Lord of Nightmares vs Cosmic Armor Superman

[The_real_cal_howard]

DC vs Slayers! Higher dimensional battle of the sexes jk. Fight until death, or the closest thing these guys can get to.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Both likely exceed 11th dimensional space but I'll go with Lord of nightmares for hax and speed.

 

[Naitez]

Yeah, I might go with Lord of Nightmares for being Omnipresent compared to CS Superman's Immeasurable speed. But honestly, I'd rather see this as a draw due to CA Superman being a walking plot machine. It's better to see what would happen if these two mated than if they fought.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Both likely exceed 11th dimensional space but I'll go with Lord of nightmares for hax and speed.

Going with what CHILL said, but who knows really.

 

[J.J._Chambers]

Both likely exceed 11th dimensional space but I'll go with Lord of nightmares for hax and speed.

Going with what CHILL said, but who knows really.

Seconden.

 

[Verivici]

Can someone add this as a victory on her page then?

 

[Darkness552]

i dont think there is enough votes for this victory to be added

 

[Salavtore]

can we add Eldergod demonbane to both their losses?

 

[Antvasima]

i dont think there is enough votes for this victory to be added

Yes. I may have added it prematurely to their pages.

 

[Antvasima]

can we add Eldergod demonbane to both their losses?

That would be a spite thread.

 

[Darkness552]

Its all good Ant

 

[Jockey-1337]

LON stomps. CAS is so overrated an he has been debunked here:

https://plus.google.com/wm/quevuelvamatt/102683655307828907556/posts/hCzJqLNEtNL

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

I'll go with Chillvibez's suggestion.

 

[Illogicalman]

LON win hand down.

 

[Zensum]

Ima say Supes due to plot armour

 

[KazarianFahs]

Ima say Supes due to plot armour

seconded,plot manipulation trumps any power in fiction.especially since they are about the same tier

 

[Salavtore]

Guys this thread is old ya know

 

[DarkLK]

Ima say Supes due to plot armour

seconded,plot manipulation trumps any power in fiction.especially since they are about the same tier

Plot manipulation is nothing more than some form of reality and causality warping. We still need feats and clear definitions.

 

[KazarianFahs]

Ima say Supes due to plot armour

seconded,plot manipulation trumps any power in fiction.especially since they are about the same tier

Plot manipulation is nothing more than some form of reality and causality warping. We still need feats and clear definitions.

well then wouldn't it be called "reality manipulation" then? see as far as i understand in fiction reality manipulation is to change the physical properties of that dimension according to your will,but "plot manipulation" is just something else it's the power a character has that can literally change the story,eliminate characters,it literally being the writer of the fiction.LON is part of the fictional universe that she can manipulate the entierity of according to her will."Plot manipulation" means not only CAS can do all of what LON can do,he can literally change the story itself in fiction.And since LON and CAS both are at same level of powers but CAS transcends fiction,which LON hasn't shown to do or even perceive,while both are vague and the match can easily be called inconclusive as far as even vague stats go CAS wins.

 

[Aurugermil]

IMO, LON beat the author with the shovel but it doesn't really mean anything and CAS does not really transcend fiction. Plot manipulation is a fancy words for reality manipulation. It may works well in his own series where he can change the plot where Supes must die or something but it won't matter much in a vs debate.

 

[KazarianFahs]

IMO, LON beat the author with the shovel but it doesn't really mean anything and CAS does not really transcend fiction. Plot manipulation is a fancy words for reality manipulation. It may works well in his own series where he can change the plot where Supes must die or something but it won't matter much in a vs debate.

not to mention the reactive evolution which adapts to future threats,and why are you ruling out powers? acasuality,omnipresence doesn't get ruled out? huh? while i still agree this should be locked based on the inconclusiveness

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Okay. What are Superman's plot manipulation feats?

 

[Aurugermil]

Here is the battle between CAS and Mandrakk that I took from Mars Liber Legis discussion back then. http://imgur.com/jL7FF8w http://imgur.com/hH0t1vV http://imgur.com/eH97TfH http://imgur.com/eh02McS http://imgur.com/1IGSW8j http://imgur.com/D2Trd9Z http://imgur.com/wQlYwv4

CAS looks damaged.

 

[DarkLK]

CAS looks damaged.

Because the blood of 52 universes and the heat of 10 billion suns transcends fiction.

 

[KazarianFahs]

sigh,now i have to write so much,such a drag,Ok,i'll just put out feats and stuff,dunno if i'll actually find some credile large scale plot manipulation feats,but meh,this is my own doing,all this for an inconclusive battle.

 

[KazarianFahs]

SO the tier 0 being in DC multiverse the overvoid.we are all a part of it,existing within it and it doesn't know of our existence,I dunno how but one time he feels funny so he creates monitors and monitor verse to discover what was within him(the DC existence)

Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1 (2008)

• All of these interactions with the Overvoid created the concept of a story being told, a metafictional account of all of the multiverses held within the Overvoid, hence everything we know about, everything that exists is essentially a STORY being told by SOMEONE.
• Technically the Overvoid is telling itself a cosmic bed-time story but isn't aware of why or how it is being done, only that it was being done and it needed monitoring.

These multiverses are nothing more than a tiny space inside of the Overvoid, a disturbance, a group of self-aware itches, the Overvoid tried to scratch. Theoretically every known universe, multiverse, or omniverse is visible and accessible from the Overvoid. It exists outside of is EVERYWHERE and EVERYWHEN. From the Overvoid, the OMNIVERSE is just a story being told. Even WE are accessible from the Overvoid.

Now you understand where the Overvoid and the Monitor stand in the scheme of things; they are outside of reality as anyone knows of it. Literally watching and monitoring the existence of reality like a doctor might look at the cellular activity of a patient using the technology of their choice. Which is where Cosmic Armored Superman finally comes in. He's the equivalent of a hyper-reality, multi-dimensional, meta-conceptual scalpel.

Cosmic armored superman was designed to protect the Oververse and overvoid itself from any "rogue stories" that might try to escape the overvoid itself(wait........ wuuuuut.....nvm)

Cosmic Armored Superman is the embodiment of Order, OUTSIDE the MULTIVERSE, the ultimate retcon until the Overvoid is satisfied with the ending. His powers are nigh-infinite from the perspective of beings inside their respective universes, but only acts if something is going to spill beyond a particular universe or multiverse or into the Overvoid itself.

It's something beyond than a simple omnipresent god.CAS is literally the plot device of a Tier:0 being