Low 2-C feat for terraria?

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

When did this happen??

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

So...what now? Do we just leave this thread to rot? Or can we at least get Moonlord space-time manip (unless of course y'all consider the text to be flowery text)?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I consider it to only involve the world the player takes place in, not the universe as a whole, as the use of "Terraria" could mean either.


And we could just make profiles for NPCs and stuff.

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

I consider it to only involve the world the player takes place in, not the universe as a whole, as the use of "Terraria" could mean either.


And we could just make profiles for NPCs and stuff.

Terraria is literally the entirity of the universe and has been referred to as the universe in lore. The world the game takes place on is just special, as it's the current host for the ancient spirits of light and dark. Cthulhu/Moonlord's intents was universal and not just planetary.

Even if it was just planetary, that would still, theoretically, give Terraria 5-B AP. Correct?

 

[TheGatememer]

Thing is, its not planetary, considering the fact that the lore confirms that Terraria is a universe. If it was just the planet, they likely wouldn't have used the word fabric, as "fabric of the planet" doesn't really make sense. Fabric of the universe makes much more sense seeing the context behind all this. The location of the game is just where the terrarian starts, not necessarily the host for the ancient spirits of light and dark, as the hallow, crimson and corruption exist in all worlds in the Terraria universe.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

There it was likely referring to itself as a game. It's possible, but I don't think it's enough to upgrade to Universal.

 

[TheGatememer]

Given the context of the lore, i don't think it ever had anything to do with it being a game.

And im pretty sure that destroying the fabric of terraria (which is a universe as we have established many times already) should be enough for a Low 2-C tier.

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

Given the context of the lore, i don't think it ever had anything to do with it being a game.

And im pretty sure that destroying the fabric of terraria (which is a universe as we have established many times already) should be enough for a Low 2-C tier.

That particular statement can be considered space-time manip (low 2-C tho) but thanks to the other countless mentions of Moonlord threatening the universe, it makes it more consistent and arguable.

 

[TheGatememer]

As i have already said countless times, if Bowser is capable of being Low 2-C with his galaxy reactor, then it should be the same for the moonlord. (and other top tier terraria characters.)

We may also want to consider creating a profile for the Terraria gods that are mentioned.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Except Bowser isn't Low 2-C with the Galaxy Reactor, he's Low 2-C with the Grand Stars.

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

Except Bowser isn't Low 2-C with the Galaxy Reactor, he's Low 2-C with the Grand Stars.

It literally states in the manual and Bowser's wiki that he would destroy/colapse the universe with the galaxy reactor. He's low 2-C both for the Grandstar and the galaxy reactor nutjob.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

So how is this similar?

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

So how is this similar?

Both the manual of SMG1 and the lore of Terraria state how either villain was threatening the fabric of the universe/bringing destruction to the entire universe. Since that's considered low 2-C by VSbw standards and applies to Bowser's galaxy reactor, it should also apply to Moonlord/Cthulhu and those who scale (i.e Terrarian, Dryad, Lunatic Cultist and Lunar Pillars)

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Destroying the fabric of reality is not automatically a tier 3/2 feat

Depends. It means destroying space-time, so if you destroy ALLL of it, then yes it's low 2-C. But if it's just a portion then no

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

At least 5-C possibly Low 2-C maybe?

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

Depends. It means destroying space-time, so if you destroy ALLL of it, then yes it's low 2-C. But if it's just a portion then no

And throughout Terraria, it has been repeated that Cthulhu/Moonlord's intentions were universal.

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

At least 5-C possibly Low 2-C maybe?

I feel the 5-C key needs to be high 5-A (with supporting calcs) but that's besides the point. I guess possibly low 2-C is fine.

 

[Soupywolf5]

It literally states in the manual and Bowser's wiki that he would destroy/colapse the universe with the galaxy reactor. He's low 2-C both for the Grandstar and the galaxy reactor nutjob.

The manual actually said that the galaxy reactor "threatened the very fabric of the universe" and then when it collapsed it actually did so

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

It literally states in the manual and Bowser's wiki that he would destroy/colapse the universe with the galaxy reactor. He's low 2-C both for the Grandstar and the galaxy reactor nutjob.

The manual actually said that the galaxy reactor "threatened the very fabric of the universe" and then when it collapsed it actually did so

Oh, so Moonlord's feat isn't good enough because it was weakened and nulled by an army before he could actually destroy the universe? It shouldn't be different for either one as they both are similar.

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

Moonlord literally had to flee due to having it's organs and skeletal system ripped out, stopping it's plans to destroy the universe. Bowser's was also stopped but had a planet transform into a black hole by accident.

 

[Soupywolf5]

It literally states in the manual and Bowser's wiki that he would destroy/colapse the universe with the galaxy reactor. He's low 2-C both for the Grandstar and the galaxy reactor nutjob.

The manual actually said that the galaxy reactor "threatened the very fabric of the universe" and then when it collapsed it actually did so

Oh, so Moonlord's feat isn't good enough because it was weakened and nulled by an army before he could actually destroy the universe? Do you even understand what you're writing out at this point?

What? I was just pointing out that the galaxy reactor both had multiple things saying it would destroy the universe, and that it did so (BTW here's the thing about threatening the fabric of the universe) I'm not even sure what's happening as I've just decided on a whim to inject myself into this thread

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

It literally states in the manual and Bowser's wiki that he would destroy/colapse the universe with the galaxy reactor. He's low 2-C both for the Grandstar and the galaxy reactor nutjob.

The manual actually said that the galaxy reactor "threatened the very fabric of the universe" and then when it collapsed it actually did so

Oh, so Moonlord's feat isn't good enough because it was weakened and nulled by an army before he could actually destroy the universe? Do you even understand what you're writing out at this point?

What? I was just pointing out that the galaxy reactor both had multiple things saying it would destroy the universe, and that it did so (BTW here's the thing about threatening the fabric of the universe) I'm not even sure what's happening as I've just decided on a whim to inject myself into this thread

Alright, my apoligize. I'm a bit stressed for some reason, so please excuse my anger. Both do have multiple statements of uni+ destructive power. This further supports uni+ power for Terraria.

 

[TheGatememer]

As you've said before, I think 5-A, possibly Low 2-C would b good. Don't know about the Dryad, but they should likely be of comparable strength to the terrarian, since in large numbers, they could heavily injure the moonlord.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

That I agree to. They COULD tear him literally limb from limb, but they shouldn't be AS strong as the Terrarian, as he can nigh oneshot them.

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

That I agree to. They COULD tear him literally limb from limb, but they shouldn't be AS strong as the Terrarian, as he can nigh oneshot them.

Unironically tho, Dryad has most of Terrarian's armor and weapons (end game kind thanks to DD2) and has control over the corruption, which has control over thousands of worlds across the Terraria universe.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Wat

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

Yup. Anyways should we get an expert to decide on this now? Or wait? Because I don't want this to just become a pointless discussion thread.

 

[Keeweed]

I feel like any staff member is just going reject this instantly. Could you at least post some of the statements that make it clear that the lore refers to Terraria as a universe first. I would quickly post those quotes myself but it's really late where I live and I think it would be better to what for the bestiary to come out in the next update.

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

I feel like any staff member is just going reject this instantly. Could you at least post some of the statements that make it clear that the lore refers to Terraria as a universe first. I would quickly post those quotes myself but it's really late where I live and I think it would be better to what for the bestiary to come out in the next update.

Good idea, I'll get the quotes and link the lore real quick:https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/terraria-8th-anniversary-lore-event.79764/ "In this process, countless living worlds were created and now exist within the Terraria universe" "The very fabric of Terraria itself seemed on the precipice of doom." "Without some intervention, some force to stem this tide, some hero to save the day, Terraria's doom is nigh at hand!" I'll link the Moonlord's official wiki as well for good measure:https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Moon_Lord

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

When did a Dryad have control over the Corruption, unless there's some OP Dryad NPC I missed

 

[TheGatememer]

They don't have control over it, but they can manipulate them

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

They do have control over it, as shown in DD2 (a canonical crossovers based off text and context) and while in Terraria, completely null it's effects along with Crimson and Hallow. She also has different types of powders which have BFR and, like I said earlier, a ton of Terrarian's mid to end game arsenal.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Oh, DRYADS. I was thinking of NYMPHS this entire time lol

Also I've never heard of her having most of that stuff.

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

Oh, DRYADS. I was thinking of NYMPHS this entire time lol

Also I've never heard of her having most of that stuff.

A lot of it is stated in lore and other context. Not directly in gameplay and Terraria dialogue by other NPCs

 

[Keeweed]

That's stuff you should start to post on this thread when you have the time.

Despite me being really nervous about his revision I would like to help with getting some of those scans when I get the chance. Like the Druid quotes and the trailer for the canon crossover should be linked or quoted and linked on this thread. I know the Druid crossover is canon because the Terrarian's durability negation comes from the crossover event.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

What if the Engineer actually completed the Brain Mechanical Boss and created an entire Mechanical Moon Lord

 

[Keeweed]

Oh god all my least favorite boss fight combined into a boss fight I've only beat once (I like the Moonlord, I don't like the Mecha bosses)

On an unrelated note I strangely find calamity mod death march Moon lord to be easier to fight than the regular Moonlord but that's probably because Death March prepares you for harder bosses and I probably just got better over time.

 

[KGiffoni]

Following

 

[KGiffoni]

At least 5-C possibly Low 2-C maybe?

Agree with this, personally

 

[MrWarnerTheGreat]

I went ahead and informed Saikou on this and are waiting on a reply. Until then, does anyone have any complaints about this so we can adress this? If not, then our work is nearly done.