Llama God VS Succ God

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Arceus: 0

Tiamat-Lilith: 2

Inconclusive: 0

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Tiamat-bae stomps. Type 1 abstracts embodying type 2 concepts are above Arceus's paygrade when his conceptual is type 3 and she resists conceptual manipulation.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I remember Celestial saying God's conceptual manipulation is type 3 (In Tokyo Babel)

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It is? I thought it was type 2.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

In one of the strongest character for every tier threads he said "Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation = Dead God"

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Well then, I say Tiamat erases and tanks Arceus's stuff via resistance to conceptual manipulation.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Tiamat-bae stomps. Type 1 abstracts embodying type 2 concepts are above Arceus's paygrade when his conceptual is type 3 and she resists conceptual manipulation.

It does not take Arceus to kill Lilith, it just needs to use Multiversal BFR and so Lilith gets lost in a maze of over 300 million Universes

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Well then, I say Tiamat erases and tanks Arceus's stuff via resistance to conceptual manipulation.

How Many Universes Can Lilith Affect With Conceptual Manipulation? Because if it's much smaller than 300 million I do not see it severely affecting Arceus at all

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Tiamat has type 5 acausality so arceus needs some type 2 concept hax or higher dimensionsal hax to even affect her.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

So Multiversal BFR is useless?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Don't think that gonna work on someone who transcends cause and effect.

As for her abstract status she is a type 1 who embodies a type 3 concept as she is the very concept of an "omnipotent" god that can grant any wish, regardless of how unjust, unfair, or nonsensical it seems.

Also her being like the multiverse itself, and defying her, means defying the multiverse itself.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It does not take Arceus to kill Lilith, it just needs to use Multiversal BFR and so Lilith gets lost in a maze of over 300 million Universes

Doesn't send her outside the multiverse so she can come back.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

How Many Universes Can Lilith Affect With Conceptual Manipulation? Because if it's much smaller than 300 million I do not see it severely affecting Arceus at all

She can erase Arceus, it would just take her some time since the multiverse Arceus embodies is larger.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Been meaning to ask this, what does succ even mean?

Also tiamat is above countless multiverse level, the scaling goes: Tiamat with lilith>tiamat with original lilith>tiamat=god>metatron=countless multiverse level.

Arceus is still way stronger though but doesn't matter when he can't even affect her.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Succubi. You start to get what happens inside Zach's mind after a while.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

So yeah, Arceus tries to attack -> does nothing.

Tiamat begins erasing and it will eventually cover for Arceus's size.

 

[Schnee_One]

Tiamat-bae

https://gfycat.com/younginfantilejaguarundi

 

[Elizhaa]

Don't think that gonna work on someone who transcends cause and effect.
As for her abstract status she is a type 1 who embodies a type 3 concept as she is the very concept of an "omnipotent" god that can grant any wish, regardless of how unjust, unfair, or nonsensical it seems.

Also her being like the multiverse itself, and defying her, means defying the multiverse itself.

I will updated her Conceptual Manipulation Type to limit confusion

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

God (Tokyo Babel) too.

 

[Elizhaa]

God (Tokyo Babel) too.

Done

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Bump

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Why's it being argued that Arceus can't defy the multiverse?

Type 5 acausality is wanked af. Anyone who's immeasurable or acausal bypasses it.

 

[Elizhaa]

Tiamat has type 5 acausality so arceus needs some type 2 concept hax or higher dimensionsal hax to even affect her.

I agree.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Why's it being argued that Arceus can't defy the multiverse?
Type 5 acausality is wanked af. Anyone who's immeasurable or acausal bypasses it.

Even without that type 5 acausality, Tiamat also has type 1 abstract existence and resists conceptual manipulation.

 

[DMB_1]

Type 5 acausality is wanked af. Anyone who's immeasurable or acausal bypasses it.

Not necessarely.

And you need a pretty potent acusality to rival it.

Honestly, someone should just make a CTR about type 5 acausality, what can bypass it and what not.

Which is ironic that I'm stating this since I was the one to propose for thsi type of acausality to be a thing in the first place.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Arceus was supposed to keep type 1 abstract existence in the original thread.

 

[Elizhaa]

It is basically Type 4 acausality but on steroid

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It is basically Type 4 acausality but on steroid

Not really

Type 4 can mean a lot of things

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

There shouldn't be a type 4 acausality. There should only be two types: time paradox immunity and acausality.

 

[DMB_1]

In the original thread, the whole CT was supposed to be type 1, but it got rejected afterwise.

And if she is a type 2 concept, Arceus being a type 1 abstract doesn't matter much.

 

[FateAlbane]

As I read the title, I started imagining how somewhere in this world, a twisted mind saw this thread and took a pen and a piece of paper to give birth to some kind of abominatio creation I dare not speak of.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Type 5 acuausality does indeed need further explanations, the acausality page right now just says affecting them normally is almost impossible or something like that, but it needs to explain how they can be affected.

Regardless of that though arceus can only create concepts not destroy them, so he still can't kill tiamat even without the acausality stuff, tiamat is a multiversal concept.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Btw, how's she gonna keep her concept of an omnipotent god when a god that's stronger than her is right in front of her? It defies the notion of her existence in that case. She can't be all powerful when there's someone more powerful

 

[RotofBots]

There shouldn't be a type 4 acausality. There should only be two types: time paradox immunity and acausality.

You should make a thread about it since this is pretty major. Granted, I somewhat agree with this.

 

[DMB_1]

As I read the title, I started imagining how somewhere in this world, a twisted mind saw this thread and took a pen and a piece of paper to give birth to some kind of abominatio creation I dare not speak of.

It unironically sounds like something that could happen in some mythology.

 

[DMB_1]

Another thing:

Being yourself a type 5 acausal doesn't necessarily mean you can interact with other type 5s, but whatever.

 

[TriforcePower1]

As I read the title, I started imagining how somewhere in this world, a twisted mind saw this thread and took a pen and a piece of paper to give birth to some kind of abominatio creation I dare not speak of.

Welcome to Zach's mind.

"Through me the way is to the city dolent;

Through me the way is to eternal dole;

Through me the way among the people lost.

All hope abandon, ye who enter in!"

-Inscription in front of Zach's mind

 

[The_Causality]

Theoricaly, Type 5 acausality is broken, you are immune to any attack which use cause and effect (basically everything), all the four acausal stuff still use cause and effect, Type 1/2/3/4 acausality mean nothing.

 

[FateAlbane]

Doesn't good enough Concept or Law Manip actually work on Type 5?

Or is it only Smurfness Shenanigans to bypass it at that point?

 

[DMB_1]

Doesn't good enough Concept or Law Manip actually work on Type 5?

People have different opinions on this.

But Kaltias believes that Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation can since, you know, trascendence over reality and stuff.