Fortnite Continuity

[PurposeDevine00]

Fortnite doesn't have anything that big on its own justifying it

And besides messing with DCs and Marvel's lore with the tier 0

Why does Fortnite have to have something big of its own to justify it? Isn't the whole point of this to see what's canon based on what is said about them by the creators and copyright holders?

This is the type of mindset one should not aim to have.

Despite the creators and copyright holders stating they're canon to each other, your argument is that since Fortnite doesn't have a Tier 0 or something big enough, it can't be canon and the editorial statements don't mean anything.

 

[Mythic381]

I find it really difficult to believe that we cannot establish a crossover in SOME capacity, given Marvel and DC have been the most consistent and concise crossovers to touch Fortnite, with years upon years of multi-media content.

How exactly are you going to establish a crossover for scaling if the entire point of the counterarguments is that crossover scaling would create a problem?

 

[PurposeDevine00]

Like I said before:

The entire thread is actively ignoring the cosmology of all 3 verses and how incompatible they are. And like Ayo said, the only evidence is promotional advertisement.

How exactly are Marvel Comics' and Invincible's Cosmologies incompatible with Fortnite's?

In Storm: Earth's Mightiest Mutant #4, we are literally shown how the Omniverse works and I've already explained all of this. There are Multiverse Clusters inside the Omniverse and each Cluster represents an series/setting. On panel, we could see the Jujutsu Kaisen and Gachiakuta Clusters among other franchises.

So how exactly are Marvel Comics and Fortnite incompatible when you are given this to go off? I'm not trying to mix their individual Universes or Multiverses, that does not work and is not even implied anywhere. The point of this is that they have a shared Continuity.

With Invincible, it's literally just shown to be a different Dimension/Universes and vice versa.

You are trying to create an issue that does not exist or has already been addressed.

However, with DC, it hasn't been fully explained yet so I can't say for sure.

 

[Tomfer]

How exactly are Marvel Comics' and Invincible's Cosmologies incompatible with Fortnite's?

In Storm: Earth's Mightiest Mutant #4, we are literally shown how the Omniverse works and I've already explained all of this. There are Multiverse Clusters inside the Omniverse and each Cluster represents an series/setting. On panel, we could see the Jujutsu Kaisen and Gachiakuta Clusters among other franchises.

So how exactly are Marvel Comics and Fortnite incompatible when you are given this to go off? I'm not trying to mix their individual Universes or Multiverses, that does not work and is not even implied anywhere. The point of this is that they have a shared Continuity.

With Invincible, it's literally just shown to be a different Dimension/Universes and vice versa.

You are trying to create an issue that does not exist or has already been addressed.

However, with DC, it hasn't been fully explained yet so I can't say for sure.

Not even Reed Richards can stretch as much as this.

How exactly are Marvel Comics' and Invincible's Cosmologies incompatible with Fortnite's?

We do not treat Invincible like it's canon to the cosmology.

In Storm: Earth's Mightiest Mutant #4, we are literally shown how the Omniverse works and I've already explained all of this. There are Multiverse Clusters inside the Omniverse and each Cluster represents an series/setting. On panel, we could see the Jujutsu Kaisen and Gachiakuta Clusters among other franchises.

Besides the fact that this comic is bad and was actively ruining previous writers work. This proves nothing? Unless you're saying that JJK, Lovecraft's universe, and whatever else, is canon to Marvel now? If you treat this more than just a funny reference, than that's a you problem.

So how exactly are Marvel Comics and Fortnite incompatible when you are given this to go off? I'm not trying to mix their individual Universes or Multiverses, that does not work and is not even implied anywhere. The point of this is that they have a shared Continuity.

All your "proof" is nothing but fun references and marvel begging for us to buy fortnite comics.

With Invincible, it's literally just shown to be a different Dimension/Universes and vice versa.

Yet, we still not scale Invincible to anything to Marvel. Like I said, it was just a fun cameo. Same thing with Spawn.

You are trying to create an issue that does not exist or has already been addressed.

The fact that you did not think about any the problems we have spoken of shows that you either lack the interest to properly research the cosmologies you're trying to merge, or you're purposely ignoring any problems just to have funny tiers in Fortnite's profiles.

Pulling the Invincible and JJK card just shows how cameos work with Marvel. They're nothing but cool moments to get people talking. They're not meant to be taken seriously.

 

[PurposeDevine00]

Read my previous messages on the first page. Literally all the scans in the OP that I looked at (which is everything except the Invincible and LEGO stuff iirc) are either:
-Meaningless promotional hype
-Statements from a few Marvel/DC writers who have NO authority on what’s canon
-Statements about the crossover like “we put a lot of effort into this” that are obviously not indicative of any shared canon
Also I am 99% sure those comic lines are one off Elseworld stories that are not even connected to the main narrative in any capacity.

1. I already addressed your "promotional" thing before this was closed. To summarize, it does not matter at all. Just because something is advertised and promoted does not make it meaningless. Its even more ridiculous to say that when the statements in question were made outside of the promotional window and materials.

I also don't think you understand what a promotional statements is. An example is: "Go check out our brand new issues of x series that released on July 27. Bonus available if purchased in store."

That is an example of a promotional statement. Its whole purpose is to promote a material to a certain audience. Nowhere did I present such a statement as evidence.

I also don't think you understand how marketing works. They have to advertise in order to get sales but just because that is one of their primary goals does not mean everything else is meaningless. Every new media or material you've seen has been advertised, promoted and hyped in some way and form but that does not make the content and meaning of the material meaningless. The whole point of it is to get people to see the thing, not to lie to them. If you believe they lied that is something you have to prove.

Lastly, lets look at the the contents to see if they actually delivered like they said they would. They released two whole comic series, two whole tie-ins and a whole Season in Fortnite following those said events. That totally seems very meaningless to me.

This is your whole argument: "Yeah sorry Marvel and Epic Games, your verses can't be canon because when you released these things you advertised and promoted your stuff in order to get sales and people to see them and even though you've confirmed canonicity multiple times already in different sources, It's meaningless because you promoted." Very compelling argument.

And like Endou_God_Hand stated, this is years of clear shared continuity, collaborations and crossovers that you are trying to frame as meaningless just because comics were promoted. Like tell me a single comic series that has never been promoted before.

Lastly, looking within the comics themselves which is objectively outside of the promotional window, it's literally shown to be canon. What do you have to say about that? Fortnite X Marvel - Nexus War: Thor (2020) #1, Wolverine (2020-2024) and X-Factor (2020-2021).

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2. I also already went over this. You have don't know how the comic industry works and the legal and creative foundations that are in place especially with crossovers dealing with other IPs and elements. For Donny Cates to make the statement that he did that affects all the IPs and elements involved, the editorial at Marvel and Epic Games have to give permission and approve of said statement regarding canonicity. And I also showed you the statement from Mark Basso (outside of promotional window btw) confirming Canonicity. And we also have Marvel themselves confirming Canonicity as I showed you already multiple times and Donald Mustard himself.

According to you, the author, the editorial team, the EIC and CCO all have no authority on what's Canon.

-Statements about the crossover like “we put a lot of effort into this” that are obviously not indicative of any shared canon.

Yeah and where exactly did I show such a statement? What is the point of saying this when it doesn't even apply?

Also I am 99% sure those comic lines are one off Elseworld stories that are not even connected to the main narrative in any capacity.

Okay so you're saying all of this despite never actually reading the comics themselves? with a 99% certainty as well? Wow, you are an impressive person. I also gave you the exact issue and date of the comics if you want to just take like a minute or so and google them and give them a quick read.

 

[Endou_God_Hand]

How exactly are you going to establish a crossover for scaling if the entire point of the counterarguments is that crossover scaling would create a problem?

TBF I don't really have a foot in the race in regards of actually scaling stats wise, etc. I simply do not support or feel the argument of "There is no possibility for crossover scaling because the source material / promotional material doesn't support it" is wrong, but I think the most important thing is that Fortnite can't be scaled properly without accepting crossovers in some capacity.

Entire seasons of lore revolve around other properties, like Chapter 5 Season 4 "Absolute Doom" which is entirely based on the Avenger's taking down Doctor Doom, Chapter 2 Season 4's Nexus War revolves around Thor, Galactus, and the Avengers.
Even in casual gameplay, weapons such as Gojo's Hollow Purple, Detroit Smash, John Wick's pistol, batarang's, etc. would need to be indexed, and you can't do that if you don't allow crossovers.

The idea that the cosmologies are incompatible is something I don't think I could properly debate, and frankly that probably should be addressed alongside this CRT, however, suggesting that Fortnite is not eligible for crossover scaling at all, not even one way, feels incredibly disingenuous when you view the nature of Fortnite, how it presents it's lore, and how it especially has a very intimate relationship with DC Comics and Marvel.

Also in what regard are the X-Men, Wolverine, etc. scans from official comics "Elseworld" stories? Even within the context of the comic itself, the scenes are part of a main comic run, and the issues they belong to are too.