Kaguya's Regenerationn (Naruto)

[BarryAllen2.0]

I just realized that Kaguya is rated at Low-Mid, iirc, for Regenerationn and that shouldn't be the case.

As we saw in the battle with Sasuke and Naruto, Kaguya converted her body to pure Chakra and reformed it together making a newly healed body.

Because of that feat shown to us, Kaguya should have High-Regenerationn or at least Mid-High. The reason being as stated and shown, Chakra connects the afterlife to the physical world and allows for travel between the two realms as Obito demonstrates.

What we know is that Souls when in the physical realm exist as Pure Chakra and when in the other realm, contain chakra as they are able to use jutsu in the other realm still. With what is shown and stated, Kaguya shoud at least be able to manefest herself from the Spiritual realm back into the physical realm using the same method as Obito and because as shown, Kaguya can recreate her own body from Chakra, she should be able to recreate her body directly from her soul.

Mind you, Obito came back from having his Body reduced to ash/dust. So this would justify at least Mid-High Regenerationn. About High Regen, that stems from Hags method. We don't know what happened to hags body upon death. All we know via his statement is that Indra, Ashura and Kurama's chakra coming into contact allowed him to manifest himself back into the world. That's by definition Low-Godly or at least Above High regen. That said, if Hags can comback without so much as a single particle of his being being used, it stands to reason a lower form, such as High-Regen should be available to Kaguya who is stated to be Hags superior by himself.

So all in all, going by Manga, Kaguya should have High-Regen but no less that Mid-High as her cap.

 

[Reppuzan]

Obito didn't come back from having his body reduced to ash/dust. He died because the Ash-Killing Bones. No dice.

Kaguya had trouble regenerating after Kakashi sliced her arm with his Kamui Raikiri and couldn't regenerate her horn after Sakura broke it.

In addition, it's immensely speculative to say that any Naruto character can regenerate from their soul when literally no one has done it before.

Hagoromo was still not alive and it's never explained how he suddenly reappeared while Naruto was on the verge of death.

Again, no dice.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I thought the Sage was just a spirit now and was just ƒæ╗ for the last 500 years or however long it's been since he passed?.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Kaguya had trouble regenerating after Kakashi sliced her arm with his Kamui Raikiri and couldn't regenerate her horn after Sakura broke it.

To be fair here, Kamui ignores durability which Kaguya isnt resistant to and we likely never saw her regenerate her horn from Sakura's punch because she literally got sealed seconds after that and couldnt do anything to stop it for obvious reasons. PIS could also be a factor since the whole fight is full of it.

But other than this, I agree with the other stuff you said. Especially on the part where ninjas can regenerate from their soul. Thats far too speculative to say the least.

 

[Blanked]

@Prof ignoring durabilty simple means that it's gonna cut trough without a problem but it ain't gonna ignore Regenerationn.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Kaguya having trouble regenerating from that is an inconsistency or PIS. Obito could easily regenerate from half of his body being vaporized and Madara from being cut in half, and their Regenerationn is inferior to Kaguya's. Seriously, I don't know why this was even mentioned. Something like this is pretty obviously an inconsistency or something similar.

Like Kukui, I agree with the other stuff.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Burning

We tend to rate characters based on how much of their body they're able to grow back from. Not how it was destroyed.

Hence why we rate Low-Mid as being able to recover entire limbs and most wounds short of decapitation, and High as being completely reduced to atoms.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I'm not sure what you're talking about, what I'm saying is that Kaguya having trouble regenerating her arm shouldn't be mentioned, as characters with inferior Regenerationn have blatantly superior feats.

Hmm, apologies if I gave you the wrong idea.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

How do we know they have inferior Regen? Off feats they have better Regenerationn then her and just because she's stronger does not mean here regenration is better.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Burning

If you regenerate from having half your torso vaporized, that's Low-Mid to Mid, not High. It doesn't matter how it was destroyed, but from how much was left before Regenerationn.

In addition, I don't see how Kaguya's reversion from her Tailed Beast form counts as regen. It's never implied in the narrative that she created a new body or regenerated from anything, she just separated herself from the Tailed Beast Chakra she was going to use for her ETSB.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

You guys can't ignore the fact Kaguya has shown recreating her entire body from chakra or that souls in Naruto exist as chakra on the physical plane.

@Repuzzan







^As you can clearly see, Obito manifested his spirit back into the physical wirld through his ash and it as such exists as Chakra (As do every single Naruto spirit in the world of the living).





^As you can clearly see, Kaguya reforms her body from PURE CHAKRA.

>Speculative?

>Shows character doing it.


As for her not regenerating, dhe never had time to.

• Naruto Cut off her arm > Sasuke Attacks her right after > Naruto attacks her right after > Kaguya becomes unstable from Naruto's attack and involuntarily transforms.

• Kakashi cut her with Kamui Raikiri > Naruto and Sasuke immediately go for the seal > Sakura Punches her back down so she can be sealed.

Unlike Naruto, Madara and Obito, Kaguya never had a chance to regenerate nor did she ever have the opportunity to focus on regenerating.


Kaguya is the only one shown to reform her body through pure chakra which souls exist as on Naruto's physical plane.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

How do we know they have inferior Regen? Off feats they have better Regenerationn then her and just because she's stronger does not mean here regenration is better.

Good question, back when Kaguya had Mid-High Regenerationn, I always thought Madara should have scaled to her since they have the exact same amount of tailed beasts in them. The tailed beasts sealed in Obito aren't up to the amount Madara sealed into himself. So, Obito has inferior Regenerationn to them. Hagoromo should have the best Regenerationn since he sealed the complete Juubi into himself.

@Reppuzan

Nice, I've always thought Obito's feat was possibly Mid. Though, once again I have no idea where all these stuff are coming from. I never said or implied Obito has High Regenerationn, I said regenerating from half of his body being vaporized is blatantly superior to regenerating an arm, so Kaguya's difficulty in regenerating an arm shouldn't be brought up or mentioned at all since it's an obvious inconsistency or PIS. Except someone wants to mention that Obito and Madara have superior Regenerationn, in which case I'm done here.

Dunno, but she regenerated her arm after reforming. Also, this is the thread where her Regenerationn was decided upo. You were there, so you should probably reread it.

Also, I've heard regenerating your body from energy is atomic/sub atomic level Regenerationn. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that?

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

More proof that Souls Exist as Chakra on the physical plane:

 

[Reppuzan]

@Barry

You're taking things out of context.

Obito was not regenerating. He was still dead. He was simply contacting Kakashi from the other side based on a visual. Being dead = not Regenerationn. This line of reasoning is void. By this logic, every Force user in Star Wars has regen, and so does every ghost ever.

That event is not described as Regenerationn, or reforming, or reconstitution, or any other synonym of the word. In addition, Black Zetsu describes it as the Tailed Beasts finally calming down inside of her rather than creating a new body. Thus she's simply able to return back to her old body after finally subjugating the chakra inside of her.

Still against it.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

A quick reminder, just because you reform your self from pure Energy doesn't necessarily mean it's Regenerationn. You could be a non corpreal being that has the power to create new bodies aka Avatars after the last one was destroyed.

Not saying Regenerationn is out of the question but I just wanted to remind people that it could be something else.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

@Reppuzan


I'm not saying Obito regenerated i'm saying and showing you how despite being turned into ash by the ash bone, he was still able to manifest his spirit in the world.

I'm showing that that spirits exist as pure chakra in the physical world and i'm showing that Kaguya reformed her body from pure chakra.

How are you against that? It's what's shown. And it doesn't have to be stated to be shown. Kaguya is shown transforming into pure chakra and reforming her body. Is that not what you see?

 

[Reppuzan]

@Barry

Manifesting one's spirit is not Regenerationn by any stretch of the imagination. You cannot regenerate if you're dead. By this logic, every Force user in Star Wars has regen, and so does every ghost ever.

Nothing in the text indicates that she was regenerating or reforming her body in any way. In addition, it was simply a reversion from her Tailed Beast form. To regenerate from pure chakra, she would have to be broken down into pure chakra first. This was not the case since she mutated into that form, and thus we can only count it as a reversion and not Regenerationn.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

@LordGriffin

Her arm came back after she reformed herself or whatever. She was unable to maintain her physical form for that moment (again, whatever that means) before she reformed herself and after the process was done, her arm came back.

I still think what FinalBattle said in the thread I linked makes sense and I agree with it.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I know her arm came back but if she made a new body she will obviously get a new arm because it's a new body, I was just bringing the non corpreal/Avatar argument up because what she did could be seen this way as well.

Im not saying this is what she actually did but I was just pointing out that it can be seen as such as well as her just regenerating. But I don't want to break this thread off discussing different abilities, this is about Regenerationn.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I was told that being non-corporeal is reserved for characters that permanently stay in an intangible form like it's their natural state of being.

Also, just a quick question as I don't want to derail this also. Do you think Naruto characters can interact with non-corporeal characters? Because we know the tailed beasts can exist in a state of pure chakra and the Juubi is described as 'natural energy itself. The same that circulates around this world, that you feel in the soil, water... and the air.' They can harm/interact with the Juubi and the other tailed beasts.

 

[MostPowerfull]

Kaguya has easily Mid-High in Regenerationn. She was able to regenerate herself from Chackra, once again stable. The proof that she REALLY regenerated was that she regenerated her whole body and even her clothes / robe, after redoing her whole body from the chakra.

Even Hidan was able to stay alive after being beheaded, and Madara is undeniably the owner of a higher immortality, since he too can regenerate and yet has a Regenerationn described as Low-Mid, which is below Mid (meaning Basically be able to regenerate through decapitation). I wonder ... If Hidan was able to stay alive after beheading, why could not Madara? Is being Low-Mid not made implicit that he dies by beheading?

On the soul being made of Chackra ... Barry probably meant that since Kaguya can regenerate from Chackra and if Obito can leave the Pure World using Kamui, she could as well, since he owns the Hirasaka. And unlike Obito, she is able to regenerate herself from her chakra. If Obito could regain his form with chakra to possess Kakashi, why could not Kaguya convert his chakra into a new body? I think that's what Barry meant.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

You cannot compare to different Immortalities, just because Hidan survived dicaptaion doesn't mean Madara can peirod. Unless madra has shown to regenerate from decapitation you can't assume he can just because Hidan did.

 

[MostPowerfull]

Madara is said to have a "complete immortality" ... This is implicitly above any shown up to that point in the work. But that does not really matter ... The fact is, that leaving Madara as Low-Mid in regen, is implicitly saying that he would die if his head were plucked out.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Just cause it says Complete Immortality means nothing as he lacks feats and unless Madara has shown the ability to survive decapitation he shouldn't scale to that level unless someone like Obito did it.

 

[MostPowerfull]

As I said, not that I really care, because that's not even being challenged here. But to leave Madara as fit to be killed by beheading is an extremely out-of-reality thing; if we are to take it for lack of feats, statements should not be considered in any hypothesis, and this is not the case.

But I understand your point ... I will not detract this thread.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Also, just a quick question as I don't want to derail this also. Do you think Naruto characters can interact with non-corporeal characters? Because we know the tailed beasts can exist in a state of pure chakra and the Juubi is described as 'natural energy itself. The same that circulates around this world, that you feel in the soil, water... and the air.' They can harm/interact with the Juubi and the other tailed beasts.

Well I know they can harm Biju in their physical form but I don't know if the can interact with their pure chakra forms... Maybe tho but you might need Sage Mode which uses natural energy but I'm not sure.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

The Juubi was described that way on the battleground. Kurama said it was impossible for it to be sensed by normal means and then he explained to Naruto what I quoted. Sage Mode isn't needed as Obito and Madara could stand on it like it was something physical, Base/BM Naruto and Sasuke's Amaterasu (when he didn't have Jugo's senjutsu) harmed it and the combined jutsu of the Allied Shinobi Forces temporarily held it down. It might be something cool for them.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Well the Ten Tails is physical at that point so I don't see why they can't touch it. Plus, Being unable to sense it normally doesn't mean you can't touch it just that you can't sense it.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

This is what Kurama said.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Hmm, anyway let's stop the derailing.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

"On the soul being made of Chackra ... Barry probably meant that since Kaguya can regenerate from Chackra and if Obito can leave the Pure World using Kamui, she could as well, since she owns the Hirasaka. And unlike Obito, she is able to regenerate herself from her chakra. If Obito could regain his form with chakra to possess Kakashi, why could not Kaguya convert her chakra into a new body? I think that's what Barry meant." - MostPowerfull


^This. Why is it that this is soooo hard to understand, especially when it's in your face smack dab on the panels...

 

[Reppuzan]

Making the text enormous isn't going to make your point stronger and in fact is just annoying me and is making me liable to close this thread.

Obito did not regenerate. He sent his spirit back with Kamui to possess Kakashi. But that is not Regenerationn. That much isn't hard to understand.

By this logic, anyone who can survive as a spirit or leave the afterlife has Regenerationn when it doesn't make sense since Regenerationn doesn't work when you're officially dead.

You're making a huge logical leap by saying, "Since the still dead Obito can temporarily come back from the afterlife, Kaguya can regenerate from Chakra."

 

[LordGriffin1000]

@Barry so you believe Kaguya regenerated from he pure Chakra Form... That would be Low-Godly Regenerationn.

@Repp and you believe she controlled herself and reformed back into her normal body?

I'm just trying to clearly understand both sides right now.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

@Reppuzan

For starters, I didn't intentionally make my text larger, I'm on my phone right now. I copied and pasted his statement and it appeared larger. Not my fault, so, there's that...

Second, again, I believe you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.


First: Obito stated and shows that chakra connects the afterlife with the living world and returns his soul to the world via Kamui through his ashes.

Second: I'm not saying Obito regenerated. I'm saying, he manifested his soul in the living realm and as shown in every instance, Souls in Naruto while in the living realm, exist as chakra entities as shown by Hags, Previous Kages, Edo Tensei's returning to the afterlife, etc.

Third: What I'm saying is that even though Obito's body was reduced to Ash/Dust, he was able to manifest his soul in the world through it and as such, because he did so with Kamui, Kaguya should be able to Manifest her soul back into the world with her S/T technique even if she was turned to Ash/Dust.

Fourth: Thus, as souls exist in the world of the living as pure chakra, Kaguya should be able to recreate her physical body from her soul which would exist as chakra being as she is shown reforming her body from pure chakra already.


In regards to Hags, as I stated, we don't know what happened to his body upon death but via his own statement was able to manifest himself into the living world when Indra, Ashura and Kurama's chakra came into contact with each other. If this was regen, it'd be above High, but being as he was able to manifest his soul through such a method without any part of his being being present, it stands to reason that Kaguya, who he states is his superior, should be able to manifest herself into the world even if a single particle remained and thus regenerate her body from her soul which again would exist as chakra in the living world.

 

[Golden_Void]

When Kaguya needs to undergo an entire transformation just to heal her arm, whereas Madara gets craters of his body blown apart and he regenerates in seconds.

Which also makes the fact that he was running around with half a body weird.


But I mean if you wanna use the transforming into an amalgam of all the tailed beasts feat as a regen feat well, I'm not sure if it counts as regen. It's just a transformation into an unstable form of chakra. Even if she should "technically" be above Madara, she's never regenerated from a single piece of damage in her humanoid form. The cut from Kakashi's raikiri was still there, she never grew her arm back without transforming, and her arm was still on the ground after she was defeated.


Also Madara > Hidan in terms of immortality is baseless. We've seen Hidan decapitated and body destroyed, and Madara said Guy almost killed him by blowing his torso to kingdom come, which he regenerated from. Hidan doesn't have regen.

 

[Joseph619]

Was Kaguya vaporized entirely? The answer is no and she's not getting Mid-High. Shapeshifting from chakra is NOT Regenerationn

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Actually coming back as a spirit is regen. There's a thread on this where this was asked and it was confirmed regen. I have the thread saved irrc but i have to find it.

 

[Joseph619]

We can ask Gwynbleidd to comment here.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

He's on vacation and won't be back until August

 

[Reppuzan]

@Professor

Coming back as a spirit when you've officially died is a form of resurrection, not regen.

By definition, Regenerationn can only be done by something that is alive and functional. If you're dead, it doesn't function, or else it wouldn't be Regenerationn.