Keaton Batman upgrade

[Crazylatin77]

The stats for The Joker are unreliable. He wasn't a physical threat for Batman in the entire movie, with the only exception being when he blew up the Batplane. There are also some abilities that are missing from his profile, such as Electricity Manipulation with his buzzer, Acid Manipulation with the flower on his lapel, Poison Manipulation with several toxins and Death Manipulation with Smilex.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

accuracy over preference, they are still the same guy in the end (I don't even think it will get a huge backlash)

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

The stats for The Joker are unreliable. He wasn't a physical threat for Batman in the entire movie, with the only exception being when he blew up the Batplane. There are also some abilities that are missing from his profile, such as Electricity Manipulation with his buzzer, Acid Manipulation with the flower on his lapel, Poison Manipulation with several toxins and Death Manipulation with Smilex.

He supposedly could put up somewhat of a fight and he should be comparable to catwoman

 

[Crazylatin77]

Not even. He took a massive beating from Batman and hurted his hand after trying to punch him in the gut.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

This is most likely from Bruces armor, and if he was able to take a massive beating from batman then his durability is 9-B and if he could hurt those who can hurt him then he is also 9-B AP wise

He should also scale to other characters like selena since physically she also couldn't really compare to bats and mainly used her weapons

 

[Crazylatin77]

Yes, his durability should stay the same, but AP and Striking Strength are all wrong.

Catwoman could stagger Bruce with nearly every attack even with his armor. The Joker hurted himself trying to punch him. You can't really compare both

 

[Crazylatin77]

Btw, his Lifting Strength should change too. Lifting that gun should be Regular Human, Above Average at best

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Well if his durability is 9-B and he can hurt those who can hurt him then he himself is 9-B

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Btw, she mainly whipped at him with her claws which would obviously make him stagger but i get your point

 

[Crazylatin77]

But he couldn't hurt Batman through normal means. Taking down the Batplane goes beyond Striking Strength, and that's what his current AP is based on.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

I don't mean him hurting batman specifically, lets say one of his thugs punched him and gave him a bloody nose and then he took them down, this is more along the lines of what i am saying

anyways durability and AP usually go hand in hand unless specified not

 

[KLOL506]

The Joker part seems to make sense, but Batman is flat-out 9-B.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

for who are you supporting with the joker part?

 

[KLOL506]

Crazylatin, and as far as I've seen, Joker couldn't really make a dent on Bats and had to resort to backhanded tactics.

 

[KLOL506]

Smilex is just poison manipulation.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

i still think he should be 9-B just on a lower level, because it doesn't really make sense for him in fights

 

[KLOL506]

Unless there's a scan of him hurting himself with his own strikes, we really can't do much about it.

 

[Crazylatin77]

anyways durability and AP usually go hand in hand unless specified not

No they're not. Striking Strength goes hand in hand with Durability. Not the other way around. If a character deals a certain amount of damage, he should be able take the same amount. Plus, if a character doesn't have any other way of attacking aside from physical blows, AP is equal to the Striking Strength, which isn't the case here.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

eh, for me i thought of it in a more common sense sort of way

if someone was fighting him and could hurt him then their AP would be 9-B but if joker could hurt them their durability would be lower which just creates problems and seems to make sense that they would both just be 9-B

heck it might make more sense if the suit highers batmans dura since the only times people hurt him were from weapons or when they completely outclassed him

or it might be a case of PIS

 

[Crazylatin77]

Btw, she mainly whipped at him with her claws which would obviously make him stagger but i get your point

In this scene Catwoman mainly kicks Batman and nearly every attack gets a reaction out of Batman.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

notice how she kicks him while he is climbing a ladder, she mainly aims for the face, and is mainly pushing him

 

[Crazylatin77]

You still can't compare to The Joker retrieving in pain after throwing a punch

 

[KLOL506]

Unless Joker hurts himself with his own punches, we really can't put him at 9-B.

 

[KLOL506]

Another speed feat, since whips are generally Transonic.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

i don't think batman outpaced the whip, and if so it would only be reaction speed

perhaps for the joker "At least (blank), at most 9-B" this fits both of our arguments and makes sense plot wise even though i still think that the final fight was PIS

 

[Crazylatin77]

@KLOL506

Dude, waiting until CRT is concluded before making the changes

 

[KLOL506]

He was casually sidestepping away from it and he already moves faster than most people's reactions.

 

[KLOL506]

Wall level for Bats and Catwoman and Supersonic was accepted tho.

Only thing left is the other trashy films.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Gubz did some stuff for Bane (question is can we scale Two Face to Bruce?)

 

[Crazylatin77]

The Joker's AP is partly accurate now. It should be like this:

Attack Potency: Human level physically (Can hurt himself with his punches), Street level to Wall level with firearms (His biggest gun can take down the Batplane), Small Building level with hand buzzer (Fried a grown man to the bones)

Striking Strength should change to Human Class as well

 

[KLOL506]

Some scans for vaping needed.

 

[KLOL506]

Also, Joker is Wall level in dura. He hasn't shown any feats of hurting himself with his punches.

 

[Crazylatin77]

There, I updated it with the scans. It shows him backing away in pain after the punch.

 

[KLOL506]

Actually, that's when he hurts himself by hitting something tougher than himself.

 

[KLOL506]

Also, the skeleton still remains, so it can't be taken fully for vaporization.

 

[Crazylatin77]

Btw, his Lifting Strength should change too. Lifting that gun should be Regular Human, Above Average at best

That gun doesn't seem nearly that heavy