Loki's Magical Prowess? (Try 2)

[TheMightyRegulator]

I see. Considering they are the only quantifiable feats of magic Loki has ever displayed I'm not sure they should be disregarded as outliers. More input would be appreciated.

 

[Gemmysaur]

I agree with more input as well.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

It's a new day. Bumping for more opinions.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Anyone?

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Please?

 

[SomebodyData]

Calm down Mighty, although can anyone bring a marvel expert?

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Sorry...

 

[SomebodyData]

Dang, we need marvel experts(thought we had more)

Bump for Mighty

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the problem, as usual, is that Marvel is so ridiculously inconsistent from decade to decade and writer to writer, along with that Loki does not have a lot of explicit destructive feats of his own.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

So of course, we've pretty much have to go with what he's listed "officially" in the handbooks. Is tht rite? @Ant

 

[Eldritch_abomination]

Possible loki speed feats

http://imgur.com/Z8yguaC

here it stated that he moves at the speed of thought

http://imgur.com/6dZglS6

Here, you can see an example of just how fast the speed of thought is.

Loki flies out in to space, then back to Earth, at light speeds.

(though the last one is debatable)


Note: no one knows for sure what is the speed of thought....though there is many speculation http://www.livescience.com/51376-how-long-fast-does-a-thought-travel.html

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

@Crossverse Apparently Loki, magic wise, has no one to scale to in the handbook either.

@Antvasima , right, like Loki still losing to the likes of Thor, Odin and even being killed by the void.

I can always explain this away by saying "but Loki is a glass canon," "but Loki has in story CIS," "but none of the characters at those moments were depicted at any particular Level within the particular story when they defeated him in battle" etc. Etc.

As with every Marvel feat, I'm not 100% sure this is logical but it's the only quantifiable feats I've found, though they involve powerscaling, and are fairly consistent.

I wouldn't bring it up if the characters were depicted at full power when Loki faced them. Hm.

We'll likely have to put a "Probably Universe level+ " due to the dubious nature of Marvel, if this is accepted.

 

[Antvasima]

Loki is most definitely not Universe level+. He has never demonstrated anything remotely approaching that scale, and officially, on his own without magic, he is not listed particularly high at all, just being on the level of an ordinary Asgardian.

He has usually been demonstrated as having extremely versatile magic power, but does not have scalable high-level destructive feats, and is usually depicted as vastly inferior to Thor in direct combat, but Thor's usual depicted scale of power can be anywhere from Wall to Planet level.

 

[Antvasima]

That said, yes, if we could have simply scaled him to matching the Silver Surfer or beating Doctor Strange, that would have been easy enough, but the Surfer was not very powerful at all back in the 1960s, and neither was Doctor Strange, which gives us a near impossible task.

 

[Antvasima]

If he has ever flown interstellar distances in a brief period of time, we could at least give him MFTL+ flight speed though.

 

[Xantospoc22]

Back when Loki fought Strange, Strange was only a mere apprentiece. It took several stories before strange got his CAPE, much less his title as Sorceror Supreme

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

I was basing my argument on him having the power of a Universe, actually, the Dr.Strange powerscaling was just an added bonus, but okay, I understand.

He's only flown stellar distances in Astral form.

How about Multi-Continent Loki?



He, apparently, "killed the Earth".

 

[Antvasima]

That is an alternative future version of Loki though.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Yeah, I was thinking of making keys to reflect the recent retcons of the character, or at least create a new page for him like we did the Beyonder, keeping them separate. I have no more feats for Classic Loki unfortunately so I guess this can be closed. I'm currently reading several Marvel comics, attempting to gather whatever information possible, but I haven't made much progress unfortunately.

 

[Antvasima]

I have read lots of appearances with Loki, and although there are instances of, for example, that he effortlessly overpowered Magneto and the Mandarin at the same time during Acts Of Vengeance, neither was displayed at particularly high levels at the time.

Similarly, he overpowered the Erik Masterson replacement Thor, if I remember correctly, but I do not know if it is appropriate to scale from.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Neither do I. What are his feats? I know he defeated Thanos in a story where he laid waste to half the Universe and sealed a wormhole but I'm not sure either of these things are quantifiable.

 

[Sora'sOther]

Here's a respect thread http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/loki-respect-thread-1704617/

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Most seem to be unquantifiable except for the one that states he's faster than lightning. Interesting travel speed feat.

 

[Damico22]

just put him at planet level

 

[Antvasima]

Mind you, I think that Loki with magic probably is at least planet level, but it would still be guesswork.

 

[Eldritch_abomination]

I was basing my argument on him having the power of a Universe, actually, the Dr.Strange powerscaling was just an added bonus, but okay, I understand.
He's only flown stellar distances in Astral form.

How about Multi-Continent Loki?



He, apparently, "killed the Earth".

In that same story loki became the god of stories(warps reality with the tales he weaves) and survived when existence was erased.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

God of Stories is an entirely different Loki. Though King Loki survived it was only by escaping the Multiverse.

 

[Eldritch_abomination]

God of Stories is an entirely different Loki. Though King Loki survived it was only by escaping the Multiverse.

he is the current incarnation of Loki "god of stories" his new role

God of trickery(classic Loki)>God of evil(avenger villain Loki)>the god of lies and trickery(kid Loki)>god of stories(the Loki that survived the incursions and is now in marvel now)

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

I know he's the current incarnation, but he's not the Multi-continent version I was referring.

 

[Antvasima]

The god of stories Loki managed to collect and contain Odin and all of the Asgardians, so he was probably the most powerful version at the end of his Al Ewing written storyarc.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Well, I thought he was simply very hax. However, I guess Unknow. Likely Multi-Continent level via powerscaling wouldn't be unreasonable as the God of Stories was depicted as some kind of evolution.

Anyway, is Loki's powerscaling to Masterson Thor viable? Masterson Thor matched and defeated Gladiator in a story line where he had power of the stars.

At Least Large Star level Loki?

 

[Gemmysaur]

How does Loki scale to Masthorson? Wait, how is Masthorson Large Star level?

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

I've already provided the scan to answer your latter question. Loki defeated him through sorcery.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Oh, that's the one. I like that Masthorson talks cool and all, but I seriously question his intelligence.

Regardless, that's good enough for me, though hurting him is something I'd like to ask how though. It's one thing to catch him and effectively disable him, it's another to knock him out or atleast damage him.


EDIT: Oh wait, Loki was hurting him. My bad.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

So is this alright then?

 

[Gemmysaur]

I'm fine with that. That was the tier I was expecting Loki to fall in in the first place.

 

[Antvasima]

Gladiator's power was just stated to have power born of the stars, not to be star level, and Masterson Thor was fettered by mere machinery. It is still not much useful to scale from, as it seems more like the usual Marvel Plot Induced Stupidity of characters being adjusted in power level to each other.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

We seem to be going in circles. It'd be better if I return to this character after reading everything.