Logic Manipulation Addition Thread

[Employe]

Alright, thanks for explaining

With what I have to work with here, this seems like it would only get "possibly Logic Manipulation" listed, and even that's being pretty generous. If you have more scans/evidence though, feel free to present it.

I mean, tbh, it mentions a classical logic contradiction after assessment about "stripping away logic", not to mention it says it in the context of describing the other effects like "causing sanity yield to madness" which we know for sure dissonant can do, as such I really doubt it we can just dismiss it as a metaphorical language, especially since this is a scientific report, so I think it gives at least some hints. But yes, otherwise I run out of evidence

I will wait for opinions of others, though, and until then will just stick to Information/Law hax

 

[Jin2188]

Alright, thanks for explaining

I mean, tbh, it mentions a classical logic contradiction after assessment about "stripping away logic", not to mention it says it in the context of describing the other effects like "causing sanity yield to madness" which we know for sure dissonant can do, as such I really doubt it we can just dismiss it as a metaphorical language, especially since this is a scientific report, so I think it gives at least some hints. But yes, otherwise I run out of evidence

I will wait for opinions of others, though, and until then will just stick to Information/Law hax

Yeah that's why I was saying you could make an argument for it, I just don't really see it personally, and most of the staff knowledgeable about this stuff are quite a bit stricter then me. Probably just stick with info/law/concept hax, yeah.

 

[Employe]

Yeah that's why I was saying you could make an argument for it, I just don't really see it personally, and most of the staff knowledgeable about this stuff are quite a bit stricter then me. Probably just stick with info/law/concept hax, yeah.

By the way, Dissonant reality is also shown to cause this effect on victims (they seemingly start "float" which I guess could be connected to "up is down" statement), I imagine it doesn't really add much and probably will just qualify for Gravity/Law abilities, but nonetheless

 

[Antvasima]

@DontTalkDT

It seems like we need some help from you here.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

@Jin2188 Does that qualify under that criteria?
A Demon Lord is capable of doing things that are impossible according to the governing Logic/Reason that defines what is possible and impossible within the logic of the world, by directly overturning/overwriting/changing all Reason of the world with his own rules, essentially, Reason is an actual governing aspect of the world alongside Concepts and Laws, but is distinct from them.

As should be obvious by now, simple statements of characters "doing the impossible" or "breaking logic" are not nearly enough to qualify for this ability. Characters must be shown to be capable of directly interfering with a form of deductive reasoning that tangibly governs their verse's reality, and acts as the grounding for intelligibility within the verse.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

@Jin2188 Does that qualify under that criteria?
A Demon Lord is capable of doing things that are impossible according to the governing Logic/Reason that defines what is possible and impossible within the logic of the world, by directly overturning/overwriting/changing all Reason of the world with his own rules, essentially, Reason is an actual governing aspect of the world alongside Concepts and Laws, but is distinct from them.

considering there's no actual specific effects or results given that'd break classical logic it doesnt seem to qualify.

 

[Jin2188]

@Jin2188 Does that qualify under that criteria?
A Demon Lord is capable of doing things that are impossible according to the governing Logic/Reason that defines what is possible and impossible within the logic of the world, by directly overturning/overwriting/changing all Reason of the world with his own rules, essentially, Reason is an actual governing aspect of the world alongside Concepts and Laws, but is distinct from them.

Seems like Law Manipulation with a bit of Conceptual Manipulation sprinkled in. Don't think it qualifies.

 

[Orioreeem]

What's going on?' He had yet again ensconced his nascent divinity, which actually came as a great shock to him. After all, it was second step Great Sages who, as they entered the Nirvanic Resurrection Step, would ensconce their nascent divinity somewhere. It was an iron-clad rule that the ensconcement could only happen once. In fact, it was as much of a constant as the equation 1+1=2. Never before had anyone ever ensconced their nascent divinity twice.

Yet Yang Qi had just ensconced his nascent divinity in both the Hell of Mahănata and the Hell of Gloom and Darkness. It wasn't just a miracle, it was a complete contradiction of the fundamental principles of cultivation.

'It's a violation of universal truth...' he thought.

All of a sudden, a booming voice filled his mind. 'The legion of gods can change truth. Truth exists beneath us...'




Yang Qi attacked like a dragon or tiger, lunging through the sword light directly toward Traceless Slasher. He thrust his palm out, and it contained power to destroy myriads of worlds and crush magical laws of all types. All truth existed in that palm, truth that existed outside of truth, nothing else. It was with casual abandon that Yang Qi controlled the truths of safety and defense. These were actions that were within the realm of the legion of gods!

Traceless Slasher's jaw dropped as he realized that this palm attack was something that no daoist technique or sword energy could do anything about. Anything sent against this technique would be instantly fettered; it could change metal to wood, wood to water, and so on. It could completely subvert the five phases! It was a power that Yang Qi could only use by drawing fully on his Blood of the One God, thanks to the level of his cultivation base.

What do you guys think about this?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

What's going on?' He had yet again ensconced his nascent divinity, which actually came as a great shock to him. After all, it was second step Great Sages who, as they entered the Nirvanic Resurrection Step, would ensconce their nascent divinity somewhere. It was an iron-clad rule that the ensconcement could only happen once. In fact, it was as much of a constant as the equation 1+1=2. Never before had anyone ever ensconced their nascent divinity twice.

Yet Yang Qi had just ensconced his nascent divinity in both the Hell of Mahănata and the Hell of Gloom and Darkness. It wasn't just a miracle, it was a complete contradiction of the fundamental principles of cultivation.

'It's a violation of universal truth...' he thought.

All of a sudden, a booming voice filled his mind. 'The legion of gods can change truth. Truth exists beneath us...'




Yang Qi attacked like a dragon or tiger, lunging through the sword light directly toward Traceless Slasher. He thrust his palm out, and it contained power to destroy myriads of worlds and crush magical laws of all types. All truth existed in that palm, truth that existed outside of truth, nothing else. It was with casual abandon that Yang Qi controlled the truths of safety and defense. These were actions that were within the realm of the legion of gods!

Traceless Slasher's jaw dropped as he realized that this palm attack was something that no daoist technique or sword energy could do anything about. Anything sent against this technique would be instantly fettered; it could change metal to wood, wood to water, and so on. It could completely subvert the five phases! It was a power that Yang Qi could only use by drawing fully on his Blood of the One God, thanks to the level of his cultivation base.

What do you guys think about this?

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