Ser_Hakim_Dayne
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So, how does the kinetic energy generated to create the Oregon and Michigan Swords scale to the swords' AP? (This is a genuine question, not a criticism btw.)
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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
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Arkenis
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Some disagreements on it, but the weapons should retain their mass since Yoru makes it clear the weapons still have their mass like when she used all them at once. Though without that agreement, it'd just be environmental destruction not ap.
Saqphire
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Can’t really be true due to her own LS anti feats
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When she told this?
Arkenis
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When her and Denij are falling she says the weapons are heavy.
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That's mainly because her arm was turned into a large gun bigger than her body. She manages it, but Denji is the one that notes that it is heavy. That is not the same as compressing the entire mass of a state into a small sword and then calling it heavy because of that. Otherwise, Denji's entire leg would have been ripped off from the sheer weight of the gun gauntlet.
I believe her weapons retain the energy of the structures they were created from, but time and time again the manga shows that they do not scale to their weight. For example, Asa struggles to carry Yuko while sprinting and Yoru suggests that she should simply ditch her. The foundation for this argument is nearly nonexistent.
I believe her weapons retain the energy of the structures they were created from, but time and time again the manga shows that they do not scale to their weight. For example, Asa struggles to carry Yuko while sprinting and Yoru suggests that she should simply ditch her. The foundation for this argument is nearly nonexistent.
Arkenis
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Regardless of who says it, the mass of the weapons are still there. Asa's struggling is an example of her failing at critical moments, it isn't to show her being weak. But if you don't think so, are you merging the arcs since you don't think she got stronger since the Justice arc to FD? How can the weapons retain energy if they are losing their mass? Or do you mean the special abilities?
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This doesn't mean it weighs as much as a whole state.
Arkenis
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If you don't think so, then what explains why the mass would be removed?
Breadbear83
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Is falling devil here snapping Yorus arms, and she regenerates?, this should scale Falling Devil LS to Post a nuclear Yoru who scales to Part 2 Pochita (Class T), right, and Falling devil having an AP comparable to 28% Gun Devil durability or her City Level durability?, also Yoru pages earlier casually regenerated from Falling Devil putting a whole spear down her head, that's Low-Mid or Mid regeneration?
I was also thinking that Post nuclear weapons Yoru gaining natural devil regeneration, and making devil contracts as a devil (before this she made a contract with the aging devil) would mean that in this key she gets standard devil physiology (or Friend)
(Btw here it seems as if Yorus arms had bones and stuff instead of being like metal due to being made of the gun and tank devil, if I recall Pochita biting them was spitting blood too)
I was also thinking that Post nuclear weapons Yoru gaining natural devil regeneration, and making devil contracts as a devil (before this she made a contract with the aging devil) would mean that in this key she gets standard devil physiology (or Friend)
(Btw here it seems as if Yorus arms had bones and stuff instead of being like metal due to being made of the gun and tank devil, if I recall Pochita biting them was spitting blood too)
Bruh
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Me think NuclearYoru and the other god tier should scale to 7-B+ and Class T via this feat of Yoru withstanding and overpowering a serious attack from Falling which should be above her unintentional, passive feat. On Yoru natural regen outside of her contract, it should be Mid via her regen from Falling putting a spear in her headIs falling devil here snapping Yorus arms, and she regenerates?, this should scale Falling Devil LS to Post a nuclear Yoru who scales to Part 2 Pochita (Class T), right, and Falling devil having an AP comparable to 28% Gun Devil durability or her City Level durability?, also Yoru pages earlier casually regenerated from Falling Devil putting a whole spear down her head, that's Low-Mid or Mid regeneration?
I was also thinking that Post nuclear weapons Yoru gaining natural devil regeneration, and making devil contracts as a devil (before this she made a contract with the aging devil) would mean that in this key she gets standard devil physiology (or Friend)
(Btw here it seems as if Yorus arms had bones and stuff instead of being like metal due to being made of the gun and tank devil, if I recall Pochita biting them was spitting blood too)
Breadbear83
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finished 2 LS calcs that can be good for low tiers
btw, for the Fish Devil weight, even if we didnt see the fight Aki and Himeno had against him, we see his corpse on land, clearly not moving there by himself but rather Aki and Himeno pushing him there (as they´re alone, no help), Himeno even calls him a small fry devil
overall, we get other scenes where Aki kills large size devils offscreen, for constantly fighting heavy characters he´d need an LS that can resist being rammed sometime, so maybe it could be proposed Class 50 for Aki?
btw, for the Fish Devil weight, even if we didnt see the fight Aki and Himeno had against him, we see his corpse on land, clearly not moving there by himself but rather Aki and Himeno pushing him there (as they´re alone, no help), Himeno even calls him a small fry devil
overall, we get other scenes where Aki kills large size devils offscreen, for constantly fighting heavy characters he´d need an LS that can resist being rammed sometime, so maybe it could be proposed Class 50 for Aki?
updated with the new calcs
Breadbear83
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btw could Yoru scale to Class K from ripping Mr tanaka spine? she doesnt have telekinesis here so rather its her own strength pulling the spine, with the sounds of the spine slowly breaking
The_Renegade_Slugger
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That makes sense to me
Bruh
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A bit iffy since he was mid transformation but maybe ?
Breadbear83
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Hey y'all, I'm working on a CRT of characters abilities (barely started cuz I have calcs and other stuff too), and I was wondering if the "change" in the Nostradamus prophecy can give some character acausality type 4?
Here's some scans to explain:
Basically, the actual original Nostradamus prophecy is vague on just saying that "the great king of terror will descend in July 1999", and from that humanity assumes it means the end of humanity, as it's consistently believed that it meant the death devil, and for some reason Lil'd fully believing it will happen like that, with her powers activating, as it's requires theorizing to say that it's because the original prophecy said that too, maybe ignore this last thing
But main thing is the future devil, he predicting that 23/30 of people will die in July 1999, and Lil'd assuming the other 7/30 will be killed when falling devil arrives
The future devil is consistently shown to have accurate predictions with he predicting Aki's death early, he not avoiding it even while trying, and so Pochita arrival
Now here's the thung, Lil'd herself says that her attempts to change the prophecy changed it, somehow it was made so her powers won't activate but yoru being the problem now, but she saying it changed it, she is right on that
Death devil being erased made it so there's no way for 23/30 (or remaining) of humanity die, the prophecy was definitively changed, who's the "great king of terror" can be theorized to be yoru or the bug devil's, the change in the prophecy change being it, but moreso future devil's prediction
I'd see it as possibly Lil'd having acausality type 4 for outright saying to have changed the prophecy, but more for Pochita erasing her making it so future devil prediction not happening
Originally I thought that Pochita having that ability from erasing himself, but erasing death seems more fitting
Here's some scans to explain:
Basically, the actual original Nostradamus prophecy is vague on just saying that "the great king of terror will descend in July 1999", and from that humanity assumes it means the end of humanity, as it's consistently believed that it meant the death devil, and for some reason Lil'd fully believing it will happen like that, with her powers activating, as it's requires theorizing to say that it's because the original prophecy said that too, maybe ignore this last thing
But main thing is the future devil, he predicting that 23/30 of people will die in July 1999, and Lil'd assuming the other 7/30 will be killed when falling devil arrives
The future devil is consistently shown to have accurate predictions with he predicting Aki's death early, he not avoiding it even while trying, and so Pochita arrival
Now here's the thung, Lil'd herself says that her attempts to change the prophecy changed it, somehow it was made so her powers won't activate but yoru being the problem now, but she saying it changed it, she is right on that
Death devil being erased made it so there's no way for 23/30 (or remaining) of humanity die, the prophecy was definitively changed, who's the "great king of terror" can be theorized to be yoru or the bug devil's, the change in the prophecy change being it, but moreso future devil's prediction
I'd see it as possibly Lil'd having acausality type 4 for outright saying to have changed the prophecy, but more for Pochita erasing her making it so future devil prediction not happening
Originally I thought that Pochita having that ability from erasing himself, but erasing death seems more fitting
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