Love, Peace and War

[LordGinSama]

Now this match can finally be done let's get this settled, both combatants are in character. Winner by any means necessary.


Power of Hope Kratos vs Unrestricted Vash.


Speed is equalized. (Will be removed if people think they're on similar levels of speed.)


Battle takes place at Marineford at night.


"The longer one holds on to a memory, the longer one lives in the past. The deeper the memory they hold onto, the more beautiful the past will become. The beautiful memories will eventually turn into hate. Even if they look ahead, they lose the ability to walk. As long as the heavy chain called revenge continues to bind the heart, the tears of sadness will continue to flow." : 0





"Hope is what makes us strong. It is why we're here. It is what we fight with all else is lost." : 0


incon: 0

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The Hunter FRA

 

[LordGinSama]

The Hunter FRA

The Last Dragonborn shouts.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Now this match can finally be done let's get this settled, both combatants are in character. Winner by any means necessary.


Power of Hope Kratos vs Unrestricted Vash.


Speed is equalized. (Will be removed if people think they're on similar levels of speed.)


Battle takes place at Marineford at night.


"The longer one holds on to a memory, the longer one lives in the past. The deeper the memory they hold onto, the more beautiful the past will become. The beautiful memories will eventually turn into hate. Even if they look ahead, they lose the ability to walk. As long as the heavy chain called revenge continues to bind the heart, the tears of sadness will continue to flow." : 0





"Hope is what makes us strong. It is why we're here. It is what we fight with all else is lost." : 0


incon: 0

Kratos does resist immortality negation though

 

[Deceived3596]

Welp, Vash's only wincon would be sealing Kratos away with Sub-Space bullets. Does Kratos have Dimensional Travel or resist BFR/Sealing on the level of Vash's Sub-Space bullets?.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Also that conceptual manipulation and immortality negation kratos has

 

[LordGinSama]

Kratos does resist immortality negation though

Not on a 6-D level, which is what Vash scales to.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Welp, Vash's only wincon would be sealing Kratos away with Sub-Space bullets. Does Kratos have Dimensional Travel or resist BFR/Sealing on the level of Vash's Sub-Space bullets?.

He has teleportation

 

[LordGinSama]

Welp, Vash's only wincon would be sealing Kratos away with Sub-Space bullets. Does Kratos have Dimensional Travel or resist BFR/Sealing on the level of Vash's Sub-Space bullets?.

Black-Hole bullets would be another win-con if Vash feels the need to use them.

 

[LordGinSama]

Also that conceptual manipulation and immortality negation kratos has

Immortality negation is pretty much useless here as Vash doesn't use any of his Plant abilities outside a few.


It's basically more hax vs higher D hax.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Immortality negation is pretty much useless here as Vash doesn't use any of his Plant abilities outside a few.


It's basically more hax vs higher D hax.

Man I need my man Klol here

 

[LordGinSama]

Man I need my man Klol here

Me and Planck69 talked about it before and from what I'm gathering it's essentially up to who hits who first.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Me and Planck69 talked about it before and from what I'm gathering it's essentially up to who hits who first.

well what does vash start with

 

[LordGinSama]

well what does vash start with

In this key BFR bullets since he avoids anything non fatal for the most part. Said BFR bullets have massive AoE along with being 6-D.


Black-Hole bullets are the fatal version and those have 6-D power nullification and the negation of immortality and Mid-Godly regeneration.


Although I don't really think either combatant would kill another here. Vash would sympathize with Kratos and respect him, making that clear from the beginning.



High key Vash would be the perfect therapist for Kratos lol.

 

[Robo432343]

does kratos even have the range to affect vash

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Vash is 3D

 

[LordGinSama]

does kratos even have the range to affect vash

Yeah. Your mixing up Vash for Knives's who has 6-D HDE, Type 3 Acausality, etc.

 

[LordGinSama]

@KLOL506 oui give your input here fam.




**** the fight I just wanna see how these two would interact with the amount of tragic shit that hhappened to both.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

Muh dimensions, tier 1 is so ass.

Anyway kratos doesn't resist sealing or BFR in any form so if it's remotely in character for Vash then he should take this.

 

[LordGinSama]

Muh dimensions, tier 1 is so ass.

Anyway kratos doesn't resist sealing or BFR in any form so if it's remotely in character for Vash then he should take this.

BFR is Vash's immediate move in character. The AoE is kilometers in nature and expand instantly, topped with Vash's incredible aim and dumb RE which let's him catch up from 3-D to 5-D. Vash and Knives's took turns blitzing one another back and forth in their infinite speed keys, and scales above the standard Non Independent Plant growth rate which is infinite.

 

[Planck69]

Kratos kills with any attack landing since all of it is Hope imbued but if BFR is instantly an opener then Vash is taking it I think.

 

[LordGinSama]

Bump

 

[Death_of_Lems]

I'm voting for Vash for now

 

[LordGinSama]

Bump

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Kratos kills with any attack landing since all of it is Hope imbued but if BFR is instantly an opener then Vash is taking it I think.

Oh come on, it can't be that easy

 

[LordGinSama]

Also any good GoW characters vs Knives's?

 

[KLOL506]

If BFR is the immediate opener then Vash might end up taking it most likely for Planck's reasons.

 

[ShionAH]

Vash FRA

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

How does Vash' BFR work?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Following.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Humanoid Typhoon FRA

Ignore my initial butchering of his title.....

still waiting for Gungrave content Gin

 

[Rikimarox2]

Honestly just depends if Vash starts with BFR or not.

 

[KLOL506]

Honestly just depends if Vash starts with BFR or not.

LGS says he does.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Can't Kratos just dodge? Vash's BFR is bullet based (The bullets create black holes and then suck you to the subspace)

 

[Deceived3596]

As someone who also has read Trigun and is one of the main supporters for the verse, Vash's main offensive move in this key against someone he wishes not to kill would be his Sub-Space bullets, he only uses his Black Hole bullets if he's against someone he's willing to, and actively wants to kill, like Knives.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Can't Kratos just dodge? Vash's BFR is bullet based (The bullets create black holes and then suck you to the subspace)

The bullets are kilometers in range and expand instantly, is what Gin says

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

He's scales way about people who have dodged infinite range projectiles.

And he could easily stop time before he's hit

 

[AnAverageUsername]

He's scales way about people who have dodged infinite range projectiles.

And he could easily stop time before he's hit

You mean like, projectiles that go on an infinite distance or have an infinite AOE?

 

[LordGinSama]

He's scales way about people who have dodged infinite range projectiles.

Thats a lot different than something that's an infinite grade above you (5-D vs 6-D.). This is different than Helios, who's range is infinitely lesser than Vash's.

And he could easily stop time before he's hit

Vash's inherent Plant Acausality Type 4 already counters that unless Kratos has feats of effecting 6-D based type 4 Acausality. Vash's speed and RE would also let him counter this.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Both, Really. The light of Helios can affect the underworld, an infinite plane.