Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[DaReaperMan]

Quite literraly one of the applications of Technology manipulation is manipulating magnetism.

Wrong. If you look directly before that in the same sentence you see "often exercised through the usage of other powers", and then it lists five potential ones. Which includes electricity. Suspicious, innit?

Also didn't he made some stones fly high for a moment while he was traveling as electricity?, i don't know about you, but that feels like something that you can only do if you have something more than just electricity manipulation.

Static electricity. Or see below

What, do you think i am a Vox wanker?nah i am doing this for the whole verse, it is for their benefit, not his.

It'd only benefit him. His electricity form blitzes Alastor, remember?

And no, i am saying that he can have many of those abilities, like it is saying that Alastor only has darkness manipulation because of the shadows and ignore that he has many other abilities.
Why can't Vox have electromagnetism and light, electricity and such abilities?

We give him what he has shown, not what we want him to have. What he has shown is on his profile, what we want him to have is not.

Yes i know that it is a metaphor, but again, his entire thing is related to all of his abilities (if you want it is almost symbolic), he has sharks interest, his sinner physiology is the one of a shark and a tv man.

He has a TV head because he died like that.

He is shown to have something related to tv's, light and electricity several times across the song, which in the end are all abilities he ended up having in hell.

You realize how incredibly obvious it is that those are after effects, right? Vox did that, not Vincent. Hell, if you really want to get into it, guess what, it was flashes of his modern design showing, not the box TV he had when he arrived in hell.

This, like Charlie not being a morally grey person, are both things you're wrong on.

Why would he not have the air waves thing when I want to wank him?

Fixed

Again, he made some tiny rocks levitate. Which as far has i know, electricity by itself doesn't make you levitate rocks.

And nor does magnetism manipulation. That'd be Earth Manipulation if anything.

yes we have (for the use of electricity).
and for him transforming into one, like seriosly there is many scenes to show that and it is almost ridiculous.

This tells me you haven't been reading my posts, because the context behind this wasn't Vox. It was Alastor. Want proof?

Alastor is a different character, with mechanics we know for a fact work differently to other sinners. He is also not giving Vox any abilities, unless we also want to say Alastor can turn into electricity and Vox can create voodoo shadow demons?

Like in the pilot, or in his fight against Adam or using it for his tentacles, another time and it can be seen to generate electricity around himself.
He even summons his staff with a electricity sound added on it and again using it around himself.

I said TRANSFORM INTO electricity. Not CAN USE electricity.

Well he can do both anyway.

Which you DO NOT have scans for.

Are you done? Do I need to start busting out the heading and underlines for you to get it?

So he is FTL by being lightning itself and his own light can project holograms into a interplanetary distances and he should obviosly be able to teleport (or move at super speed as lightning) or move to any place that has screens...and Heaven has screens...or more like he projected his own holograms on that realm.
YEAH THAT WORKS FOR ME.

Except at max wank, now it's just Alastor getting blitzed by FTL instead of MHS. Same Alastor who upscales 95% of the rest of the cast BTW.

İs there any proof to say vox project himself in heaven instantly? İt could take seconds
You cant say he project himself faster than emws

Yes, yes he can. He did so literally on-screen. It's the entire reason he has interplanetary range with that shit.

 

[Alexander]

Wrong. If you look directly before that in the same sentence you see "often exercised through the usage of other powers", and then it lists five potential ones. Which includes electricity. Suspicious, innit?

And what has Vox shown to have?
Oh yeah, he was shown to have most of those powers too, what a coincidence.

Static electricity. Or see below

But we already established that his electricity works in many other ways.

It'd only benefit him. His electricity form blitzes Alastor, remember?

"Blitzes" and Alastor could clearly react and fight Vox even when he should have the reaction time when he is on the electric form, if he didn't have that he would basically be bashing himself across any place whatsoever, it is incompatible for him to have that speed and not have the reaction time.

Unless you think that it also alters his own perception of his own speed reaction.

We give him what he has shown, not what we want him to have. What he has shown is on his profile, what we want him to have is not.

And somehow none of what i mentioned correlates to electromagnetism?

Except at max wank, now it's just Alastor getting blitzed by FTL instead of MHS. Same Alastor who upscales 95% of the rest of the cast BTW.

And Alastor blitzed Vox many times on his fight, VOX COULDN'T EVEN GET HIM OFF at all, Alastor is supposed to be superior to Vox in every way possible, not just pure power alone.

Because we separated transformed speed vox and combat speed Vox.

For no god damn reason really, because there are no statements or implications that those two states are separated things (as in, they have different speed reactions or perceptions) it makes no sense for that to be the case.

 

[Alexander]

Also yes, i am still angry that we somehow allowed to pass that Emily is not as fast has the light of the Might of Lilith for some reason.

 

[Aytugsss]

Wrong. If you look directly before that in the same sentence you see "often exercised through the usage of other powers", and then it lists five potential ones. Which includes electricity. Suspicious, innit?

Static electricity. Or see below

It'd only benefit him. His electricity form blitzes Alastor, remember?

We give him what he has shown, not what we want him to have. What he has shown is on his profile, what we want him to have is not.

He has a TV head because he died like that.

You realize how incredibly obvious it is that those are after effects, right? Vox did that, not Vincent. Hell, if you really want to get into it, guess what, it was flashes of his modern design showing, not the box TV he had when he arrived in hell.

This, like Charlie not being a morally grey person, are both things you're wrong on.

Fixed

And nor does magnetism manipulation. That'd be Earth Manipulation if anything.

This tells me you haven't been reading my posts, because the context behind this wasn't Vox. It was Alastor. Want proof?





Are you done? Do I need to start busting out the heading and underlines for you to get it?

Except at max wank, now it's just Alastor getting blitzed by FTL instead of MHS. Same Alastor who upscales 95% of the rest of the cast BTW.

Yes, yes he can. He did so literally on-screen. It's the entire reason he has interplanetary range with that shit.

İs there any number for distance between heaven and hell?

 

[Alexander]

İs there any number for distance between heaven and hell?

No

 

[DaReaperMan]

And what has Vox shown to have?
Oh yeah, he was shown to have most of those powers too, what a coincidence.

Except for magnetism manipulation. In fact, that's the one he's missing proof for.

But we already established that his electricity works in many other ways.

It's either static electricity or earth manip, pick one.

"Blitzes" and Alastor could clearly react and fight Vox even when he should have the reaction time when he is on the electric form, if he didn't have that he would basically be bashing himself across any place whatsoever, it is incompatible for him to have that speed and not have the reaction time.

Did Alastor react here? Or perhaps here?

Nope. He couldn't do shit either time. And he was legitimately trying to fight and wasn't throwing in that first one.

Unless you think that it also alters his own perception of his own speed reaction.

I just think it's travel speed Vox can use as an attack. Ya know. Like is on his profile right now.

And somehow none of what i mentioned correlates to electromagnetism?

You showed Earth Manipulation!

And Alastor blitzed Vox many times on his fight, VOX COULDN'T EVEN GET HIM OFF at all, Alastor is supposed to be superior to Vox in every way possible, not just pure power alone.

Alastor is "The Strongest Sinner in Hell", not the fastest(though FP Al is definitely the fastest discounting transformations).

For no god damn reason really, because there are no statements or implications that those two states are separated things (as in, they have different speed reactions or perceptions) it makes no sense for that to be the case.

See above

İs there any number for distance between heaven and hell?

None given.

 

[Alexander]

Time to be a responsible brother figure now, thanks for the discussion.

 

[Aytugsss]

None given.

So you cant say voxs project speed is faster than light, light speed could be enough for instant project
Also wox contuniously send energy to heaven for control their technology and we also dont know the timer of vox project himself
İ guess emv waves to control trchnology is still valid

 

[DaReaperMan]

So you cant say voxs project speed is faster than light, light speed could be enough for instant project
Also wox contuniously send energy to heaven for control their technology and we also dont know the timer of vox project himself
İ guess emv waves to control trchnology is still valid

It's another celestial body the size of a planet. Anything regarding going to it it is going to be FTL unless you really, REALLY choose to ignore all other context. This is why the Might of Lilith, which fired for about 20 seconds and is 1.7c, is FTL.

Vox does that in 4. 1.7 x 6 is 10.2, or FTL+.

 

[Alexander]

It's another celestial body the size of a planet. Anything regarding going to it it is going to be FTL unless you really, REALLY choose to ignore all other context. This is why the Might of Lilith, which fired for about 20 seconds and is 1.7c, is FTL.

Vox does that in 4. 1.7 x 6 is 10.2, or FTL+.

Actually it takes like 2 seconds for the laser to reach Heaven.
And after saying "Holy shit" it takes him like 3 seconds.
Now you could take into account that the moon/sun of Hell (pride ring) is more close than Heaven is.

 

[Aytugsss]

It's another celestial body the size of a planet. Anything regarding going to it it is going to be FTL unless you really, REALLY choose to ignore all other context. This is why the Might of Lilith, which fired for about 20 seconds and is 1.7c, is FTL.

Vox does that in 4. 1.7 x 6 is 10.2, or FTL+.

What is this 20 second?
İts takes half second to reach heaven
Calc used 0,45 second
So if its takes 4 second for vox to project himself to the heaven,its becomes rel speed

 

[DaReaperMan]

What is this 20 second?
İts takes half second to reach heaven
Calc used 0,45 second

It used 0.45 just for the shot of heaven. AKA, it took that long to reach the full Calc distance.

So if its takes 4 second for vox to project himself to the heaven,its becomes rel speed

Which isn't SoL either so

 

[Aytugsss]

It used 0.45 just for the shot of heaven. AKA, it took that long to reach the full Calc distance

Because heaven barrier blocked the attack
And i took a look again the used timer is 0,29 to get 1.7 c

.

Which isn't SoL either so

İts could be and its should be for me

 

[Alexander]

No seriosly, we need to at least make some assumptions into how far Heaven is compared to Hell by using the moon.

 

[Aytugsss]

No seriosly, we need to at least make some assumptions into how far Heaven is compared to Hell by using the moon.

Just if someone asks vivzie in their podcasts

 

[Alexander]

Just if someone asks vivzie in their podcasts

Same podcasts that answers questions like "ships this ships that"?
Honestly don't get me wrong, but i find more annoying that they use the podcasts to asks about ships sometimes

 

[Aytugsss]

Same podcasts that answers questions like "ships this ships that"?
Honestly don't get me wrong, but i find more annoying that they use the podcasts to asks about ships sometimes

İm not watching podcasts dw ,its seems like annoying if they talks about ships constantly
But its the only way ig

 

[Alexander]

İm not watching podcasts dw ,its seems like annoying if they talks about ships constantly
But its the only way ig

I mean not constantly but sometimes

 

[DaReaperMan]

Remember, if it's not stated more than once or is supported by the show, WoG is pretty much banned.

 

[Alexander]

Remember, if it's not stated more than once or is supported by the show, WoG is pretty much banned.

I mean what do you think realm refers to?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean what do you think realm refers to?

It could mean city, island, planet, star, universe, multiverse, depends on the context.

 

[Alexander]

It could mean city, island, planet, star, universe, multiverse, depends on the context.

"The Mortal realm, with the sky full of stars".
that one

 

[DaReaperMan]

"The Mortal realm, with the sky full of stars".
that one

Oh, so city!

 

[Alexander]

Oh, so city!

Okay this feels like you are just being funny for the sake of it

 

[Mythic381]

Oh, so city!

Yeah, because that's what the stars part was supposed to emphasize.

What would "mortal realm" even supposed to mean outside of the universe anyways

 

[OmenISTIRED]

So Stolas is listed as Upscaling Octavias 8-C+ feat so could we possibly list him as "Possibly Large Building" given he should realistically Upscale by a large amount, i have seem similar stuff done.

Also less important shouldn't Andrelphus Downscale Octavia given how much she was visibly struggling

 

[DaReaperMan]

So Stolas is listed as Upscaling Octavias 8-C+ feat so could we possibly list him as "Possibly Large Building" given he should realistically Upscale by a large amount, i have seem similar stuff done.

Too big of a tier jump.

Also less important shouldn't Andrelphus Downscale Octavia given how much she was visibly struggling

Same dragon Loona did some cracking to and shit BTW. Unless we're gonna scale I.M.P to them too, the answer is simply no due to scaling reasons.

Yeah, because that's what the stars part was supposed to emphasize.

What would "mortal realm" even supposed to mean outside of the universe anyways

 

[OmenISTIRED]

Too big of a tier jump<

Fair enough

Same dragon Loona did some cracking to and shit BTW. Unless we're gonna scale I.M.P to them too, the answer is simply no due to scaling reasons.<

I assumed him turning it into a Hydra was signifying him using Full Power rather than the probably not Full Power of before, thus meaning the Anti-Feats wouldn't apply anymore.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Those peeps are alr mach 3+, they don't need it buuuuuuut could be good support

Why has NOBODY calced Alastor quickly moving an oil tanker at high speed/ the speed he sent Vox off with? He went FAR, and in only like 3 seconds tops, surely that would give an upgrade considering Vox AND Val were dodging his tentacles and Val even cut one as it was coming towards him, I bet it could get at least close to hypersonic, which would be better for Overlord tier characters and provide more to Luci as a hypersonic character

Oh, and possibly weakened Al lifting support feats + dura from the explosion the tanker caused

The more support the better!

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Why has NOBODY calced Alastor quickly moving an oil tanker at high speed/ the speed he sent Vox off with? He went FAR, and in only like 3 seconds tops, surely that would give an upgrade considering Vox AND Val were dodging his tentacles and Val even cut one as it was coming towards him, I bet it could get at least close to hypersonic, which would be better for Overlord tier characters and provide more to Luci as a hypersonic character

Oh, and possibly weakened Al lifting support feats + dura from the explosion the tanker caused

The more support the better!

Because calculating takes time, and there are higher-priority calculations. I started calculating these Al vs. Vox feats about four months ago.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Why has NOBODY calced Alastor quickly moving an oil tanker at high speed/ the speed he sent Vox off with? He went FAR, and in only like 3 seconds tops, surely that would give an upgrade considering Vox AND Val were dodging his tentacles and Val even cut one as it was coming towards him, I bet it could get at least close to hypersonic, which would be better for Overlord tier characters and provide more to Luci as a hypersonic character

Oh, and possibly weakened Al lifting support feats + dura from the explosion the tanker caused

The more support the better!

Feats I see that should be calced and I'll figure out how to do my damn self if nobody else will:
1. W!Al whipping an oil tanker/water tanker truck at high speeds to Vox, which makes an explosion that kicks up a massive dust cloud and sends cars flying at high speeds
2. Vox being sent off so fast his electric particles only last a few frames
3. Vox having been sent so far out that he literally NEEDS to be presented as a star to let the audience know where he is, so he's so far away he can't be seen
4. Once again, WEAKENED AL launches himself after Vox and not only catches up but SURPASSES HIM, meaning he would have had to go even faster to catch up, and it doesn't look like Vox slowed down any (he was so far away when he gomu gomu no slingshoted that he wasn't visible until he came into frame)
5. Al being able to attack Vox and cut off that piece of him means he CAN react to all of this and he definitely gets a travel speed upgrade via tenti-shot

This all also does something else, gives us an idea of size for one overlord district, I'm sure that the size scaling here would be VERY useful for any future endeavors with finding the Pride rings size

Did I miss anything here? AP, dura, lifting, C/R AND travel speed support/possible upgrades AND a better idea of Prides size? Sounds like a set of calcs that should be made...just sayin.

Also did nobody calc Vox throwing Al into the bridge? Once again, that HAS to yield something good right? + Al using his shadow form to blow the bridge above in 3 places has to get more good building level stuff too right?

Ok, now I'm done.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Because calculating takes time, and there are higher-priority calculations. I started calculating these Al vs. Vox feats about four months ago.

I didnt see this b4 making my post just so u know

Feats I see that should be calced and I'll figure out how to do my damn self if nobody else will:
1. W!Al whipping an oil tanker/water tanker truck at high speeds to Vox, which makes an explosion that kicks up a massive dust cloud and sends cars flying at high speeds
2. Vox being sent off so fast his electric particles only last a few frames
3. Vox having been sent so far out that he literally NEEDS to be presented as a star to let the audience know where he is, so he's so far away he can't be seen
4. Once again, WEAKENED AL launches himself after Vox and not only catches up but SURPASSES HIM, meaning he would have had to go even faster to catch up, and it doesn't look like Vox slowed down any (he was so far away when he gomu gomu no slingshoted that he wasn't visible until he came into frame)
5. Al being able to attack Vox and cut off that piece of him means he CAN react to all of this and he definitely gets a travel speed upgrade via tenti-shot

This all also does something else, gives us an idea of size for one overlord district, I'm sure that the size scaling here would be VERY useful for any future endeavors with finding the Pride rings size

Did I miss anything here? AP, dura, lifting, C/R AND travel speed support/possible upgrades AND a better idea of Prides size? Sounds like a set of calcs that should be made...just sayin.

Also did nobody calc Vox throwing Al into the bridge? Once again, that HAS to yield something good right? + Al using his shadow form to blow the bridge above in 3 places has to get more good building level stuff too right?

Ok, now I'm done.

 

[OmenISTIRED]

Feats I see that should be calced and I'll figure out how to do my damn self if nobody else will:
1. W!Al whipping an oil tanker/water tanker truck at high speeds to Vox, which makes an explosion that kicks up a massive dust cloud and sends cars flying at high speeds
2. Vox being sent off so fast his electric particles only last a few frames
3. Vox having been sent so far out that he literally NEEDS to be presented as a star to let the audience know where he is, so he's so far away he can't be seen
4. Once again, WEAKENED AL launches himself after Vox and not only catches up but SURPASSES HIM, meaning he would have had to go even faster to catch up, and it doesn't look like Vox slowed down any (he was so far away when he gomu gomu no slingshoted that he wasn't visible until he came into frame)
5. Al being able to attack Vox and cut off that piece of him means he CAN react to all of this and he definitely gets a travel speed upgrade via tenti-shot

This all also does something else, gives us an idea of size for one overlord district, I'm sure that the size scaling here would be VERY useful for any future endeavors with finding the Pride rings size

Did I miss anything here? AP, dura, lifting, C/R AND travel speed support/possible upgrades AND a better idea of Prides size? Sounds like a set of calcs that should be made...just sayin.

Also did nobody calc Vox throwing Al into the bridge? Once again, that HAS to yield something good right? + Al using his shadow form to blow the bridge above in 3 places has to get more good building level stuff too right?

Ok, now I'm done.

some other feats that might get somewhere()
are

Vox pimp slapping Alastor(3:53)
Vox shattering glass(3:58)
Vox obliterating glass(4:03)
Vox turning a pile of both concrete and cars into rocks(4:25)

(Also i suggest you do just learn to do this yourself, the more people the better)

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

(Also i suggest you do just learn to do this yourself, the more people the better)

I'd love too, but need to get my ducks in a row to figure out how in the first place

 

[Alexander]

We forgot to give the demons of the Ars Goetia acid resistance.
Stolas was able to drink a bottle full of acid

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

We forgot to give the demons of the Ars Goetia acid resistance.
Stolas was able to drink a bottle full of acid

When?

 

[Alexander]

When?

Seeing Stars

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

When?