Link: Acausality or Time Paradox Immunity

[PaChi2]

Cal, unless you can provide another feat, being unaffected from having an ancestor killed is only TPI.

I guess.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I mean the separation is honestly pointless imho.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I mean the separation is honestly pointless imho.

This. If anything Acausality should fall under TPI.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Acausality shouldn't exist.

TPI is all we need, listing acausality just causes wank against things they've never shown.

It doesn't even have a consistent meaning, here or in fiction.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

@Monarch

How tho?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Let's not start this again, Monarch. Acausality is a thing and TPI is utterly redudant.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Acausality is a dumb complicated thing defined by fancy prose, and TPI is much simpler, understandable and clear in its meaning.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Acausality is really simple.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Here we go again. Didn't we have a discussion where this was reversed or something?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No, Acausality is a perfectly understandable concept that literally no one else has a problem with. It only becomes problematic when you overthink it, much like most things in fiction. TPI is a term pulled out of nowhere and which was invented literally to downplay characters with Acausality, honestly.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Here we go again. Didn't we have a discussion where this was reversed or something?

It was, most people even agreed that TPI shouldn't exist.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Acausality is not that hard to comprehend. Let's try not to think our users are idiots now. I am pretty sure a normal user can understand that basic Acausality is "character doesn't die when he's killed in the past"

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Cause and Effect are an effect of the linear flow of time. Exist outside and beyond linearity of time and you are fully acausal.

Resist things like being erased in the past, having your timeline rewritten and whatnot and you have Acausal properties.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

"Beyond the flow of time"

"Beyond causality"

"Have no end or beginning"

These were what it used to be defined as, and it was dumb.

TPI was what it should have been from the start.

Then TPI was added.

Now that acausality's definition has been changed again, it's literally just TPI + Resistance to Causality Manipulation, and there's no reason we should have a power that's just a combo of two others. It's dumb.

Get rid of TPI if you must, but I've seen people seriously wanking acausality when it's just the basic "not die in the present if you're killed in the past", so add types or something.

 

[Promestein]

Please don't derail the thread with this rant on what Acausality really is

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Ok, back to Link

Until we remove one or the other, surviving an ancestor dying would just be TPI

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

TPI is literally an application of Acausality that was changed into another power because people didn't like that certain characters had a way too strong ability.

We had this discussion 4 months ago but the revision was never concluded and got crowded with other things.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Please don't derail the thread with this rant on what Acausality really is

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Then get rid of TPI and give acausality types based on what you just said about "fully acausal" vs "acausal properties". Just define it in some way that doesn't let people wank not dying in the past to being completely immune to having your existence turned into the cause of your non-existence, or ignore your fate being rewritten. Because fiction rarely treats such things as the same.

Back to Link

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeah, until then, no more acausality for Link

 

[PaChi2]

I asked if TPI was still a thing before creating this thread because I remember that there was some controversy over it.

If the agreement is that TPI is not a valid term, well, close this thread.