Kratos vs Grandfather Spider

[Robo432343]

No, W101 is 5-D max.

which has an infinite number of infinite multiverses which is constantly expanding in size, due to each grain of the sands of time representing the past, present and future and are ever-flowing, which are reflected infinitely through the reflection caves
this part is 5D

However, even all of this is stated to be an echo of an even greater wheel of existence, which he exists beyond.
this is supposed to be 6D???

 

[KLOL506]

Most of W101's experts left the wiki IIRC, so there's no one else to take help from.

 

[Spilxson2]

Oh. Did not know that. I'll change it to Spider without his heart and greek Kratos

 

[Eseseso]

No, it's 5-D.

I have looked all over this wiki, everything points to 5-D God tiers,

Here is the scaling chain for Grandfather Spider's 2 keys.

• The Storm Titan can destroy the entire 5-D Spiral. Grandfather Spider with his heart is far above the Storm Titan and his 2 equally strong children.
• Grandfather Spider without his heart one-shot Mellori, who fought the Storm Titan alongside The Player.

If anything, a better W101 character to fight Kratos would be Grandmother Raven, considering that she has all of Spider's hax plus the following passives:

Reality Warping (Scaling from Bartleby and Grandfather Spider), Mind Manipulation, Madness Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Chaos Manipulation, Willpower Manipulation, Forcefield Creation, Paralysis Inducement, Petrification, Power Nullification (Nullifies all forms of magic and non-magic spells/techniques that are associated with the 7 Schools of Magic, Shadow Magic, Astral Magic, physical damage, and healing), Resistance Negation, Power Absorption (Absorbs PIPs (energy), charms (offensive buffs), shields (defensive buffs), and Healing), Probability Manipulation (Reduces opponents' Accuracy by 100% and his own Accuracy by 100%. Increases the chances of dealing a critical attack by 100% and blocking critical attacks by 100%), Statistics Amplification (Increases Healing, Resistance, Resistance Negation and Accuracy) Statistics Reduction (Decreases Healing, Resistance, Damage Output and Accuracy by 100% individually), Aura (Damage over time to enemies and Heal over time to herself and allies), Summoning (Summons creatures which intercept 100% of the damage dealt to Raven), Life Force Absorption, Empathic Manipulation (Calms targets, making them less aggressive towards her), Transmutation, Damage Transferal, Weather Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Life Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Illusion Creation, Dream Manipulation, Damage Boost, Damage Reduction

 

[Planck69]

How layered are those and can they bypass a Type 1 conceptual protection against general 5-dimensional powers?

 

[KLOL506]

There's like, two forms of Greek Kratos that are Low 1-C now. Which one is being used here? Hope Kratos I presume? That would prolly be a bloodbath.

 

[Spilxson2]

There's like, two forms of Greek Kratos that are Low 1-C now. Which one is being used here? Hope Kratos I presume? That would prolly be a bloodbath.

Demigod I guess

 

[KLOL506]

Ayo what, Demigod Kratos?

 

[Spilxson2]

Ayo what, Demigod Kratos?

I'm not too caught up with the revisions. Should I make it Kratos as the god of war instead?

 

[Eseseso]

There's like, two forms of Greek Kratos that are Low 1-C now. Which one is being used here? Hope Kratos I presume? That would prolly be a bloodbath.

God of War Kratos hopefully.

 

[Spilxson2]

Alright I'll make it god of war kratos

 

[KingTempest]

Yall put Kratos against Grandpa?

Spider bodies

 

[Spilxson2]

Yall put Kratos against Grandpa?

Spider bodies

How so? Apparently POH Kratos was too unfair

 

[Eseseso]

Yall put Kratos against Grandpa?

Spider bodies

Doubt.

 

[Planck69]

Yall put Kratos against Grandpa?

Spider bodies

Does he have some uber hax layers that we forgot?

 

[KingTempest]

Simple bfr gg

 

[Planck69]

Simple bfr gg

Huh. Oof. He opens with that?

 

[KingTempest]

Huh. Oof. He opens with that?

He doesn't really open up w/ it against ppl like the MC since the plot needs to go on and it's a turn based video game... but yeah against others he chose to just bfr em.

He can also mind manip Kratos (his is layered), and he can pretty much deactivate Kratos's resistance to magic.

And he can just absorb his power (layered as well)

 

[KLOL506]

He doesn't really open up w/ it against ppl like the MC since the plot needs to go on and it's a turn based video game... but yeah against others he chose to just bfr em.

He can also mind manip Kratos (his is layered), and he can pretty much deactivate Kratos's resistance to magic.

How many layers we talking? Kratos has like, 3-4 layers of Power Null resistance and Mind Manip Resistance.

And he can just absorb his power (layered as well)

Kratos' absorption is layered as well, he just needs contact and then it's a done deal.

 

[Planck69]

Kratos' bane, being sent away to be another person's problem.

 

[KingTempest]

How many layers we talking? Kratos has like, 3-4 layers of Power Null resistance and Mind Manip Resistance.

Now that I'm not sure about

Kratos' absorption is layered as well, he just needs contact and then it's a done deal.

(Peak Heartless Grandfather Spider's Absorption & Resistance ~ The Divine Paradox's Absorption & Resistance) > The Storm Titan's Resistance > (Shadow Magic's Absorption ~ Full Absorption Capabilities of Morganthe) > Weakened Grandfather Spider's Absorption Resistance > (Morganthe's Regular Absorption) > Act 2 Player's Resistance > (Malistare's Death Magic) > Average Death Mage's Resistance > (Average Death Magic) > Act 1 Player's Resistance > (Weak Death Magic Creature's Magic)

5 layers of absorption & resistance for life & power absorption

 

[KLOL506]

There's only one Kratos with 5 layers of hax resistance. That'd be Hope Kratos.

 

[Eseseso]

There's only one Kratos with 5 layers of hax resistance. That'd be Hope Kratos.

NO.

No Hope Kratos, Spider would get obliterated.

 

[KingTempest]

Then yall would be forced to give Spider his damn heart and put him up another dimension

 

[Spilxson2]

This is probably a stupid question, but would destroying Spider's heart make him 5-D again?

 

[Eseseso]

Then yall would be forced to give Spider his damn heart and put him up another dimension

Wait, I thought Wizard101 peaked at 5-D (asides from probably the GOAT Creator).

 

[KingTempest]

Nvm only 5d was accepted

 

[Eseseso]

Nvm only 5d was accepted

Tbh a 6D CRT should be made.

 

[KingTempest]

Tbh a 6D CRT should be made.

not rly

 

[Eseseso]

not rly

I dunno:

which has an infinite number of infinite multiverses which is constantly expanding in size, due to each grain of the sands of time representing the past, present and future and are ever-flowing, which are reflected infinitely through the reflection caves
this part is 5D

However, even all of this is stated to be an echo of an even greater wheel of existence, which he exists beyond.
this is supposed to be 6D???

 

[KingTempest]

He's wrong

The initial portion is 2-A, or infinitely 4D

The echo of an even greater wheel is the Low 1-C part that's 5-A

The name of the blog he linked was "Wizard101 level of 2-A". That ain't 5D

 

[Eseseso]

He's wrong

The initial portion is 2-A, or infinitely 4D

The echo of an even greater wheel is the Low 1-C part that's 5-D

Ok, but if he is beyond the 5-D Greater Wheel, would he be 6-D?

 

[Robo432343]

can't kratos get out of the BFR with the portals

 

[KLOL506]

can't kratos get out of the BFR with the portals

He definitely could, or he could BFR Spider himself and make the latter fight against a bunch of his own clones, or depower him then and there.

 

[Robo432343]

He definitely could, or he could BFR Spider himself and make the latter fight against a bunch of his own clones, or depower him then and there.

Huh. Oof. He opens with that?

were you worried because kratos hasn't been shown to escape nothingness?

 

[KLOL506]

were you worried because kratos hasn't been shown to escape nothingness?

Prolly wouldn't be a problem for Hope Kratos, since the Great Evils are even stronger than Chaos (The OG Primordial Goddess Void of nothingness), Athena exists above pantheons altogether and Hope can pretty much dish her out of existence.

 

[KingTempest]

So now it's hope Kratos???

 

[KLOL506]

So now it's hope Kratos???

Hope Kratos would be murder. 5 layers of hax and 3 layers of CM1 coupled with 3 layers of uninteractibility and abstractness. Spider would never be able to touch him let alone interact with the man.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

not rly

Ye kinda should be cuz transcending a 5-D structure can be ez 6-D depending on how transcendent we're talking about

Also I gotta ask tf is going on here cuz it seems like no one has come to a definite conclusion on which versions of the characters this thread is using??

 

[Robo432343]

op is using god of war kratos