low 2-C power to kill Diavolo, doesn't mean he had the option to nor could he have. Burden of proof is on you dude, "GER might have not being using his full strength so universal AP is a possibility" isn't how we do things here, we need actual solid reasoning to believe he held back, quite literally, an infinite amount, and we also need reason to believe that, his peak is uni to begin with, and going "well shit infinite stats exists so infinite attack power in theory does too" isn't gonna cut it, no feats, no evidence, and it doesn't even exist and is just conjecture. There is no such reasoning unless you resort to mental gymnastics, which we aren't going to accept.

Also yeah it’s probably high 3-A

No it's not even that, it's ******* nothing dude, GER doesn't have Uni physical stats, unless Hirohiko himself comes out and is like "Ger has an attack output exceeding all Stands/Abilities/etc" then yeah we might, but it'd need to be a new one, and it'd have to at least, at minimum, factor in the Infinite Rotation at it's peak, without such new evidence which doesnt yet exist, we're not going to wank him to such a degree via a hypothetical potential infinite stat that literally does not exist.

Also wdym, BIG infinite range is perfectly valid since it literally stays on a plane while the user’s body is still at the place where they took off, there is no reason to say that it doesn’t have infinite range

Can BIG dimension hop? Can BIG hit you from the end of the universe while on the other side? Can BIG, etc? No, BIG can't, his Infinite range is simply the fact he doesn't have a host so he isn't bound to a manifestation range, it's not infinite literally, it's more like he simply doesn't have one. There still exists Stands that have actual range above what BIG can do, but BIG's infinite stat is talking about something specific, it's not infinite in any meaningful way. Hell, WOU or even Anubis have, technically, the same stat as BIG, they just don't have their range stat listing that specific type of range, that being manifestation.

although I thought the only infinite it had in the first place was speed, not range

The ****** has 3 infinite stats, the issue is that while they're infinite, they're talking about something super specific. Stand stats in general can mean and refer to many things, BIG's stats hyperfocuses key aspects of it.

Purple haze power referring virus and not physical strength seems unlikely unless you have a statement confirming that, since we do see that purple haze is physically stronger than man in the mirror, and is capable of easily beating him down

And Man In the Mirror and Moody Blues aren't that far off from each other in power, who has ******* dogshit physical stats.
Purple Haze, is in a scaling chain, with one of the physically weakest Stands known to man, to such a degree, that Abach may as well be powerless or not have a stand when it comes to fighting, and PH's best feat is simply 9-B, even in noncanon, multiple noncanon's even, he peaks at 9-B hilariously enough. Purple Haze physically ******* blows, has absolutely nothing and scales to characters that actively cripple his ability to be even somewhat strong. And statements? Lad you have no idea.

but even so, the virus is still something that does damage and destroys what it touches, while return to zero has no direct offensive properties so you’re not gonna be able to get off with just that explanation either

Doesn't need to, it could be a nonoffensive presence but can effect things on a ridiculously large scale. Such as, effecting and even restoring a universal time erase that effects both space and time. That's above anything in canon, done by RTZ, and could qualify under the power stat. But of course you'd argue that right? Of course you would, and that's exactly the issue, it's vague, it's super ******* vague, we do not have enough information, something's are manageable, like speed? We could deduce and figure that out, but the other shit we don't have enough to go on. Acting like we do isn't gonna do anything lad.

Yeah “durability” stat is vague

Yeah no shit, so it means nothing.

We have a likely creation feat with the death loop currently being accepted as multiversal

Not a creation feat, completely unfounded headcanon. It's not likely, it simply isn't a thing. And if it was, that'd be for RTZ, meaning it wouldn't be GER physically so your whole argument it is would fall apart then and there and we'd just list it for the ability.
Which goes against your above claim of "it can't be for RTZ", if RTZ straight up created ******* worlds, that would most certainly be enough and like what, the power stat would qualify under. You're contradicting your very own proposals.

We have multiple stand stats, which all use the same measuring system, being able to go up to infinity, and then destruction power for some reason being an exception even though there’s nothing to suggest that. Seems a bit fishy to me

Because it doesn't ******* exist. What do you not comprehend? We do not know what an infinite attack stat looks like, we don't know what qualifies, would it be some special ability? Would it be physical stats? Power? Would it simply be an AOE thing? We do not know, there exists no Stand in the whole of the franchise that has an Infinite attack stat so we do not know what it entails, assuming "oh well an infinite attack stat MUST be infinite energy/joules/destructive output" isn't gonna work, because it could not. like BIG, his Infinite range is just "lol he doesnt have a host so he cant go anywhere that's possible for him to reach" instead of "oh shit he can you or effect you from an infinite distance away" or "oh **** his ability has infinite AOE". Same with his Sustenance. It's infinite right? Cool, except it's just "he's already dead so he cant die", instead of "oh shit infinite durability" or "oh shit he cant be effected", etc.

The white snake D in speed was explained via a statement, so it’s not an inconsistency, especially considering most speed stats refer to the attack’s speed and not the physical speed

That's hilariously not true, almost all humanoid Stands' speed stat is talking about their physical speed, except when it's not, but how do we know when it is or isnt? That's right, we don't, we don't know. If Araki didn't go out of his way to clarify Whitesnake's stats in JoJoveller, we would never know, everyone would think it's talking about his physical speed, which, lo and behold, basically everyone does think who don't know about said statement from Araki. It's not an inconsistency, but it's stupidly ******* vague.
But you want inconsistency's? D4C > Scary Monsters in speed. Act 4 has a B in speed, which is again, below D4C. Both Diego and Act 4 are actually faster than D4C featwise, Diego outright says he's faster even and we see as much.
Or the Emperor having a ass speed stat, despite being > Chariot.
I could go on, or hey, what about Kiss having A's across the board but getting ****** up by FF?

But of course, a normal stand stat rating such as D is still far more likely to be inconsistent then a rating of infinite or none, which is absolutely never contradicted at any point in the series

And the issue here, if you've yet to comprehend it, is you're asking for us to give a rating to a character via scaling off something that LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED, using stats that could refer to DOZENS of things, which might not even be talking about him. No, we aren't, that isnt how the wiki works. You want GER to scale to infinite attack? Find a Stand who's rated Infinite in attack and having that rating be non hyperbolic and talking about physical strength or something that can scale to GER in some shape, way or form/

there are also easy explanations for every stand stat “inconsistency” I currently know of, I promise you

And I promise you that chances are, whatever reasoning or explanation you think of is gonna be lacking context or handwaving key factors as usual.

 

[Chariot190]

Did ciocolatta even die after the 7 page muda

Yes he ******* died, dude, **** the 7 page muda, dude has his brain blown out to the point he can't even formulate a sentence properly. And then goes "you said you'd spare me!" and Gio is like "yeah no, you deserve death", and then punches him so hard for so long, we actually see internals and his previous stitch work fall apart.

And in the anime at least, Secco finds his dead body.

 

[Chariot190]

I could settle for a "likely far higher", but checking, we seem to already have that listed so idk what I'm supposed to agree with here.

I just think that 3-A to low 2-C or anything of that sort, at least at the moment, is lacking in evidence, yes I know you proposed "possibly", but we still need reason to believe it could be a potential peak. Given there simply doesn't exist anything to corroborate that I can't agree to it (If you're lucky and Araki gives another line like that in the presumably upcoming guide, that might change).

I honestly wouldn't mind giving GER an AP for RTZ though, but the wiki rejected that (GER used to be Low 2-C and High 3-A fyi for RTZ, the wiki just stopped giving abilities like that AP). So like, I'm technically not against giving GER the proposed tier, just for a completely different aspect, but the wiki itself disagrees so hard no from me, and your reasoning is based on literal conjecture, that isn't me being hyperbolic, every single reason you gave amounts to conjecture, we we don't use that here, not even for "possibly", we need more to go on.

 

[Metalballrun]

So is it just GER who is supposed to get universal AP, or would it scale to Diavolo's durability, which scales to his AP, which scales to those who harmed Diavolo, such as Silver Chariot, which means everyone in JoJo is now universal? lets goooooooo

 

[Baken384]

So is it just GER who is supposed to get universal AP, or would it scale to Diavolo's durability, which scales to his AP, which scales to those who harmed Diavolo, such as Silver Chariot, which means everyone in JoJo is now universal? lets goooooooo

 

[Chariot190]

So is it just GER who is supposed to get universal AP, or would it scale to Diavolo's durability, which scales to his AP, which scales to those who harmed Diavolo, such as Silver Chariot, which means everyone in JoJo is now universal? lets goooooooo

S̶h̶i̶n̶e̶i̶.̶

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Agree 100% with Chariot here.

 

[Chariot190]

speed: keep the same as on profile currently, except make it possibly infinite for physical attacks because of stand stats and the fact that he completely blitzes diavolo by throwing a pebble laser at him

Also lad, you have absolutely no idea. That was rejected hard, I would know, I basically fought for what we have, that was the best case scenario.
GER is demonstrably not infinite in speed for his base self, if he is, then so is King Crimson, and the rest of the verse. GER might be impossibly fast comparatively, but he isn't infinitely faster, especially when the guides simply state, in regards to physicality, that he got a boost, you'd think if it was by an infinite degree it'd say as much, but even if it wasn't, we don't have enough info to go on to say as such, and GER's stats for the most part refer to RTZ, the ability, not GER physically (The same quote that gives the ratings, talks about RTZ in reference).
Like I wish GER had Infinite speed physically, but I'd prefer a solid foundation over trying for the highest extreme just because and we don't have enough evidence but even a bit of contradictory showings.

add possible precognition due to him being able to seemingly know what was in diavolo's prediction when he says that the actions will never occur

Also no, this isn't in his slew of abilities at all. He never said or even implied he knew exactly what Diavolo seen.

What happened was Diavolo goes to attack him and Diavolo can't and is like wtf and GER just goes "yeah, you may be able to see what will happen, but it won't come to pass, nobody who stands before me shall do so lol".
GER isn't talking about whatever Diavolo is talking or looking at in particular, nor does he indicate he even knows what the vision is, only that no matter who they are, they'll never be able to take action against him (due to RTZ) and that even though Diavolo can see the future, that rule applies.
That's it, it's straightforward at that, assuming GER actually has precog and knows the future too and is telling Diavolo that his vision won't happen because he actually knows it too isn't what's transpiring in that scene, what's happening is GER explains that due to RTZ, nobody can take action against him and that includes Diavolo who can see the future. GER specifying this applies to everyone is a the key factor as to why it's not what you think it is, nor does anything indicate he knows what the vision is (All he knows is that Diavolo can see the future and that he's seen it, but he himself doesn't know what the future is, which is something they all know kinda that Diavolo can do, it's not unique to GER, even Gio knows it).


And as for accelerated development, honestly, it's probably legit, or at least, the versatility of the ability and how Gio/GER will learn to control it is extremely vast in my opinion. But it's to vague to list on the profile, it could be as simple as said, just learning how to use the ability better or it could be like DBZ shit were they get huge boosts after every battle like Rohan or something. Again, we do not know and it could be a few things so we can't exactly list it as anything due to lack of any info about it. It might be legit, but it could very easily be multiple other things, of which we have no way to figure out which, if any, is the actual fact.
If we list one, we'd need to list all, and when it boils down to "well, hypothetically, it could be this, this, this, this, or this, but we don't know if it's any of them", we can't list it, even as a possibility.
Though, accelerated development might still be feasible, not from GER or this stand stat shit, but because base GE might have it to begin with (And GER is stated to have everything GE has but cracked as ****, ergo, if GE has acel dev, GER has it on steroids), there might actually be two guide statements that says as much, denoting Baby Face Arc being an example of when it kicked in for example, but someone else is working on a GE thread with what I think includes that so we're better off waiting on that instead.

Anyway, I assume we're done here.
We still have more important things to deal with l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶m̶i̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶e̶a̶d̶, and it's pretty obvious we aren't gonna give a dude who's best feat is being stated stronger than High 8-C dudes and killing an 8-C+ as to being Universal based on conjecture and hypotheticals that don't actually exist.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Meh
I knew this was coming

 

[StrymULTRA]

...

 

[ZillertheBucko]

So is it just GER who is supposed to get universal AP, or would it scale to Diavolo's durability, which scales to his AP, which scales to those who harmed Diavolo, such as Silver Chariot, which means everyone in JoJo is now universal? lets goooooooo

Had it been accepted it would’ve been exclusively GER since nothing scales to him
I will have to wait for part 9 to introduce a character with infinity in destructive power though, so maybe this could actually work next time

 

[Elizhaa]

I will close the thread since it was requested.