Kobeni(CSM) Vs Miwa(JJK) - (8-1-0)

[koopa3144]

Gonna vote Kobeni FRA

 

[Giannysmag]

So like how does Kobeni even damage Miwa here? The gap between her AP and Miwa's dura is 60x and Miwa can kill Kobeni by just striking her head which isn't protected by her suit

 

[GunshyFever]

So like how does Kobeni even damage Miwa here? The gap between her AP and Miwa's dura is 60x and Miwa can kill Kobeni by just striking her head which isn't protected by her suit

Likely piercing damage via her knife

 

[Giannysmag]

Likely piercing damage via her knife

We know JJK characters can take piercing attacks from characters weaker than them with CE reinforcment, so the knife aint doing shit to cover the 60x gap

 

[GunshyFever]

We know JJK characters can take piercing attacks from characters weaker than them with CE reinforcment, so the knife aint doing shit to cover the 60x gap

In terms of AP where would Haruta scale?

 

[Giannysmag]

In terms of AP where would Haruta scale?

He'd scale to Shibuya Nobara, who is 8-B scaling from (I assume) Mechamaru's Ultimate Canon, which is 12.2 Tons. Nanami is 8-B+ scaling from the big crater Mahito made, which is 58.4 Tons. So that's like a 5x difference betwen them, compared to the 60x difference between Kobeni and Miwa

 

[GunshyFever]

He'd scale to Shibuya Nobara, who is 8-B scaling from (I assume) Mechamaru's Ultimate Canon, which is 12.2 Tons. Nanami is 8-B+ scaling from the big crater Mahito made, which is 58.4 Tons. So that's like a 5x difference betwen them, compared to the 60x difference between Kobeni and Miwa

This should not be a problem for Kobeni since she was able to pierce through Aki's Devil Hunter's suit, which provides resistance to piercing attacks from opponents who are far superior to them. Another example is Kobeni completely slicing off Katana Man's arm despite him wearing a Devil Hunter suit.

Scaling-wise, Devil Hunter suits can take attacks from 8.04 tons of TNT, and with piercing damage, Kobeni was still able to harm these characters with her knife. This means she can harm characters with a 1200x durability difference using her knife.

Going by this logic, she should not have any trouble harming Miwa. Or my logic is incredibly flawed, honestly seems like it

 

[Giannysmag]

This should not be a problem for Kobeni since she was able to pierce through Aki's Devil Hunter's suit, which provides resistance to piercing attacks from opponents who are far superior to them. Another example is Kobeni completely slicing off Katana Man's arm despite him wearing a Devil Hunter suit.

Scaling-wise, Devil Hunter suits can take attacks from 8.04 tons of TNT, and with piercing damage, Kobeni was still able to harm these characters with her knife. This means she can harm characters with a 1200x durability difference using her knife.

Going by this logic, she should not have any trouble harming Miwa. Or my logic is incredibly flawed, honestly seems like it

So either Kobeni has High 8-C AP and this match is a stomp in her favour, or devil hunter suits just aren't that durable

 

[GunshyFever]

So either Kobeni has High 8-C AP

It couldn't be AP; I believe that would create inconsistencies, such as Kobeni being comparable to Post-Training Chainsaw Man/Katana Man, which just isn't shown and can't be proven since all her feats are below that. My argument is that she could potentially harm characters on that level with piercing damage via her knife. But should she scale with her knife? Yes? Possibly. But that's an argument for an upgrade thread that I am not confident about. I don't believe we have any reason to think her knife has any special trait to upscale from. However, in order to pierce something that has resistance to piercing damage, it has to be strong. Using this logic, yes, this is a stomp match. But since it is (what I think is) a shaky argument, it should be halted. Ill see what other CSM supporters think about it

or devil hunter suits just aren't that durable

Honestly, I don't believe this is the case. Devil Hunter suits provide resistance to High 8-C piercing attacks and a High 8-C explosion despite notable damage. Repeated explosion attacks from Bomb Girl, with less magnitude than the one shown in the scan, were able to reduce Post-Training Chainsaw Man to just a head and a torso.

 

[Giannysmag]

It couldn't be AP; I believe that would create inconsistencies

Well the feat of her cutting Katana man's hand is actually listed in her AP
>Attack Potency: Small Building level[Note 1] (Should be physically comparable to her colleagues as a Public Safety Devil Hunter. Sliced off a human Samurai Swords arm[1])

 

[GunshyFever]

Well the feat of her cutting Katana man's hand is actually listed in her AP
>Attack Potency: Small Building level[Note 1] (Should be physically comparable to her colleagues as a Public Safety Devil Hunter. Sliced off a human Samurai Swords arm[1])

The reason it is listed this way is that we never took his suit into account. As you can see on Katana Man's updated profile, he possesses his Devil Hunter suit as optional equipment. By right, it should have been standard equipment since he wears it 24/7. Kobeni was able to slice off his arm despite his suit's resistance to piercing damage on a High 8-C level. Because of this, I'm thinking that she should scale to 9-A physically and downscale from High 8-C with her knife. But again, I'm not sure myself. It wouldn't be an outlier since it doesn't interrupt any scaling. Anyway, this is an issue that will likely be resolved within three weeks when I finish exams. Until then, I'm not sure what to make of this match.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Hmm kinda on Miwa's side here. Miwa has a stamina advantage aswell as a one shot AP advantage on a physical statistic. Miwa will easily figure out that she cant get through kobeni's suit and will then aim for her head/limbs as they're the only attackable areas on kobeni, one hitting kobeni and killing her right there and then. If kobeni manages to take miwas katana seeing the LS difference... then what? She'll simply wear kobeni out as she goes on her rampage, outlasting her in the process. This is ignoring if miwa could just resort to using her hands to punch kobeni's head off.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Likely piercing damage via her knife

We know JJK characters can take piercing attacks from characters weaker than them with CE reinforcment, so the knife aint doing shit to cover the 60x gap

Indeed. Unironically, the knife would break after touching miwas skin. Do you see a regular human being stabbing a wall with a knife coming out unharmed after getting the ultimate reversal? Or that same knife bending?

 

[GunshyFever]

Hmm kinda on Miwa's side here. Miwa has a stamina advantage aswell as a one shot AP advantage on a physical statistic. Miwa will easily figure out that she cant get through kobeni's suit and will then aim for her head/limbs as they're the only attackable areas on kobeni, one hitting kobeni and killing her right there and then.

This should not be a problem for Kobeni since she was able to pierce through Aki's Devil Hunter's suit, which provides resistance to piercing attacks from opponents who are far superior to them. Another example is Kobeni completely slicing off Katana Man's arm despite him wearing a Devil Hunter suit.

Scaling-wise, Devil Hunter suits can take attacks from 8.04 tons of TNT, and with piercing damage, Kobeni was still able to harm these characters with her knife. This means she can harm characters with a 1200x durability difference using her knife.

Going by this logic, she should not have any trouble harming Miwa. Or my logic is incredibly flawed, honestly seems like it

If kobeni manages to take miwas katana seeing the LS difference... then what? She'll simply wear kobeni out as she goes on her rampage, outlasting her in the process. This is ignoring if miwa could just resort to using her hands to punch kobeni's head off.

It couldn't be AP; I believe that would create inconsistencies, such as Kobeni being comparable to Post-Training Chainsaw Man/Katana Man, which just isn't shown and can't be proven since all her feats are below that. My argument is that she could potentially harm characters on that level with piercing damage via her knife. But should she scale with her knife? Yes? Possibly. But that's an argument for an upgrade thread that I am not confident about. I don't believe we have any reason to think her knife has any special trait to upscale from. However, in order to pierce something that has resistance to piercing damage, it has to be strong. Using this logic, yes, this is a stomp match. But since it is (what I think is) a shaky argument, it should be halted. Ill see what other CSM supporters think about it

Indeed. Unironically, the knife would break after touching miwas skin. Do you see a regular human being stabbing a wall with a knife coming out unharmed after getting the ultimate reversal? Or that same knife bending?

The reason it is listed this way is that we never took his suit into account. As you can see on Katana Man's updated profile, he possesses his Devil Hunter suit as optional equipment. By right, it should have been standard equipment since he wears it 24/7. Kobeni was able to slice off his arm despite his suit's resistance to piercing damage on a High 8-C level. Because of this, I'm thinking that she should scale to 9-A physically and downscale from High 8-C with her knife. But again, I'm not sure myself. It wouldn't be an outlier since it doesn't interrupt any scaling. Anyway, this is an issue that will likely be resolved within three weeks when I finish exams. Until then, I'm not sure what to make of this match.

 

[Naito-desu]

Kobeni fra

 

[MintyBoi1]

Kobeni FRA

 

[AThe1412]

Kobeni FRA. Her knife is definitely getting upgraded to High 8-C.

 

[Arkenis]

Kobeni fra

 

[MintyBoi1]

I think there’s enough votes to add this

 

[Hiiilt]

I think there’s enough votes to add this

don't we need to wait for kobeni's knife to be upgraded to high 8-C?

 

[MintyBoi1]

It couldn't be AP; I believe that would create inconsistencies, such as Kobeni being comparable to Post-Training Chainsaw Man/Katana Man, which just isn't shown and can't be proven since all her feats are below that. My argument is that she could potentially harm characters on that level with piercing damage via her knife. But should she scale with her knife? Yes? Possibly. But that's an argument for an upgrade thread that I am not confident about. I don't believe we have any reason to think her knife has any special trait to upscale from. However, in order to pierce something that has resistance to piercing damage, it has to be strong. Using this logic, yes, this is a stomp match. But since it is (what I think is) a shaky argument, it should be halted. Ill see what other CSM supporters think about it

Honestly, I don't believe this is the case. Devil Hunter suits provide resistance to High 8-C piercing attacks and a High 8-C explosion despite notable damage. Repeated explosion attacks from Bomb Girl, with less magnitude than the one shown in the scan, were able to reduce Post-Training Chainsaw Man to just a head and a torso.

What do you think about adding this?

 

[GunshyFever]

In due time, all profiles will be revised.

 

[MintyBoi1]

If the whole verse is getting updates, might as well wait

 

[Hiiilt]

kobeni's profile has been updated and now she has high 8-C ap with her knife, should this continue or it's a stomp?

 

[MintyBoi1]

I thought the High 8-C was to cement her victory since she already has the votes.

 

[Hiiilt]

I thought the High 8-C was to cement her victory since she already has the votes.

she can only harm her with her knife but the discussion happened before her profile was updated so i'm just asking in case someone changed their opinion