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Link powers revisions

QuasiYuri

QuasiYuri

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Power who should be added/change:

Attack Reflection: The Master Sword do this in a lots of games

Animal manipulation: Bee Badge protect Link from Bees and make him friends with them.

Resistance to Illusion Creation should be change to resistance to Perception Manipulation, because we have seen that the Lens of Truth also reveal thing who are invisible (like in MM).

Shapeshifting: Octo/Moblin/Like Like/Subrosian/First Gen ring do this.

Resistance to explosion manipulation (?): Bombproof ring, which immune Link to his bombs explosion.

Resistance to earth (roc) manipulation: Red Holy Ring immune damage from rocks.


Power Null on.. Power Null, Curse and Possession: The Song of Storm do this on curses in MM, who are power null. Song of Healing negate the Gibdo's curse of Pamela's Father. Mystery Seed negate the possession of Veran.

BFR: Gale and Mystery seeds can blowing ennemies away.

I don't know what type of power this is:

Peace Ring prevents bomb from exploding when Link holds them.

Roc's ring prevents Link from breaking cracked floors apart and falling through them when stepped on.

Snowchoes ring prevents Link from sliding on frozen floor.

They are also powers who should be removed:

Resistance to BFR is said via the Magic Mirror on the wiki. But the Magic Mirror is just a teleportation who can work on another dimension, i don't think this is a "resistance".

Resistance to Existence Erasure: The lasers are guardians has no proof of being EE like the Arrow. We even seen the beam make fire at contact to plant and can be reflect by shield. I think Link shouldn't have this.

Morality Manipulation: Even if Malice has a sort of mind control, when it said to be a morality manipulation? It only make Ganon with a desire to rampage and destroy.

Mind Control on undead: The mask never did that. In the most of case, Gibdo and Redead just think that Link is a undead too. The Redead who dance are precised to be a ancient troupe of performers.

Resistance to Sand Manipulation: It's already the resistance vector manipulation.

Resistance to curse Manipulation: Ganon never try to curse him for what i know. And Link has been under the magic of Ganon a lot of times (like in A Link to the Past), or under the curse of Demise.


Sorry for the bad presentation
 
I'm pretty sure making something invisible counts as an illusion. That's one of the main thing a lot of illusory characters do when making an illusion.
 
DodoNova2 said:
>Resistance to Existence Erasure
without proof or statement, it's Not
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They are no proof of Guardians' beam being EE, they doesn't even act in the same way as Ancient Arrow, like I said before.
 
I only believe Link's resistance to mind manipulation and his petrification should be removed.

Firstly, Agahnim never tried mindrapng Link, even his uncle wasn't affected, I don't recall agahnim ever using mindhax on Link.

Petrification is an outlier, and it's not an abiliy of the MS anyway, it was part of the king's wish when he said Ganon would drown with hyrule.

That's what I am convinced.
 
I agree for mind manip' removed, but i'm not really sure for Petrification.


Also, bump.
 
YuriAkuto said:
I agree for mind manip' removed, but i'm not really sure for Petrification.


Also, bump.
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Petrification was only used once, and even that required Ganon to be killed, not to mention the king of Hyrule wanted Ganon to drown with Hyrule, so turning into stone seems very convenient for such a wish.
 
So is it more Triforce doing that? I think that makes sense. The wish is not also a kind of Manipulation of Destiny? Because the wish of the king "destines" Ganondorf to lose.

Also, what is your opinion on the powers of the thread?
 
Peace ring would be minor power nullifications, as he prevents the bombs from exploding I believe.

Most things you counted look fine to me, could you please explain what the mystery seeds do though?
 
Mystery seeds are seeds who have a random effect of a another seed (like burning, freezing, or BFR ennemies). They also negate Veran's possession on someone and transmute certain ennemies.
 
Badboybilly1000 said:
Wouldn't the triforce wish be kinda instant instead of waiting for like until link beat ganon seema iffy to me.
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Not really, it doesn't matter how long the wish takes as long as it's fulfilled. The King literally wanted Ganon to drown with Hyrule and Link & Zelda to have a future. How else do you explain Ganon getting petrified only once in the entirety of the franchise? how do you explain Link suddenly becoming strong enough to match him when he got stomped moments earlier? How do you explain Ganon knocking out Zelda instead of killing her? That was even stranger as she was useless to him at that point.

All these facts show the triforce doing it's job, I mean hyrule did get flooded only after Ganon was stoned.
 
Magic Mirror is still a form of resistance to dimensional BFR.

Existence Erasure: He can also resist his own ancient arrows (Link normally doesn't resist his own arrows effects)

Morality manipulation: tell that to Naydra

Mind control of undead: I think it's most likely because just putting a mask on your face shouldn't be enough for undead to think you're one of them.

Resistance to curses: Twilight curse. Link never got cursed by Ganon in a Link to the past, that was transmutation (and he resists that with moon pearl) and Demise's curse is never stated to be the reason for the several incarnation of Link and Zelda, just that his hatred will follow them (it's the reason for Ganondorf being born)

Petrification: what you're saying is pure headcanon. The reason Link got stomped but then managed to defeat Ganon was because he lost the ToP (Link, too, lost the ToC). King's "wish" was most likely him referring to Ganon, not to the Triforce. And Zelda surviving is probably PIS. The reason Hyrule got flooded after Ganon was defeated was for the survival of Link and Zelda while they were fighting.

Resistance to Illusion should remain.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
Petrification: what you're saying is pure headcanon. The reason Link got stomped but then managed to defeat Ganon was because he lost the ToP (Link, too, lost the ToC). King's "wish" was most likely him referring to Ganon, not to the Triforce. And Zelda surviving is probably PIS. The reason Hyrule got flooded after Ganon was defeated was for the survival of Link and Zelda while they were fighting.
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No, Petrification is a pure outlier and something the MS has never been able to do at will. Even Ganon had to die for it to happen. The whole Drown with Hyrule thing was tied to the king's wish, it makes far more sense than to just give MS petrification that obviously didn't come out as result of it's power.

Zelda "surviving" sounds very ridiculous when he clearly had no intention of killing her, even when she literally had no more use. He even sheathed his sword and knocked her down, this is the result of the Triforce making the "give children hope" part true, as it makes no sense for him to not kill her.

Also yeah, take another look buddy because the ToP is still there.

Toc
 
TriforcePower1 said:
Magic Mirror is still a form of resistance to dimensional BFR.
Existence Erasure: He can also resist his own ancient arrows (Link normally doesn't resist his own arrows effects)

Morality manipulation: tell that to Naydra

Mind control of undead: I think it's most likely because just putting a mask on your face shouldn't be enough for undead to think you're one of them.

Resistance to curses: Twilight curse. Link never got cursed by Ganon in a Link to the past, that was transmutation (and he resists that with moon pearl) and Demise's curse is never stated to be the reason for the several incarnation of Link and Zelda, just that his hatred will follow them (it's the reason for Ganondorf being born)

Petrification: what you're saying is pure headcanon. The reason Link got stomped but then managed to defeat Ganon was because he lost the ToP (Link, too, lost the ToC). King's "wish" was most likely him referring to Ganon, not to the Triforce. And Zelda surviving is probably PIS. The reason Hyrule got flooded after Ganon was defeated was for the survival of Link and Zelda while they were fighting.

Resistance to Illusion should remain.
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Teleportation for counter BFR isn't a resistance. It's like said "use water give a resistance to fire"

Proof of this? The actual resistance of Link is via Guardian's beam.

I've forgot him, sorry.

It's really mind control? I think it's more minor perception manipulation or something like that.

It's already his resistance to soul manipulation.


And yeah, Petrification and Resistance to illusion should remain.
 
You can call it interdimensional teleport, but it doesn't change the fact that it can be used to counter Dimensional BFR.

https://youtu.be/H6Gym2BEBQI

Unless I'm forgetting something, you're right on mind manip

It's also a curse that Link can resist.

Aghanim mind manip: His uncle wasn't affected as he wasn't in the castle, and then mysteriously died. Should be noted that he pretty much mindhaxed anyone in the castle, so Link entering and not getting mindhaxed is strange. And finally, when Aghanim was beaten by Link, instead of mindhaxing him like he did with any other soldier, he tries to BFR him. And the entire fight wouldn't have happened if he could mindhax Link

Petrification: the symbol of the Triforce remains even if the owner doesn't have it anymore (https://youtu.be/Ozy7QccXJKo 3:37), we see the Triforce flying away after the king made his wish. Also, when the king told Ganondorf to die, he didn't have his hand on the Triforce. And Link petrified him. Stop. Triforce or not Triforce, he did it.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
Aghanim mind manip: His uncle wasn't affected as he wasn't in the castle, and then mysteriously died. Should be noted that he pretty much mindhaxed anyone in the castle, so Link entering and not getting mindhaxed is strange. And finally, when Aghanim was beaten by Link, instead of mindhaxing him like he did with any other soldier, he tries to BFR him. And the entire fight wouldn't have happened if he could mindhax Link

Petrification: the symbol of the Triforce remains even if the owner doesn't have it anymore (https://youtu.be/Ozy7QccXJKo 3:37), we see the Triforce flying away after the king made his wish. Also, when the king told Ganondorf to die, he didn't have his hand on the Triforce. And Link petrified him. Stop. Triforce or not Triforce, he did it.
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You are letting out very important information, Link's uncle never knew about the hidden entrance so he had to go into the castle because he was found in the sewers of it. Agahnim never tried mindhaxing Link, so he has no resistance to it.

The Triforce doesn't require you to touch it to make a wish only to own it, or are you completely going to ignore Skyward sword now? (https://youtu.be/nKDMSBznSWg?t=66). Regardless, Petrification is a massive outlier with no similar feats and happened as result of the wish, which was for him to drown and is the reason he turned to stone in the first place.

Triforce does disappear lmfao, it disappeared from Ganondorf in Twilight Princess when he was bout to die.
 
Counter a power isn't a resistance. I never said that doesn't counter BFR.

The arrow doesn't hit Link in the video.

For Aghanim, it's more CIS.
 
"You are letting out very important information, Link's uncle never knew about the hidden entrance so he had to go into the castle because he was found in the sewers of it." This actually goes against you. If Link's uncle didn't know about the secret entrance, how and WHY did he end up there? Again, you realize it doesn't make any sense for Aghanim to go with BFR in his fight and to not mindhax him in both fights?

Forgot about SS as it's the only game in which someone wished without actually touching it. The Triforce was already glowing when the King said it. And stop saying it's an outlier, Link did it, and outliers are given ro feats, not abilities. And we're taking about WW now, the symbol remaining could just be artistic choice or something like that

@Yuri

You're right about that.

The blast hits him.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
"You are letting out very important information, Link's uncle never knew about the hidden entrance so he had to go into the castle because he was found in the sewers of it." This actually goes against you. If Link's uncle didn't know about the secret entrance, how and WHY did he end up there? Again, you realize it doesn't make any sense for Aghanim to go with BFR in his fight and to not mindhax him in both fights?

Forgot about SS as it's the only game in which someone wished without actually touching it. The Triforce was already glowing when the King said it. And stop saying it's an outlier, Link did it, and outliers are given ro feats, not abilities. And we're taking about WW now, the symbol remaining could just be artistic choice or something like that
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He just didn't mindhax him, it's that simple, unless you have scans because like this you won't prove anything. Link's uncle just happened to end up there, because he was wounded, because he was sitting next to the wall before he was about to die.

So what if it was glowing? the triforce comes into possession of the one that has balance and touches it, it got sent away only after he said that. And again, it's a very iffy feat, because it only happened around the time the wish was in progress, it is an Outlier no matter how you look at it, he only got petrified when he was killed, which reminds me, it was also the only time the jewel on his forehead was destroyed so it also could have been that. Even that was not a wish it still changes nothing. Because the king wish for the future of the kids when He was TOUCHING it. If you want to be that picky fine. Link was never able to beat Ganon with his won strength, the whole final battle was all the doing of the Triforce. The petrification couldn't have been the result of anything else but the wish which goes along the line of drowning as a stone perfectly, and makes a lot more sense than petrifying someone that has already been killed.
 
Okay, let's imagine that all you said was right. The king made the wish, Ganon was destined to lose and remain forever under the sea, Link and Zelda were destined to survive and win, etc. Then why was Ganon petrified? He could just die, Link and Zelda would have survived and happy ending (kinda). And even if that was caused by the Triforce, then it's still an ability Link has.
 
There several ways ganon could have died and stay under the sea we have seen the master sword seal and do other stuff but seems that petrifcation is odd. Each link has their own power and abilt6 same reaskn why oot link didn't do it to ganon when he stab him in the head.
 
That's because he was meant to drown with Hyrule. that's it. I mean the guy above said it, he didn't get petrified in OoT and got sattbed in the head, he did not get petrified when he ahd the MS driven through his chest. This is exactly why it's so iffy.
 
Unholy Bindings said:
That's because he was meant to drown with Hyrule. that's it. I mean the guy above said it, he didn't get petrified in OoT and got sattbed in the head, he did not get petrified when he ahd the MS driven through his chest. This is exactly why it's so iffy.
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Both swords where welied by someone different same reason why the ms doest send beams oot or tp
 
Badboybilly1000 said:
Both swords where welied by someone different same reason why the ms doest send beams oot or tp
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The beams are a part of many Zelda games from Skyward sword to Minish cap, A Link to the past, a link between worlds, Zelda 1...

Petrification was used once and even that was a result of the wish
 
At most, the Triforce gave Link the ability to petrifie. It's an ability he used and it's clearly that it wasn't directly done by the TF.
 
Um, I'm pretty sure Midna took the Twilight mirror away from link before he stared into the mirror long enough.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
At most, the Triforce gave Link the ability to petrifie. It's an ability he used and it's clearly that it wasn't directly done by the TF.
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I'll have to disagree again, it was part of the wish from the Triforce, it wasn't direct, just like flooding Hyrule didn't happen immediately.

The point is, it was somehow the will of the TF and it isn't an ability that would be valid if it wasn0t for it.
 
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