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Kirby (universe) revisions part 2

Eficiente

Eficiente

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Mostly in Haxes & Resistances, possible upgrade to Galacta Knight and for the Lor Starcutter in speed.

Haxes & resistances
(X)Perception Manipulation for Paint Kirby as he blind his opponents's view. (This kinda goes to his list of more useful haxes.)

(X)Remember how MK's sword can shatter souls? Well, shouldn't Dark Meta Knight, Kirby and Magolor have the same? DMK for being an alternate version of a dimension that we are not yet considering as a universe/his darkest shadow, Kirby with this abilities: Master, Magic when summoning MK and Ultra Sword when replicating Galaxia (MK's sword)(they aren't random replicas as he uses the main one to give the critical hits to Magolor and the G.Doomer), Magolor for the same, he was copying Kirby's Super Abilities (notice how just his Soul EX form uses 2 Galaxias, his normal Soul form uses normal swords.)(Also, as you may have noticed I don't agree with Kirby's Platinum Blade having that, being the most powerful sword doesn't mean that also possesses that Hax if I'm not mistaken).

(X)Because of that Hax, Soul Manipulation resistance for Kirby, DDD (Lost against MK 2 non-canon times), MK (beat this guy... and was also defeated by Dark Meta Knight), Dark Mind (Does it sound redundant to include it? not necessarily)(and that if he can fight without a soul... ?), Dark Meta Knight, Galacta Knight, Sectonia, Dark Matter and their superiors and equals, right?

(X)Speaking of him... he re-created the sword used to defeat him with his memories (Jap), Reality Warping, Matter Manipulation, Light Manipulation & Blade Constructio? also "So Dark Matter must have sensed that Meta Knight's powers were truly formidable, and materialised the power of the Rainbow Sword to counter him." Enhanced Senses and add that to his intellect part for doing it instantly. Does Zero scales to this via shooting Dark Matters as prollectiles?

(Ô£ô?)Both Transmutation & Existence Erasure Resistance for MK and DDD sence they were in Epic Yarn and Canvas Curse the last being as playable characters, so they survived this. (Multi-Solar System Waddle Dee and Doo with Resistance to Existence Erasure via that?, they were also playable characters and have an outlier of that level. Today i feel ambitious.)

Claycia created life with her less powerful sister (Ô£ô)(Life Creation), transformed many of the creatures she created into cannons (Ô£ô)(transmutation?), creates gray waves that denies Elline's rainbows (X)(Power Nullification), ripped a hole in time and space because she thinks that's cool (Ô£ô)(Space-Time Manipulation, Nintendo put and translated these Comic in one of its pages) and can steals kinetic energy colors from people turning them into statues (X)(Color Manipulation). (X)Kirby was transformed into an statue at the beginning of the game and in the end he was able to defeat Claycia, either that's plot armor or he gain resistance to Color Manipulation through the game.

Someone remembers when I call Galacta Knight's Another Dimension Attack "Time World Deep Flash"? That's a more appropriate translation of his name in Japanese, and... "I wonder - the Lor Starcutter that can be seen when Galacta Knight performs this attack...what time is it from?" (Ô£ô)Time Manipulation. (X)Resistance to that for Kirby and MK or it's still just Spatial Manipulation resistance only? GK does the thing with his spear, Kirby and MK take attacks of his spear, that counts?

GK

Time world deep flash
(X)(Note: I'm fully aware of this.) Contemplate the gif. Watch it for a minute if necessary.

There are real stars going rapidly in the down-left part, real stars and giant generics false stars slowly going in the left-up part and galaxies slowly going in the down-right part.

Universe or not, he is throwing some galaxies. I thought that would match perfect considering we are discussing Dark Mind controlling at least 2 galaxies.

Lor
(X) Infinite speed. "This craft is capable of traversing space and time, so a meeting of two Lor Starcutters from different times is certainly possible. Wow, wouldn't it be cool if that really happened?". Needless to say, Mister Outlier himself scales to this (who already also has a feat of Infinite speed, but rejected) and possibly Landia (which would justify better said rejected feat, but what would really do that is the fact that Magolor was first to conquer Another Dimension).
 
Personally, I'm unsure about the infinite speed part, but I support pretty much everything else.

Edit: Last I checked, Lor was only like 300 Quadrillion times FTL.
 
i think magolor and landia should also have resistence to soul manipulation has they have fought agaist meta knight
 
@Ant

It's accurate to the current Landia profile, who is still rated as 3-B.

Though as I've stated multiple times in the past, he shouldn't be.
 
Okay. What do you think that they should be adjusted to and why?
 
Having the Crown =/= being equal to Magolor with the Crown. Magolor using all the power of the Crown nearly destroyed him and turned him into nothing but a vessel for the Crown. Anything less than that is not worthy of scaling.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
Having the Crown =/= being equal to Magolor with the Crown. Magolor using all the power of the Crown nearly destroyed him and turned him into nothing but a vessel for the Crown. Anything less than that is not worthy of scaling.
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and that's why magolor is possibly 3-A, while landia is only 3-B
 
"Blah blah Landia has much better control of the Crown as he was the guardian of it, while Magolor was a total newbie. Also, it seems Magolor absorbed some of the power of the Master Crown as he recreated Another Dimension simply for a race"
 
So, should both profiles be adjusted?
 
@Azathoth

Okay. Feel free to correct them then.
 
Anyway, I guess I should also address some stuff brought up in the op.

"Perception Manipulation for Paint Kirby as he blind his opponents's view."

Kirby literally throws paint everywhere to blind enemies. Calling this Perception Manipulation is being ridiculously loose.

"Remember how MK's sword can shatter souls?"

No, because it wasn't accepted.

"Speaking of him... he re-created the sword used to defeat him with his memories (Jap), Reality Warping, Matter Manipulation, Light Manipulation & Blade Construction?"

This says the equivalent of "he could make a copy of the sword because he remembered it". Nothing special or new.

"Both Transmutation & Existence Erasure Resistance for MK and DDD sence they were in Epic Yarn and Canvas Curse the last being as playable characters, so they survived this."

No. They didn't resist anything. Drawcia was destroyed and her curse was undone.

"Claycia created life with her less powerful sister (Life Creation), transformed many of the creatures she created into cannons (transmutation?), creates gray waves that denies Elline's rainbows (Power Nullification), ripped a hole in time and space because she thinks that's cool (Space-Time Manipulation, Nintendo put and translated these Comic in one of its pages) and can steals kinetic energy colors from people turning them into statues (Color Manipulation)."

Most of this seems fine, except Power Nullification. By this logic anyone who cancels any attack ever has Power Nullification, despite how extremely vague this is. Color Manipulation seems like Petrification, albeit I don't think it can be done whenever. When Kirby and Bandana Dee got their colors back, they chased Claycia/Dark Crafter back through the portal, and it couldn't petrify them, again.

"Universe or not, he is throwing some galaxies."

I can't believe this is back. If we take this scene as Galacta Knight literally shooting those things out of his sword, he's shooting 8 inch wide galaxies at Kirby. This feat is not Tier 3 in any way whatsoever.

Other people have already said why Lor's feat isn't infinite, so yeah.
 
Okay. Since the raised issues have been answered, perhaps we should remove the highlight and close this thread.
 
@Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot The opponent's view is permanently blinded with the goofy ability it also has no idea where his opponent is, as you can read in the image, what else would it need to count?

Then why DDD and MK were balls?

About the Time World Deep Flash... "And, if there is someone inside it, who are they, and where are they going? Presumably, when the rift opens and we can see them, they can see into our world, too!" I can see how the size has no importance, nothing removes that among the things he is throwing is the Lor, a ship much larger than Kirby. Either everything is compressed or this is game logic.

Beyond that we should mention the things that remain.
 
The Lor traversing space and time wasn't mentioned as something new or an ability, meaning that's something it can do without being designed for that.
 
"The opponent's view is permanently blinded with the goofy ability it also has no idea where his opponent is, as you can read in the image, what else would it need to count?"

This is literally the same as qualifying throwing sand in someone's eyes as perception manipulation.

"Then why DDD and MK were balls?"

...what?

"I can see how the size has no importance, nothing removes that among the things he is throwing is the Lor, a ship much larger than Kirby. Either everything is compressed or this is game logic."

The posted quote explicitly said he's tearing open a rift. This entire point is bunk.

"The Lor traversing space and time wasn't mentioned as something new or an ability, meaning that's something it can do without being designed for that"

...again, what?
 
Pidgey has perception manipulation ovo. But in all seriousness, Azzy. It may be possible that GK survived the collapse of Another Dimension.
 
It's more speculatory than anything else, but given that he was sealed within AD, and he appears later for Robobot, he must've. Then again, it could be said Suzie survives it too for that reason...
 
Well if GK still has time manipulation and Kirby and MK resistance to that I will consider this a victory.
 
@Azzy

DDD and Meta Knight were both turned into balls that were playable characters, similar to Kirby. Thus, I think Eficiente is trying to argue that they should have the same resistance to reality warping because of it.
 
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