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Kaguya spacetime removal

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Hello, as you know, kaguya has spacetime manipulation for being able to create spacetimes, but this is wrong for a couple of reasons.

Translations
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Right here, the correct translation is: "It is possible to do it. The spaces in which movement is possible are lava, ice, hypergravity, sand, and acid, and these five spaces are directly connected to the starting ball space. When activated, a large amount of chakra is consumed, so it is a visual jutsu that only she, who possesses tremendous power, can perform." So these are not time spaces, they are just spherical ball spaces. Even kaguya and zetsu say they are spaces.


Obito
Now onto obito, obito does indeed call it a spacetime, but there's context to this, when looking at the context of the original Japanese kanji, he says "its kind of like a spacetime isn't it?" And he makes this comparison because of how kaguya moves between her spaces, because its similar to how obito does it, but not really, so this means this is only to obito's own knowledge of the dimension, and only making this comparison as to how they access it, but we get reaffirmed in the data book that that is actually not the case, and by zetsu and kaguya. It's merely a hypothesis by obito. Because we know portals are literally meant to transport you to different locations of in spacetime, and when obito says spacetime, hes just talking about kaguya using spacetime ninjutsu, and later actually calls it a space.

Creating dimensions as she pleases
Now im pretty sure we are all aware of the famous quote from the scan i posted above, "Creating dimensions as she pleases" but this is just another mistranslation. The actual translations refers to kaguya weaving, or spinning space, assuming some sort of spatial manipulation. 開眼し始祖の神通力!!! 自由無碍に空間を紡ぐ: "The divine power of the founder who opened the eyes! Spinning space freely and unimpeded". This is in reference to her teleporting ability, amenimonaka. Because she can herself, and people close to her between any of her 6 spaces instantly. So this requires spatial manipulation, because that is what teleporting is. And while yes, spatial manip can be in reference to different things, the entire page elaborates on the teleportation aspect. And while yes, weave/spin can mean create, in context, its obvious that this is used in a symbolic/figurative sense to convey how she manipulates space to teleport.

Conclusion
Now for the downgrades, creation and the space-time manipulation should be removed, as her spaces are just the planets themselves which is actually referenced in the data book, and they are not actually spacetimes.
 
They are still “Time-spaces” , Even Adult Sasuke and Momoshiki/Kinshiki call it such , Someone said the Correct Translations are she was going to Nuke Just the “Space’’.( also how can just “Planets” contain a Star)

So no Hard Disagree.
 
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Oh so the space-time manip Kaguya has isn't for TSOs, TSO space-time manip got downgraded to just spatial manip, but she has space-time manip via other abilities.
 
They are still “Time-spaces” , Even Adult Sasuke and Momoshiki/Kinshiki call it such , Someone said the Correct Translations are she was going to Nuke Just the “Space’’.( also how can just “Planets” contain a Star)

So no Hard Disagree.
Her spaces are elaborated to just be the planets themselves displaced across the universe, so the star and the moons we see are not apart of it, they are never actually referenced as they're own separate spacetime.
 
Oh so the space-time manip Kaguya has isn't for TSOs, TSO space-time manip got downgraded to just spatial manip, but she has space-time manip via other abilities.
Oh so it was alr decided that she did NOT create her dimensions? So does she have spacetime manip via her portal ability?
 
They are still “Time-spaces” , Even Adult Sasuke and Momoshiki/Kinshiki call it such , Someone said the Correct Translations are she was going to Nuke Just the “Space’’.( also how can just “Planets” contain a Star)

So no Hard Disagree.
there is probably context to it, and the translations tend to be off.
 
Her spaces are elaborated to just be the planets themselves displaced across the universe, so the star and the moons we see are not apart of it, they are never actually referenced as they're own separate spacetime.
I don’t remember them ever being referred to as planets though , also to spin also means “create”.
 
Storm 4 profiles are ass and idc about Storm 4 profiles, this thread isn't addressing Storm 4 profiles from what I've seen
well the point was just to make clear that her spaces are not spacetimes, and the spaces are only elaborated to be the sand, ice, gravity, lava, and acid planets
 
I don’t remember them ever being referred to as planets though , also to spin also means “create”.
In the literal sense maybe, but spin/weave space refers to her amenominka ability to shift between spaces with others, its a symbolic/metaphorical way of saying she manipulates space.
 
In the literal sense maybe, but spin/weave space refers to her amenominka ability to shift between spaces with others, its a symbolic/metaphorical way of saying she manipulates space.
Yea which where her other version of Space-time Manip comes from , Her Spaces are still Space-time , and iirc she can fuse with them and attack.
 
Yea which her other version of Space-time Manip comes from , Her Spaces are still Space-time , and iirc she can fuse with them and attack.
Her spaces are not different spacetimes, they are just spaces, the space in context being the planets, or the spatial coordinates in which her planets are held in in the universe. It is elaborated on in the data book, that the spaces she can move to are the planets themselves.
 
She gets space time Manip from 2 ways
1. Via ETSB which was downgraded to spatial manip
2. via Being able to fuse with her Space-time and attack or manipulate it.
she literally only fuses with the nature of the planets, like the ice dimension, she can merge with it to attack naruto, she isn't fusing with a spacetime.
 
Her spaces are not different spacetimes, they are just spaces, the space in context being the planets, or the spatial coordinates in which her planets are held in in the universe. It is elaborated on in the data book, that the spaces she can move to are the planets themselves.
Through out Boruto, Sasuke/Momoshiki reference them as “Time-spaces” too which is a more recent canon.
 
Her spaces are elaborated to just be the planets themselves displaced across the universe, so the star and the moons we see are not apart of it, they are never actually referenced as they're own separate spacetime.
This doesn't even make sense, the dimensions of otsutsuki are a separate space from the normal universe, since one cannot get there if not by space-time ninjutsu.
 
This doesn't even make sense, the dimensions of otsutsuki are a separate space from the normal universal, since one cannot get there if not by space-time ninjutsu.
They can't get there because it is super far away, thats why they need portals to go in between kaguya's. That is the whole point of portals.
 
They can't get there because it is super far away, thats why they need portals to go in between kaguya's. That is the whole point of portals.
Nah watch the Naruto vs Jigen fight , when he teleports him , he explains it , it’s a different dimension entirely.
 
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