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I think this match needs to be reevaluated in light of Goku's recently acquired Mastered Ultra Instinct form.

Both Low 2-C forms

(Savior Lightning vs Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku)

Speed Equalized
 
Ugh...

Tie. Goku's fast enough to **** over Farron and her "Lightening", while Farron could just overwhelm Goku with her blasts.


Though, since the speed's equalized, i'm going to still tie it, due to Goku's swift moves being a BITCH to handle. Not to mention the Shockwave Punches.
 
Lightning time stops, said Time Stop is ridiculously above Jiren, and calls it a day.
 
@Antorus

You know Hit's Time Skip lasts 0.5 seconds? Lightning's lasts for a half hour on a universal scale.

She also has instant death hax.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Antorus
You know Hit's Time Skip lasts 0.5 seconds? Lightning's lasts for a half hour on a universal scale.

She also has instant death hax.
I know that. I never said Hit's time skip was that Powerful. I only asked just how great Farron's Time Stop is, since I barely know much of her.

Also, isn't Hit's Time Skip used on a Universal Scale as well, since it can also affect the World of Void? And since the Angels confirmed that Jiren's >>> Than Time Itself, doesn't that mean he can surpass things 10x greater than Hit's time skip, and beyond? I mean, sure, we don't know the full extent of Jiren's Power, nor have we seen an actual ******* Time Stop on a Universal Scale, but...you can trust the Angels and their word, yes? I mean, those words did come from Vados, and she's...uhhh...yeah, I trust in word in most things.

I'm not downplaying Farron here, but...if Jiren's >>> Than Time, and if U.I Goku's >= Jiren at 100%, then doesn't that mean Goku's also >>> Than Time (Meaning, he surpasses Time Stops/Skips, or whatever)?

Also, doesn't Hit have a Death Hax, also? I mean, he can use his Fist to instantly kill People. Or is Farron's Death Hax more instant?

At this point, i'm just wondering the extent of Farron's Power. If Farron's truly that strong, then she wins. But, judging from the fact that a Casual (Likely 5%) Jiren easily RAPED Hit like nothing, it's hard to see Farron (Even with her Stronger/Longer Time Stops) ever dealing Damage to a full on Jiren. But, that's just me. I'm 100% likely reaching.
 
A bunch of stuff here.

Hit's time skip not affecting Jiren means Jiren is Beyond hits Time Skip, not that he's stronger, Time Stop doesn't refer to AP in the slightest

Second, Punching a person's heart isn't death Hax, Telling someone to "die" and having their heart and mind shut down is another, IIRC Lightning can kill souls as well but I might be wrong.

Also, Jiren is Low 2C, Lightning is as well, Hit is 3A, thus infinitely weaker then Lightning, Jiren stomping Hit does not translate.
 
Hmmm, I see. I mean, you can also counter this, if you could:


1. Jiren's CONFIRMED to be beyond Time itself. Not just Hit's Time Skip. If that were the case, then it'd be confirmed like that. But no, they said he was beyond TIME ITSELF! So, I believe it.

2. Beerus could erase things by saying "Destroy", while raising his Fingertips. He can also delete Souls as well (Thanks to the Arale Episode, of course). However, he can't destroy people that are Stronger than him. Farron's likely got that problem aswell.

Oh, and judging by the news, it's "stated" by Beerus that U.I Goku's Stronger than him. However, this is unconfirmed, and in the "maybe" section in terms of accuracy. This is just new spoilers. So, things may change.
 
1. Obvious Hyperbole for one otherwise he would have infinite speed, 2. Eventually, once revisions are done, Lightning's gonna Time Stop people beyond time anyway.

2. Why would Farron have a problem that Beerus has? Two different characters from different verses.
 
Wait until episode 130 to air before making any matches to MUI. That being said, Lightning still wins as far as I can tell, with speed equalised. Otherwise, Goku blitzes.
 
Stryk3r1337 said:
Wait until episode 130 to air before making any matches to MUI. That being said, Lightning still wins as far as I can tell, with speed equalised. Otherwise, Goku blitzes.
TFW Lightning is set to become infinite in speed
 
If Goku can't resist Lightning's time stop that makes the battle a stomp.
 
TFW Lightning is set to become infinite in speed
Speed is equalized.

You specifically said Goku blitzes with Unequal speed
 
Punch her to death with his superior AP and Dura....?

Is every fight involving a time Stop a stomp now....?

That's a ridiculously loose definition of a stomp.
 
Superior AP? Lightning is far above baseline, and it doesn't matter since Goku can't do anything, and Lightning can one-shot him with Odin.
 
Far above baseline?

Who's the guy who told you this?

She overpowered someone who can easily destroy a universe, that is barely above Baseline.....
 
That doesn't sound like "barely above baseline", anyway Lightning time stops and one-hit kill Goku with Odin before he can even move, making this battle a stomp.
 
Or it could just be decisive since Goku can match her in AP and durability....
 
Easily destroying a universe is above Baseline. That simple.

Meanwhile, Jiren by merely powering up is enough to be on par with The Gods who are superior to Zamasu.

But hey, Hax makes everything a stomp these days, so what's the point in explaining.
 
It's only decisive if Goku can resist her time stop.
 
I don't know why someone doesn't remake Goku vs Ness since Goku can one-shot Ness casually.
 
Stryk3r1337 said:
Was Lightning's victory against UI Omen Goku unanimous?
By that time everyone assumed that Goku could resist her time stop, but now apparently Lightning can time stop beings with infinite speed.
 
No one assumed Goku can resist her time Stop actually, since Goku still gets caught in it anyway regardless.
 
Therefir said:
Stryk3r1337 said:
Was Lightning's victory against UI Omen Goku unanimous?
By that time everyone assumed that Goku could resist her time stop, but now apparently Lightning can time stop beings with infinite speed.
"Lightening can time stop beings with Infinite Speed"

Speed =/= Hax Power.
 
Gargoyle One said:
No one assumed Goku can resist her time Stop actually, since Goku still gets caught in it anyway regardless.
"Gargoyle One Lightning Stops him in place before slicing him in half."

"Geova2507 Goku has time stop resistance, I don't think this would work. but yeah could happen."

"Gargoyle One Oh yeah, resistance. Forget what I said, Goku wins."

Oof
 
Wrong

If you can time stop someone who is literally able to move without Time (Requirement for infinite speed), then your time Hax is superior.
 
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