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Look Outside
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Ooooo nice start. What do you think the Visitor's gaze would be indexed as? I assumed Subjective Reality along with Biological and Madness Manipulation, but the Unity ending does make it a bit more weird. Also, we probably need a calc for the Visitor's size, or at least the portion of it we see in the Truth ending.
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Unity ending prevents the Visitor from using its gaze on anyone outside of its own verse
it's canon that everything in the Look Outside universe is made of the Visitor but nothing else is
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why is rush braver's stats all over the place?, their durability is planet+ and their attack potency is solar system+, I'm assuming that the stats are just place holders. also the visitor doesn't just reach the oort cloud, its so large that when zooming out the sun becomes a pixel and that still isn't its full size.
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I would also give sam some degree of resistance to madness manipulation and/or mind manipulation because he manage to remain sane after being transformed into . . . whatever he became in the denial ending
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Definitely, his mind only breaks if he's forced to comprehend the Visitor's full scale.
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In addition, Sybil's notes mention that the Visitor is universe spanning, so it's full form could be 3-B. Not sure that would scale since the portion of it encountered is only a small piece that gained self-awareness.
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For Sam's stats, I feel like he's definitely 9-B to 9-A since even early on he can solo massive things like the Grinning Beast, with him fighting sentient cars/vans later. For the endgame I think you could argue that he scales above the 100 Gods shown in the No Going Back Ending (so anywhere from 8-B to somewhere in tier 7 going by their sizes), as he can fight the Exalted Four (who rule unopposed in their endings, meaning they're beyond the 100 Gods).
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how does Sam outscale the 100 Gods in the No Going Back ending?
he doesn't do anything in this ending
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Visitor should probably be at least 4B since it dwarfs the sun in size, but the sun being a pixel still doesn't necessarily make the Visitor since the sun is a dime compared to a football field sized solar system, meaning the sun is hundreds of thousands of times smaller than the Solar System, with the Visitor's visage not being quite that big. 4A would also require the visitor to span the distance between solar systems which is even larger, so we could maybe put the Visitor at "At least 4B, likely far higher" just cuz of size, but there's not enough evidence to suggest that it could actually be beyond that.
me personally I think 4A is reasonable cuz the visitor could be way way bigger but 3C might not be
XIN-AMON should be 5B cuz it assimilated the earth's mass and is literally just the planet at this point
Perfect Ritual (Denial) Sam should be 5C/Low 5B cuz he covers the planet but didn't assimilate it, not sure what the specific calcs for that would be, meanwhile Perfect Ritual (Truth) Sam would be stronger since he actively eats things instead of growing naturally so he'd be higher but he also didn't assimilate the planet
me personally I think 4A is reasonable cuz the visitor could be way way bigger but 3C might not be
XIN-AMON should be 5B cuz it assimilated the earth's mass and is literally just the planet at this point
Perfect Ritual (Denial) Sam should be 5C/Low 5B cuz he covers the planet but didn't assimilate it, not sure what the specific calcs for that would be, meanwhile Perfect Ritual (Truth) Sam would be stronger since he actively eats things instead of growing naturally so he'd be higher but he also didn't assimilate the planet
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The main roadblock I see with this verse is that it can't use its hax against anyone outside of their verse
everything on the planet is made of Visitor mass and they've only been shown to be able to affect other visitor mass beings
everything on the planet is made of Visitor mass and they've only been shown to be able to affect other visitor mass beings
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He'd outscale them in the Perfect Ritual Endings because he defeated the Exalted Four, who rule the world unopposed in Screaming Skies. Which implies the Exalted Four > 100 Gods who can only rule the world if the Exalted Four, Cursed Sam or XIN-AMON don't exist.
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I mean aside from the Visitor's reality warping I don't see why not? Most of the smaller level stuff is just normal abilities. I could see an argument for absorption abilities not working (since they probably only work on other Visitor matter), but why wouldn't stuff like status effects work?
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a lot of the hax in look outside involves some sort of assimilation, bio manip, and possession, with the first 2 definitely not working against non-visitor characters and the latter idk
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didn't he go insane from much less in the Flawed Ritual Ending
I feel like his resistance to mind manipulation should be separated between different keys, with each ending being a different key, due to the inconsistencies
I also want to mention that Sam's Denial/Truth form should have resistance to every hax in the series to a certain extent, since in the Denial ending he fixes the entire world and presumably subdues every hostile Cursed in the world as well, and if other Cursed have any similar haxes to the Cursed we see in Sam's apartment he should have the resistances. In the Truth ending he basically does the same thing except he kills everyone, not just cursed
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that's a really good point
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wouldnt the visitor also be categorized as a reality warper as well some dude that was helping the admins said that i didnt explain why rush sam is solor system level yet i had a thing showing him killing the visitor whos body goes as far as the oort cloud
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yea thats around the level i was finna put him at but i also included rush sam in it too due to him tanking hits from the visitor in that form his durbility would have to be planet level most likely higher and with meteor strike, i feel its safe to say it could be solor system level but the safe bet would be like planet level as you see in the visual even tho he defeated a much larger being with it
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If someone can get footage for any Tier 9/8 feats, I can calc. I remember there being a lot of bombs/explosives.
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wouldnt it be safer to put the visitor in unknown the game explicitly leaves out its attacking capabilities i like 4b tho
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I'll send more stuff tomorrow, but here's a video of the Grinning Beast stuff and how she compares to Sam size wise. One of the wikis also has her full chase sprite if you need it. I think the car enemies would also be good to calc and Sam surviving a 3 floor elevator crash in the Elevator Thing fight (couldn't find a video of it yet, but this wiki has a description of the attack). Other than that, there's also the size of the 100 Gods, who could be argued to scale to an endgame party/some of the final bosses (all the images of them are under the "No Going Back" Ending).
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We'd definitely need a calc of the Visitor's size (or at least what we see of it) for the Rush Braver Sam Key. I haven't done the ending yet so I can't say much else about what abilities it would give him and how much of the Visitor he would scale to (if it's the whole thing then he could be possibly 3-B due to it being "universe-spanning" as described in Sybil's notes).
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a picture of that sybil quote would be good
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Possible, but the issue here would be finding out how to get KE, given it's weird shape that doesn't really match anything we could scale up.
Similar calcs got 9-B
I'd very easily be able to calc the explosions of the Super Explosive, Fat Landmine, and similar explosives. So getting a clip of those would be appreciated.
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Hell yeah.
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Here's a video of the note, it's the one you read to get the Unity ending (5:49 is when it shows up).
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Here's the quote itself:
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"This is why and how it can change us. It can change us the same way it can change itself. An enormous, god-like, universe- spanning being with billions of fragmented minds holding on to scraps of individuality by a thread."
Sorry about the double post, didn't work the first time.
Sorry about the double post, didn't work the first time.
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i can reinstall it give myself all the shit and use the ones i feel like you need is that cool?
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I've found a few videos, but not everything. Maybe we should make a list of notable feats first?
Also, while I could possibly do something higher, I really only like to do Tier 10-Tier 8 calcs. I know there's some stuff bigger than that, but I'd like to hand those feats off to someone else.
Also, while I could possibly do something higher, I really only like to do Tier 10-Tier 8 calcs. I know there's some stuff bigger than that, but I'd like to hand those feats off to someone else.
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First calc blog done.
- Shrimp Knight uses his lance - 204,272.72 Joules - (Wall level, 9-B)
- Olm GPE - 544,085.56 Joules (Wall level, 9-B)
- Explosive/Super Explosive - 965,231.68 Joules (Wall level, 9-B)
- Sapper Charge - 0.0193 Tons of TNT (Small Building level, 9-A)
- Olm KE - 0.0407 Tons of TNT (Small Building level, 9-A)
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sheer size dictates 4B
like sure it doesn't attack in game but if smthn that big tried punching you it'd probably be 4B
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the visitor only manipulates its own mass
so idk if he'd be a reality warper
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I'd give him subjective reality tbh. Some of the shapeshifting is too abstract to be only biological.
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ok fair
he does manipulate time with those military guys by accident
but this wouldn't be combat applicable since it doesn't affect non-visitor mass
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