Lookism ap and speed upgrade

[Viott]

Old Calc:

Lookism: Daniel Park Durability

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The snail speed was used in this calculation.

But snail's pace cannot be used because Samuel seo reacts in the air.

 Recalc:

Lookism : Ui Daniel Calculations

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I recalculated this and since there was no noticeable drop, I thought it best to assume that only one pixel dropped.

 

[Dinozxd]

UI Daniel matches his opponent's power and speed always. Which means that his speed varies from opponent to opponent. So that means he matches his opponents all the time. It's literally against all narrative for Daniel to be massively faster then his opponents.

 

[Viott]

UI Daniel matches his opponent's power and speed always. Which means that his speed varies from opponent to opponent. So that means he matches his opponents all the time. It's literally against all narrative for Daniel to be massively faster then his opponents.

There is no reason why it should be an outlier, if ui can react to daniel, it proves that he is at Hypersonic +.

Also gun is wrong because he says that ui daniel will be defeated if he reduces his power and the original daniel executes this plan through him but it doesn't work and this proves that ui daniel doesn't reduce his power if his opponent reduces his power.

 

[Dinozxd]

There is no reason why it should be an outlier, if ui can react to daniel, it proves that he is at Hypersonic +.

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Also gun is wrong because he says that ui daniel will be defeated if he reduces his power and the original daniel executes this plan through him but it doesn't work and this proves that ui daniel doesn't reduce his power if his opponent reduces his power.

Gun isn't wrong, you can see UI getting overwhelmed because of Daniel's tactic. Daniel also says it himself, UI Daniel literally matches his opponent's strength (Gun states that he matches he gets stronger with his opponent and vice versa), he only wins because of his skill. Also, Gun doesn't state Daniel will win, he's just giving him a potential way to win.

 

[Viott]

Gun isn't wrong, you can see UI getting overwhelmed because of Daniel's tactic. Daniel also says it himself, UI Daniel literally matches his opponent's strength (Gun states that he matches he gets stronger with his opponent and vice versa), he only wins because of his skill. Also, Gun doesn't state Daniel will win, he's just giving him a potential way to win.

No, you're wrong, he literally says that the way to win is to hide his power.

also gun says that ui daniel is stronger than his opponents..

If Ui Daniel had the same speed as his opponent, Samuel, Jerry, Jake, Warren or Vasco would have been able to counter Daniel, but they never could. Ui Daniel was always far superior in speed..

 

[Dinozxd]

No, you're wrong, he literally says that the way to win is to hide his power.

"A way to win" is literally a potential way to win like I said.

also gun says that ui daniel is stronger than his opponents..

He says that he gets stronger as the opponent is stronger and gets weaker as the opponent gets weaker. That's literally what he's saying here. You're literally blatantly lying.

If Ui Daniel had the same speed as his opponent, Samuel, Jerry, Jake, Warren or Vasco would have been able to counter Daniel, but they never could. Ui Daniel was always far superior in speed..

Him being massively faster than them is literally aganist the narrative so no. It's probably an overexaggarated scene of characters getting outsped as even Jay could dodge UI Daniel's punch. UI Daniel narratively can't be massively faster than characters and that's literally stated and supported by feats.

 

[Viott]

"A way to win" is literally a potential way to win like I said.

He says that he gets stronger as the opponent is stronger and gets weaker as the opponent gets weaker. That's literally what he's saying here. You're literally blatantly lying.

Him being massively faster than them is literally aganist the narrative so no. It's probably an overexaggarated scene of characters getting outsped as even Jay could dodge UI Daniel's punch. UI Daniel narratively can't be massively faster than characters and that's literally stated and supported by feats.

In episode 342, if ui daniel had equalized his speed with that of samuel seo, jake kim and jerry, he wouldn't have been superior in terms of speed, they could have hit at least 1 time because there were 2 of them but they couldn't, they couldn't even react.

Another example is episode 470; in the same way, if Ui Daniel had equalized his speed with Vasco, Warren and Jerry, he wouldn't have been able to outrun them in terms of speed, at least they could have hit ui daniel once, but they couldn't do that.

You underestimate Jay. Jay can be faster than Samuel and other characters, he just didn't want to fight his friend, you can't use that argument.

Carefully review the sections I have sent you.

 

[Dinozxd]

In episode 342, if ui daniel had equalized his speed with that of samuel seo, jake kim and jerry, he wouldn't have been superior in terms of speed, they could have hit at least 1 time because there were 2 of them but they couldn't, they couldn't even react.

They could very well react to his attacks multiple times and even outspeed him by landing tackles and shielding their friends lol. Nothing in this fight suggests that UI Daniel is massively faster than Jake, Samuel and Jerry.

You underestimate Jay. Jay can be faster than Samuel and other characters, he just didn't want to fight his friend, you can't use that argument.

You're the one opposing my claim so you would have to prove that he is indeed faster than Jerry, Warren and Vasco.

 

[Dinozxd]

UI Daniel's entire narrative involves around him being strong because of being really good at mimicing techniques and being able to easily adapt to his opponent. He doesn't go around blitzing people (even if the scene looks like that, it's literally opposed by the narrative), he fights them using his skills.

 

[Viott]

You're the one opposing my claim so you would have to prove that he is indeed faster than Jerry, Warren and Vasco.

Can't you see that the punch he threw was not with all his strength?

They could very well react to his attacks multiple times and even outspeed him by landing tackles and shielding their friends lol. Nothing in this fight suggests that UI Daniel is massively faster than Jake, Samuel and Jerry.

here ui don't you see Jake sneak attacking when daniel is about to hit Samuel? Lol



And here, it's not clear that jake acted, he may have started to act before ui daniel returned because he realized how powerful he was and he didn't want jerry to get hurt, so he may have acted earlier.

UI Daniel's entire narrative involves around him being strong because of being really good at mimicing techniques and being able to easily adapt to his opponent. He doesn't go around blitzing people (even if the scene looks like that, it's literally opposed by the narrative), he fights them using his skills.

Not only that, his speed is also superior to the other character, if you look at the fights, they can't react when he attacks,

 

[Dinozxd]

Can't you see that the punch he threw was not with all his strength?

What? Why would UI Daniel randomly hold back aganist Jay? It's not like he sees him as a friend at that state.

Oh btw, I literally have Jay's scaling so here it is;

Jay is comparable and visually weaker than Jihan Kiwak who got no diffed by the Basement Hulk. Eli is comparable to Basement Hulk and Vasco. Jay should at least be a no diff matchup for Vasco but he somehow dodged UI Daniel's punch even though Vasco got "blitzed". Pair this with Gun's statement, it's clear that UI Daniel can't be massively faster than his opponents.

here ui don't you see Jake sneak attacking when daniel is about to hit Samuel? Lol

Daniel is literally facing Jake when he tackles him. The tackle came from the front so it's not a sneak attack.

And here, it's not clear that jake acted, he may have started to act before ui daniel returned because he realized how powerful he was and he didn't want jerry to get hurt, so he may have acted earlier.

We literally see Jake saving Jerry when Daniel's foot is like 2-3 cm away from Jerry? Jake should've at least moved like 10 cm to save him, which still means that he outsped him.

 

[Viott]

What? Why would UI Daniel randomly hold back aganist Jay? It's not like he sees him as a friend at that state.

Oh btw, I literally have Jay's scaling so here it is;

Jay is comparable and visually weaker than Jihan Kiwak who got no diffed by the Basement Hulk. Eli is comparable to Basement Hulk and Vasco. Jay should at least be a no diff matchup for Vasco but he somehow dodged UI Daniel's punch even though Vasco got "blitzed". Pair this with Gun's statement, it's clear that UI Daniel can't be massively faster than his opponents.

There, Jay was hiding his power, which makes Ui Daniel automatically powerless, and after punching him, he manages to escape with an explosive force.

If the opponent is weak ui daniel becomes weaker and if the opponent is strong ui daniel becomes stronger.

But not on a par with his opponent, otherwise his opponent might react to him.

Daniel is literally facing Jake when he tackles him. The tackle came from the front so it's not a sneak attack.

No, Daniel was focused on Samuel, we just see him raise his foot and before he starts to move Jake makes a sneak attack from the side, simple as that.

We literally see Jake saving Jerry when Daniel's foot is like 2-3 cm away from Jerry? Jake should've at least moved like 10 cm to save him, which still means that he outsped him.

It doesn't mean that jake is faster than daniel park, when jake attacks daniel, daniel escapes very easily, when daniel attacks jake, jake cannot react.

 

[Dinozxd]

There, Jay was hiding his power, which makes Ui Daniel automatically powerless, and after punching him, he manages to escape with an explosive force.

If the opponent is weak ui daniel becomes weaker and if the opponent is strong ui daniel becomes stronger.

Yes this what exactly what I was saying.

But not on a par with his opponent, otherwise his opponent might react to him.

Do you have any reasoning behind this? I mean sure, he gets a little faster than his opponent while fighting (even that's really suspicious as Gun and Daniel both state that he matches his opponent's strength, not faster) but can you prove that he gets too fast to the point where his opponent can't react to him? He never blitzes his opponents, he just copies their techniques and makes them better, that's how he wins fights. Gun himself stated that UI's biggest disadvantage was it's constant physical adaptibility, which led Base Daniel to be able to land hits on him.

No one calls UI Daniel "fast" in the series and that's for a reason. He never gets too fast to the point tracking him becomes impossible. He just matches his opponent's power and stomps them with his skill.

No, Daniel was focused on Samuel, we just see him raise his foot and before he starts to move Jake makes a sneak attack from the side, simple as that.

Daniel is literally facing front after Jake's tackle. That means that the tackle came from the front, not from the side.

It doesn't mean that jake is faster than daniel park, when jake attacks daniel, daniel escapes very easily, when daniel attacks jake, jake cannot react.

Daniel escapes using his skills and Jake can pretty much react to him on multiple occasions lmao.


I don't get why you're still tryna argue about UI Daniel being massively faster than his opponents when even the narrative itself doesn't suggest that. No calc or feat is above the narrative.

 

[Viott]

Do you have any reasoning behind this? I mean sure, he gets a little faster than his opponent while fighting (even that's really suspicious as Gun and Daniel both state that he matches his opponent's strength, not faster) but can you prove that he gets too fast to the point where his opponent can't react to him? He never blitzes his opponents, he just copies their techniques and makes them better, that's how he wins fights. Gun himself stated that UI's biggest disadvantage was it's constant physical adaptibility, which led Base Daniel to be able to land hits on him.

No one calls UI Daniel "fast" in the series and that's for a reason. He never gets too fast to the point tracking him becomes impossible. He just matches his opponent's power and stomps them with his skill.

He copies their technique and skillfully uses it faster than them, for example vasco kicks daniel park and daniel park dodges the kick and then daniel park copies the technique and uses the same technique on vasco, but vasco cannot react please think logically do you think the reason why vasco cannot react is because daniel park copied and applied vasco's kick or because he used the technique faster?

They don't have to say "fast", they try their best to kill him but they failed many times and to give another example, in episode 470, jinyoung park compared Daniel park to Gapyrong Kim who is a legend of generation 0, which proves that daniel is as good as generation 0.

Daniel is literally facing front after Jake's tackle. That means that the tackle came from the front, not from the side.

if you look carefully, when daniel park deals heavy damage to samuel, samuel's power decreases, so daniel's power decreases.

That's why he can't react when Jake attacks.

Daniel escapes using his skills and Jake can pretty much react to him on multiple occasions lmao.


I don't get why you're still tryna argue about UI Daniel being massively faster than his opponents when even the narrative itself doesn't suggest that. No calc or feat is above the narrative.

As for the last feat, when we look at the "avoiding punches" rule, such a close distance is just an exaggeration if the attacker is faster.

 

[Dinozxd]

He copies their technique and skillfully uses it faster than them, for example vasco kicks daniel park and daniel park dodges the kick and then daniel park copies the technique and uses the same technique on vasco, but vasco cannot react please think logically do you think the reason why vasco cannot react is because daniel park copied and applied vasco's kick or because he used the technique faster?

Is there any evidence that Vasco can't react to him or are you making that up to support your claim? Daniel landing a kick on Vasco just means that he's comparable or a little superior to Vasco, it doesn't suggest a massive difference.

in episode 470, jinyoung park compared Daniel park to Gapyrong Kim who is a legend of generation 0, which proves that daniel is as good as generation 0.

First of all, he doesn't say that he's comparable to Gapyrong, he just says that he's comparable to generation 0 gangsters they fought in the Fist Gang. Secondly, he matches the strength of his opponents so of course he becomes faster as his opponent gets stronger.

if you look carefully, when daniel park deals heavy damage to samuel, samuel's power decreases, so daniel's power decreases.

That's why he can't react when Jake attacks.

Yes, you're just proving my point right.

As for the last feat, when we look at the "avoiding punches" rule, such a close distance is just an exaggeration if the attacker is faster.

What feat are you talking about bruh


You didn't even bother answering to half of my points and literally conceded to multiple of them during this debate. I don't even understand what you're debating for atp.

 

[Viott]

Is there any evidence that Vasco can't react to him or are you making that up to support your claim? Daniel landing a kick on Vasco just means that he's comparable or a little superior to Vasco, it doesn't suggest a massive difference.

There is no fabrication. Go read chapter 470 again. There's no small speed difference between them. Lmao daniel park is as good as generation 0.

First of all, he doesn't say that he's comparable to Gapyrong, he just says that he's comparable to generation 0 gangsters they fought in the Fist Gang. Secondly, he matches the strength of his opponents so of course he becomes faster as his opponent gets stronger.

No, he says. Lol

Yes, you're just proving my point right.

There jake was able to attack daniel park because of samuel because daniel park's power was reduced because of samuel and that's why jake was able to attack but normally when jake attacks daniel park reacts very easily.

When the opponent's strength is good, when Jake or Samuel's strength is not reduced, they can't react to Daniel.

What feat are you talking about bruh


You didn't even bother answering to half of my points and literally conceded to multiple of them during this debate. I don't even understand what you're debating for atp.

If you don't understand what I mean there is no need to argue, it's as simple as that, by the way putting emoji doesn't make you right.

 

[Dinozxd]

There is no fabrication. Go read chapter 470 again. There's no small speed difference between them. Lmao daniel park is as good as generation 0.

He is as good as gen 0 when he's aganist Jinyoung, not when he's aganist Vasco and the other guys.

Here, Vasco literally reacts to Daniel's kick.

No, he says. Lol

That statement doesn't mean that he's comparable to Gapyrong. He just says that he wants two of them to fight lol. That's it. There is nothing to back your claim up.

There jake was able to attack daniel park because of samuel because daniel park's power was reduced because of samuel and that's why jake was able to attack but normally when jake attacks daniel park reacts very easily.

Yes he can because his speed varies to his opponent?

When the opponent's strength is good, when Jake or Samuel's strength is not reduced, they can't react to Daniel.

Where? UI Daniel doesn't blitz everyone in the series. You're literally making stuff up atp.

If you don't understand what I mean there is no need to argue, it's as simple as that, by the way putting emoji doesn't make you right.

Yeah because you are right after conceding to every point I put on the table and still continuing the debate? Wtf?

 

[Viott]

He is as good as gen 0 when he's aganist Jinyoung, not when he's aganist Vasco and the other guys.

Here, Vasco literally reacts to Daniel's kick.

Then why can't she defend herself when Daniel kicks her?

That statement doesn't mean that he's comparable to Gapyrong. He just says that he wants two of them to fight lol. That's it. There is nothing to back your claim up.

Jjinyoung park has fought Gapryong before and the proof of that is that he is practicing the techniques so he knows how strong he is, if daniel was not as good as Gapryong he would not want them to fight so much.

Yes he can because his speed varies to his opponent?

Jake can't react to Daniel properly.

Where? UI Daniel doesn't blitz everyone in the series. You're literally making stuff up atp.

Go read the chapter, you have not proved anything that jake or samuel is faster. Lol

Yeah because you are right after conceding to every point I put on the table and still continuing the debate? Wtf?

No, you just don't understand what I'm saying.

 

[Dinozxd]

Then why can't she defend herself when Daniel kicks her?

Two comparable characters can get hit by each other. Like, two boxers who are comparable to each other can still land punches on each other.

Jjinyoung park has fought Gapryong before and the proof of that is that he is practicing the techniques so he knows how strong he is, if daniel was not as good as Gapryong he would not want them to fight so much.Yes he can because his speed varies to his opponent

"I would wanna see two of the fight" doesn't mean UI is comparable to Gapyrong. Jinyoung literally states that he's comparable to Gen 0 guys. It wouldn't make sense for Gapyrong to be comparable to UI Daniel as tat would mean that Gapyrong is comparable to other Gen 0 dudes which doesn't make sense as Gapyrong is narratively the strongest character in the series.

Jake can't react to Daniel properly.

Multiple characters react to UI Daniel's attacks in the series and he literally narratively matches his opponent's strength. There's no way UI can blitz anyone or get blitzed by anyone (other than some exceptions like Daniel's tactic).

Go read the chapter, you have not proved anything that jake or samuel is faster. Lol

I don't have to as you never proved the narrative of the series wrong. You never proved any of my points wrong actually.

No, you just don't understand what I'm saying.

Sure.

 

[Viott]

Two comparable characters can get hit by each other. Like, two boxers who are comparable to each other can still land punches on each other.

I don't see any evidence here that Vasco reacted to Daniel.

"I would wanna see two of the fight" doesn't mean UI is comparable to Gapyrong. Jinyoung literally states that he's comparable to Gen 0 guys. It wouldn't make sense for Gapyrong to be comparable to UI Daniel as tat would mean that Gapyrong is comparable to other Gen 0 dudes which doesn't make sense as Gapyrong is narratively the strongest character in the series.

In short, Daniel is as powerful as generation 0.

Multiple characters react to UI Daniel's attacks in the series and he literally narratively matches his opponent's strength. There's no way UI can blitz anyone or get blitzed by anyone (other than some exceptions like Daniel's tactic).

The inability of Vasco, Samuel or other characters to react proves my point.

I don't have to as you never proved the narrative of the series wrong. You never proved any of my points wrong actually.

I have explained many times above what Gun really meant, go read it.

 

[Dinozxd]

I don't see any evidence here that Vasco reacted to Daniel.

Vasco literally has his eyes fully opened in a surprised manner while UI was kicking him.

In short, Daniel is as powerful as generation 0.

Yes because he was fighting someone as powerful as a gen 0 fighter

You literally said that UI Daniel matches his opponent's strength dude. Why are you contradicting yourself just to oppose my claims?

The inability of Vasco, Samuel or other characters to react proves my point.

When couldn't they react to his attacks? The narrative itself states that he can't outspeed his opponents massively like your calc suggests so. What is there to talk about?

I have explained many times above what Gun really meant, go read it.

Characters state multiple times that UI Daniel matches his opponent's strenght and gets stronger as the opponent gets stronger and vice versa.

 

[Viott]

Vasco literally has his eyes fully opened in a surprised manner while UI was kicking him.

Yes because he was fighting someone as powerful as a gen 0 fighter

You literally said that UI Daniel matches his opponent's strength dude. Why are you contradicting yourself just to oppose my claims?

When couldn't they react to his attacks? The narrative itself states that he can't outspeed his opponents massively like your calc suggests so. What is there to talk about?

Characters state multiple times that UI Daniel matches his opponent's strenght and gets stronger as the opponent gets stronger and vice versa.

Obviously this needs to be closed for now because I don't have time to comment because the exam is coming up.

I'll open it again after the exam.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Could I have a simplified summary?

 

[Viott]

Could I have a simplified summary?

I don't have much time right now so can you close this?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Okay