Kirby (universe) revisions part 2

[The_real_cal_howard]

Like I said, the feat is speculatory, and likely isn't legit, but how on earth is it not universal? There'd be a lot of downgraded characters with that bit.

 

[Eficiente]

@ArbitraryNumbers Yes, resistance to transmutation/magic( or both).

@Cal What he say plus the things of "real world" and "world of painting" I found.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Is it possible for GK to receive this tier for that special attack in the gif?:

"At least 4-A, likely much/far higher"

 

[Eficiente]

@Magi RobloxG No because we are not even considering it as a star level thing.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

@Magi RobloxG No because we are not even considering it as a star level thing.

Just making sure.

 

[Eficiente]

(I would still like a more clear explanation of that issue.)

 

[Eficiente]

I am adding the things, can someone put the resistance to Time Manipulation in Kirby?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Cal

Because surving the collapse of something does not make you that level, especially if said thing isn't being done by an explosion or attack. Surviving the collapse of a city does not make you city level, for instance.

@AN

That would be extremely weird, considering the feat explicitly shows vulnerability to reality warping.

 

[Eficiente]

@Azzy Buu doing that to Vegito shows the same. Just Resistance, not invulnerability.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Different case. Every time Buu used the candy beam before Vegiti, the victim became powerless, normal candy.

Drawcia simply tried to turn Kirby into a ball and succeeded. Kirby didn't even save himself. The player did.

 

[DarkLordofShadows]

Then why isn't reality warping listed on Drawcia's profille?

 

[Eficiente]

Kirby could still copy abilities and do this, the whole "help from the player" is barely and hardly something to take into account.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That's...literally never the case here with universal collapses. It's literally always 3-A, High 3-A, or Low 2-C. At lowest, 3-B.

But why am I bothering? You can only beat a bureaucrat by being a bureacrat

 

[DarkLordofShadows]

Hmm ... "At least Multi-Galaxy level, possibly Universe level (Even after being defeated and reverting to base form, Magolor managed to survive the destruction of the parallel universe)"

Something is not right ...

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

That's...literally never the case here with universal collapses. It's literally always 3-A, High 3-A, or Low 2-C. At lowest, 3-B.
But why am I bothering? You can only beat a bureaucrat by being a bureacrat

If the universe is collapsed by being directly attacked, yes. Or by something that is itself universe level. Assuming surviving the destruction of a universe to be 3-A assumes the entirety of the universe-destroying energy, or even a large portion of it, was focused on the character surviving it. Unless that is suggested, there is no reason to assume that's true. Especially if absolutely nothing but "the universe collapsed" is known.

Or having arguments that don't hinge on massive speculation or points discussed a dozen times before. That works, too.

 

[DarkLordofShadows]

"completely ignored (insert joke here)"

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Universe level Kirby is no joke.

If you look at all the threads about it, you can see it is clearly the most pressing and important issue our wiki has ever had to deal with.

 

[Eficiente]

@Azzy Also that meant the player has MFTL+ speeds and reactions via defeating Drawcia and what happened in Spectacle Space.

 

[DarkLordofShadows]

I wasn't joking about universe level Kirby. I was joking about being ignored around here. My english isn't that good y'know...

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@DarkLord

That, in itself, was meant to be a joke. Though it was partially mangled by attempting to seriously discuss other things. lol

@Eficiente

Yes, it does. Because they are explicitly the one helping Kirby and controlling the magic paint brush. They're treated kinda like the player in Earthbound.

 

[Eficiente]

@Eficiente

Yes, it does. Because they are explicitly the one helping Kirby and controlling the magic paint brush. They're treated kinda like the player in Earthbound.

I strongly disagree with this. Nothing more to say.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Azzy knows we joke around with passive aggression.

 

[DarkLordofShadows]

wait, if it was needed the player to defeat Drawcia, then shouldn't she be upgraded or something?

 

[Eficiente]

@DarkLord An upgrade for Drawcia? stop dreaming.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Eficiente

I mean, you can disagree, but it's directly stated in the opening and ending of the game. Not exactly left ambiguous.

@DarkLord

I mean, she's clearly way more powerful than Kirby when it comes to the uses of her magic, but it doesn't necessarily mean she's physically stronger, considering ramming ball Kirby into her still did damage.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also, I already said that it's speculatory. But not as much as Undertale stuff ovo</>

 

[Eficiente]

@Azzy Does the player can "ramming ball Kirby into her" with Multi-Solar System levels of powa?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Cal

Blasphemy. Clearly I just haven't upgraded Asriel to 1-A yet for taking control away from a real person.

@Eficiente

If it's Kirby, then probably. Just because he can't move on his own doesn't mean he can't be launched at full power when backed by the magic paintbrush.

 

[Eficiente]

@Azzy And the player is also helping MK give spades as if him were doing it since he can't move, right?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Azzy And the player is also helping MK give spades as if him were doing it since he can't move, right?

I don't understand what you mean by this part. By the game's logic, the things the player is canonically doing throughout the journey would be things using the magic paintbrush.

 

[Eficiente]

MK was clearly attacking with his sword, the paintbrush wasn't controlling that.