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This thread is to address the Attack Potency of Sasuke's Kirin technique, not for the speed or anything else really.
Current Calc
The current calc we use for Kirin's Attack Potency, though I'm not quite sure when it accepted, is this one:
The method is that is being used in the original is that the volume of the Uchiha Hideout is being calculated, 80% is being removed to account for the hollowness of the structure and the remaining 20% is assumed to be vaporized.
While I can accept some evidence of some amount of vaporization present here, the whole hideout being vaporized doesn't look accurate to me given the amount of rubble in the centre of destruction that is remaining where Sauske and Itachi continue their fight, and the large pieces of rubble scattered around the area further out go against this too.
On top of the vaporization, Wrath calculates the kinetic energy of the rubble further out from the Uchiha Hideout which is assumed to be flung that far (1517.5 meters) in the timeframe that the Kirin lightning bolt is active which is assumed to be 0.2 seconds like a typical lightning bolt. Even if we accept this timeframe for the duration of the Kirin itself, I don't see why we would assume that the rubble would reach that distance in that short timeframe since we only see it that far out after the Kirin has already concluded and we're able to see the aftermath. The rocks / rubble being launched up in the air by the Kirin itself doesn't mean that they travelled that far.
For those reasons I don't think the current calc consisting of total vaporization + kinetic energy should be continued to be used.
NOTE: To correct myself though, KLOL's edited version is what is actually being used so the above part doesn't need much attention paid to it:
In KLOL's version the entire mass of the Uchiha Hideout is assumed to travel half of the total height of the Uchiha Hideout during the timespan of Kirin being active.
In other words all 2,313,092,535,881.568 kilograms that the hideout is composed of is assumed to travel 621.908475865 meters downwards, compressed by the lightning bolt in a timeframe of 0.2 seconds.
I have issues with the 0.2 timeframe being used as the Kirin, while composed of natural lightning, does not behave like a an actual bolt of lightning and lasts a total of four seconds in the anime depiction of it.
I also take issue with the entire mass of the Uchiha Hideout moving that far because the entire structure isn't simply compressed but large pieces of it are sent flying off from the destruction, and the majority of the mass of the Hideout is further down to the ground than the halfway point of the Hideout.
Other Calcs
I haven't fully investigated these other calcs but these are all the ones I could find that use valid methods (not saying all of these calcs are necessarily accurate):
There are some variations of methods being used here, and variations for the size scaling of the Uchiha Hideout which is the primary object of focus that is being destroyed. I need to remake my calc for it, since one of the original scaling images has seemingly been lost, but getting a concrete size for the Hideout is a good starting place for the calc.
To clarify; I don't think we should necessarily replace Wrath's calc with one of these, just that these are a good starting point for a re-calc.
What To Do
The main things to settle as far as I can tell is:
1) Decide on what the best scaling is for the size of the Uchiha Hideout.
2) Decide on what the best method of destruction is for calculating the Attack Potency of the Kirin.
But first off what I'd like to settle is to see if anyone else agrees with the current calc being used right now is flawed, as I think it is.
I've been really busy lately, which is why it has taken me so long to get this thread up and start off the discussion on it, but I will attempt to get a re-calc completed for this over this weekend.
Current Calc
The current calc we use for Kirin's Attack Potency, though I'm not quite sure when it accepted, is this one:
- Wrath Of Itachi's Calc (With KLOL's Edit)
The method is that is being used in the original is that the volume of the Uchiha Hideout is being calculated, 80% is being removed to account for the hollowness of the structure and the remaining 20% is assumed to be vaporized.
While I can accept some evidence of some amount of vaporization present here, the whole hideout being vaporized doesn't look accurate to me given the amount of rubble in the centre of destruction that is remaining where Sauske and Itachi continue their fight, and the large pieces of rubble scattered around the area further out go against this too.
On top of the vaporization, Wrath calculates the kinetic energy of the rubble further out from the Uchiha Hideout which is assumed to be flung that far (1517.5 meters) in the timeframe that the Kirin lightning bolt is active which is assumed to be 0.2 seconds like a typical lightning bolt. Even if we accept this timeframe for the duration of the Kirin itself, I don't see why we would assume that the rubble would reach that distance in that short timeframe since we only see it that far out after the Kirin has already concluded and we're able to see the aftermath. The rocks / rubble being launched up in the air by the Kirin itself doesn't mean that they travelled that far.
For those reasons I don't think the current calc consisting of total vaporization + kinetic energy should be continued to be used.
NOTE: To correct myself though, KLOL's edited version is what is actually being used so the above part doesn't need much attention paid to it:
In KLOL's version the entire mass of the Uchiha Hideout is assumed to travel half of the total height of the Uchiha Hideout during the timespan of Kirin being active.
In other words all 2,313,092,535,881.568 kilograms that the hideout is composed of is assumed to travel 621.908475865 meters downwards, compressed by the lightning bolt in a timeframe of 0.2 seconds.
I have issues with the 0.2 timeframe being used as the Kirin, while composed of natural lightning, does not behave like a an actual bolt of lightning and lasts a total of four seconds in the anime depiction of it.
I also take issue with the entire mass of the Uchiha Hideout moving that far because the entire structure isn't simply compressed but large pieces of it are sent flying off from the destruction, and the majority of the mass of the Hideout is further down to the ground than the halfway point of the Hideout.
Other Calcs
I haven't fully investigated these other calcs but these are all the ones I could find that use valid methods (not saying all of these calcs are necessarily accurate):
- Damage3245's Calc
- TataHakai's Calc
- ImmortalCultivator's Calc
- Kepekley23's First Calc
- Kepekley23's Second Calc
There are some variations of methods being used here, and variations for the size scaling of the Uchiha Hideout which is the primary object of focus that is being destroyed. I need to remake my calc for it, since one of the original scaling images has seemingly been lost, but getting a concrete size for the Hideout is a good starting place for the calc.
To clarify; I don't think we should necessarily replace Wrath's calc with one of these, just that these are a good starting point for a re-calc.
What To Do
The main things to settle as far as I can tell is:
1) Decide on what the best scaling is for the size of the Uchiha Hideout.
2) Decide on what the best method of destruction is for calculating the Attack Potency of the Kirin.
But first off what I'd like to settle is to see if anyone else agrees with the current calc being used right now is flawed, as I think it is.
I've been really busy lately, which is why it has taken me so long to get this thread up and start off the discussion on it, but I will attempt to get a re-calc completed for this over this weekend.
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