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Kratos vs CC Goku
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Oh boy
RoninSlayer200
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1-C vs Low 1-C. I wonder if this matchup is fair 
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Kratos has like 10 layers of cm1 and info2 so I think they can effect each other.1-C vs Low 1-C. I wonder if this matchup is fair
Killerdrone123
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This key of Goku has no passives does poh kartos have passives? I forgor
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I don't believe so.
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Goku FRA
Wesker018
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Cant Goku easily dodge Kratos attacks while in UI?
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No passives.
He has several abilities that affect the target directly.
Anyways, Kratos has several immediate win conditions, like power nulification and psychic attack via his powers as the God of War, soul rip via Athena's/Hades's powers, etc. His time abilities are actually trounced this time though, funnily enough, so he'd have to stick to his godly powers rather than the Power of the Fates.
What does CC Goku start with?
Killerdrone123
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I see
Well CC Goku in this key would just just usually go with ki attack/punch and kick i don't think if kratos would be able to powernull CC Goku's attack here cause it's 6d but I guess that doesn't matter cause of haxs well he can dodge kratos attacks with ui but he doesn't really have a way to put him down at the start the only way he can do it is either via summoning aeos/keysword or arale but that would be his second move at best
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We reworked smurf abilities a while ago. Just having higher-dimensional powers no longer let's you automatically resist others. The only exceptions are space-time based abilities to my knowledge.
Pepsimanslover
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Punch and kick would instantly kill Goku has Hope covers Kratos physically, and a single touch will Death hax him with Resistance Negation on top as well. Kratos could also die tho from AP, however he has immo 4 and 8 so should be fine mostly.
Ki attack tho should work as Goku doesn't need to touch Kratos there.
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Goku CC wins easily.
The reason is Goku’s superiority in speed; his speed is immeasurable, and there’s also the difference in level since he is infinitely 1C, which makes his strike decisive…
Anyway, the battle would end before we even realize it (immeasurable speed and an infinitely 1C-level strike).
A very quick fight in favor of Goku CC.
The reason is Goku’s superiority in speed; his speed is immeasurable, and there’s also the difference in level since he is infinitely 1C, which makes his strike decisive…
Anyway, the battle would end before we even realize it (immeasurable speed and an infinitely 1C-level strike).
A very quick fight in favor of Goku CC.
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Killerdrone123
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Speed is equalized.
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Goku’s speed is immeasurable, which gives him a decisive advantage right from the start with a strike capable of destroying an infinite number of six-dimensional structures. However, the thread owner said speed is equal, and I think this condition downplays Goku’s power and makes the comparison illogical. With this restriction, Goku’s strength is reduced, so it isn’t in his favor, while it benefits Kratos.
Anyway, Goku wins logically due to his speed and his strike when considering their full statistics.
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He's well within his rights to equalize speed so this really doesn't matter.
Sure, but here he doesn't have the speed advantage.
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I mean Goku can still have the speed advantage via his forms which boosts his stats multiple times, hundreds, thousands and millions of times over.. Ultra Instinct is like >640,000,000x base; >80x SSJB even using the statistical anime ratings. (which DBH upscale off of, tho I remember that UI is a fusion level increase in DBH, so it's likely even higher.)
As for resistance negation, he resist that in this key, and for death hax? Yeah, he does as well.
This seems like an incon to me tho.
Yeah Goku can sense intent and the power of his enemies, he will utilize his distance to ki blasts him out, and utilize his speed advantage overall, he have stat and stamina reducing passives as well if that helps.
As for resistance negation, he resist that in this key, and for death hax? Yeah, he does as well.
I don't think it can nullify 6D AP statistical power in a form of ki or otherwise.
This seems like an incon to me tho.
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Killerdrone123
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He is already in ui
Pepsimanslover
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Kratos has similarly info analysis and ESP as well.
Stamina wouldn't work unless it reduces people who have infinite stamina. And he's already above Kratos stat wise so it's not really an advantage.
Can you point to where exactly? I haven't found it with Ctrl + F in his page or the stuff he's linked to.
Is it layered? Kratos's is layered.
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If you aren’t going to contribute to this discussion in a sensible manner don’t say anything because comments like these are unneeded.
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Dimensional domain and statistic/stamina reducing passives in DBH can inherently do that. We’ve seen Androids who have been stated to have infinite energy supply being equally affected. IIRC dimensional domain is also SEI (status effect inducement) so once targeted foe is hit with it, it’s a reoccurring effect that happens indefinitely. A bit like being burnt or poisoned in Pokemon.
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oh damn, I am truly a DB Fan, I can't read.He is already in ui
Passive DD works on guys with infinite stamina like the Androids. Which effectively reduce the stamina value to 1 (in other words, they are stun locked)
He resist time power which has this
Time Power (Dragon Ball)
Time Power (時ときの力ちから, Toki no Chikara?, lit. "Power of Time"), sometimes called Time God's Power[1] is a special power mainly used by the Time Gods in Dragon Ball Heroes multiverse. Like its name suggests, it’s a special power that allow its users to control Time, which in turn rules over all of...
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Resistance Negation (Time Power's energy which contains its effects is unblockable; and the power can bypass resistances/immunities[34])
I really don't have an energy to debate this rn.
Pepsimanslover
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Is the stamina draining instant?
Besides that, Kratos's main advantage is seemingly thought based attacks and CM info Powernull given his higher layers.
Besides that, Kratos's main advantage is seemingly thought based attacks and CM info Powernull given his higher layers.
Killerdrone123
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Yeah preety much instantly reduces your stamina to 1 so any next move kratos does he would just get his stamina drained/stunned and it's passive
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If this stamina drain is Status Effect Inducement then Kratos resists just fine.
Both of those are layered for Kratos.
Even before the smurf change, higher power wasn't an automatic counter to power nulification. It is even less so now.
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Faridw
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infinitely layered in 5d won't work in 6d bruh
Pepsimanslover
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Smurf doesn't exist anymore.
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He resists SEI. And what is a "stat hax"? For some reason this stamina reduction ability just links to the stamina page is labeled.... Stamina Manipulation?
Regardless, stamina is a function of one's magic in-universe and he resists absorption, nullification and curses that affect it just fine.
2 layers.
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Smurf abilities no longer have inherent superiority based on dimensionality. So even a 3-dimensional character with enough layers will affect a 1-C. Especially considering Goku is physically just human in size and cannot "outrange" it via sheer size.
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Just to be absolutely sure, I encountered this SEI justification and I don’t think it entirely links to DD at all in some aspects. So it inflicts three sorts of effects? Those effects being, blinded, dazed and stunned? If that’s the sole justification then I don’t see any correlation in regards to resistance to statistical values being set to 1. I think it’s fair to say Kratos would resist the paralysis inducement DD comes with but as for the other effects I’m skeptical. I’m assuming Kratos resists power nullification but then there’s also DD affecting thinking capabilities too IIRC.
Killerdrone123
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Dimensional Domain can reduce one's stamina to 1 so the next move opponents take would just make it zero leaving him stun
Well That's still not resisting stat haxs also he would be constantly getting his stamina drained
Goku has 8
Pepsimanslover
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Magic correlates to stamina, and Kratos resists his magic being drained and taken away as well as cursed (which is Resistance Neg). He also resists stats reduction just fine.
Also, stamina hax doesn't exist as a separate ability. Here it just seems to be stamina draining, which Kratos resists.
Also, stamina hax doesn't exist as a separate ability. Here it just seems to be stamina draining, which Kratos resists.
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He has 10 layers of power nullification resistance, and likewise for his soul/mind/concept which are one and the same. So his thinking abilities are fine.
As for the rest, he resists Statistics Reduction via resisting Seidr and 10 layers of paralysis inducement via general Soul Magic resistance.
You haven't really addressed what I said. "Stamina Manipulation" doesn't exist as a discrete ability. If it is just affecting stamina, then Kratos does resist that in universe. For some odd reason, you seem to be assuming that this power just has no equivalence outside its own setting and can therefore not be resisted at all.
As for the Resistance Negation layers, that is fair.
Pepsimanslover
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Yeah Kratos will die to that, however he has RE to Resistance Neg and can just come back with immo 4 and 8.
If Goku has Immo 4 and 8 neg then his Resistance Neg can be a wincon if he hits it.
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Ehh, from what I know even before the Smurf Changr, it's more so actually intuitive to assume that lower dimensional powers can't nullify higher D powers, which is the default assumption unless have given such feats.
Non Smurf abilities are more so tied to metaphysical aspects, mind haxes etc.
As far as I know, and Ki is not just that, when it's a statistical parameter manifested in the form of ki. (Even then, I remember DDT talks about it otherwise, so it's not clear cut that it might be so, asserting "there's no Smurf hax anymore" might be a bit misleading given the circumstances pertaining to haxes and abilities rn.
