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So I would first like to start off by saying I'm proud to be a new member of this wiki and that this is my first CRT, so if I don't do things the way people normally do it here on the wiki when it comes to this types of threads, please forgive me as I'm brand new. Now, with that being said let's get into this:
I am not the the one who actually did this CRT and wrote the text above or below, it was another (smaller) mrk who couldn't post this idk why, now let's start for real (as a warning, the formatting is bad because of technical problems, damn he couldn't even post this so we had lots of technical problems):
Current ratings:
So as the current justifications stand, Kaguya's ETSB is rated as Large Star level with Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball (Kaguya's dimensions contain Stars and Planets and her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball is capable of destroying and re-creating them). Now that we see what her rating for the ETSB is I will now be getting into why this was accepted:
Why this was accepted:
"Kaguya's dimensions contain Stars and Planets and her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball is capable of destroying and re-creating them" Yeah no. this justification is bad for a number of reasons. Starting off, https://media.discordapp.net/attach...c45a8302cf1339e2_hq.png?width=1017&height=572 as shown in the scan we know her ETSB maximized can destroy her root space dimension. In this dimensional space we see no visual celestial bodies or star's we just see a greenish sky https://media.discordapp.net/attach...y_rbm_kyuubi-dafzjw5.png?width=858&height=572 . As for her lava dimension, https://media.discordapp.net/attach...88632862/7cc0fceaa2f0331e19dce72f83c71c40.png it's the same thing, there are no celestial bodies or any star's shown in this dimensional space, lets move on to her other realms. As for her ice dimension we see https://media.discordapp.net/attach...-screenshot20286429.png?width=1083&height=609 1 star and a visible moon. In her sand dimension we see https://media.discordapp.net/attach...ain-qimg-23b585f1a201c0e4cbb151bcefbc2a11.png one visible star and a visible moon. Lastly we will be going to her gravity dimension. In this dimensional space we see no celestial bodies or stars https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.xJGQGzLicvKsDyZmOQ4aRAHaEL?pid=ImgDet&rs=1. Now you might be thinking, ok how does this debunk her current ratings? Simple we know ETSB was going to destroy her root space. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...b6r1-1066-1600v2_uhq.png?width=406&height=609 The problem I'm having is her ETSB has only been shown to destroy her root dimension which is a higher degree of being planetary at max for being able to house a moon inside of it. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...RUgthoxbW7jFEhTqMLv8.png?width=362&height=572 As you can already tell at this point, her being rated as Large Star level via the ETSB being able to destroy and recreate her dimensional spaces isnt supported at all as it has only shown to be able to destroy her root space. Even in in the databook it stated that it was maximized if you look at the top. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...abfcae900625b17668ac2fc45a8302cf1339e2_hq.png Meaning it wouldn't make any sense for her ETSB to be able to destroy her other dimensional spaces if only when maximized its capable of destroying a planetary plus sized space
Counter-Arguments:
Now I'll be getting into potential arguments. First argument: Why does this matter? didn't it state that kaguya created her dimensions as she pleased? https://media.discordapp.net/attach...bfa1ff4508dad2091779.png?width=788&height=609 counter argument: This is exactly a mistranslation as I will explain shortly. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...0315371b2c026e18c92d.png?width=821&height=609 as you can tell this is the raw databook. Looking into the databook scan it says, 跳躍する meaning :Jumps/leaps between worlds which comes from jisho.com https://jisho.org/search/跳躍する This means that kaguya doesn't actually have anything to suggest that she created her dimensional spaces. Second argument: Kaguya clearly created these time spaces as she refers to them as her time spaces which means they would scale to her statistics. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...77927680020/0684-004.png?width=406&height=609 Counter argument: Really even shouldn't have to address this but ill do it anyways. Having ownership of something/=/creating something and holding ownership of it. What I'm trying to get at is that her stating that these are her time spaces doesn't mean she created them. This is known as the ambiguity fallacy. What's being asserted here is that since she has ownership of them it must have meant that she would have to have created them right? Wrong. For example, if I buy a silver plate from Walmart, I am now the owner of that plate, but just because I am the owner of said plate doesn't mean I created said plate. Especially since the definition of possession is the state of having, owning, or controlling something. Third argument: Yeah that's good and all but wasn't Kaguya able to merge with her spaces which would mean that she would have some sort of control over them proceeding to the claim that its possible that they belong to her and thus she created it? https://media.discordapp.net/attach...10974644265/0683-012.png?width=406&height=609 This is also a bad interpretation as merging with something doesn't mean that she created it or that she can completely control the entire spatial dimension. This is even further backed up by the fact that kabuto, another user who can use nature energy can do something similar via the ryuchi cave https://media.discordapp.net/attach...44488028250/0579-012.png?width=406&height=609 and with this cave, he's capable of manipulating the nature inside of the cave itself similar to how kaguya is able to control the terrain in the dimensional spaces she fights in. This is even more apparent when u realize that Ōtsutsuki's go from planet to planet planting and harvesting chakra fruit trees https://media.discordapp.net/attach...59847495742/0045-021.png?width=417&height=609 https://media.discordapp.net/attach...95549399060/0045-022.png?width=400&height=585 https://media.discordapp.net/attach...37429512303/0045-023.png?width=400&height=585
https://media.discordapp.net/attach...78403684412/0045-026.png?width=417&height=609
https://media.discordapp.net/attach...02510088232/0045-027.png?width=417&height=609
and if you still aren't convinced, kaguya can't even control the gravity in the gravity dimension to stop herself from being affected by her own gravity. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...46070788156/0686-014.png?width=406&height=609 to where she literally has her aim affected and she has to adjust so she wont miss again. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...96969838642/0686-015.png?width=406&height=609 The point is, someone who is capable of creating her time spaces but cant control her own gravity in her quote on quote time space, doesn't make any sort of sense and would mean she doesn't even scale to her own gravity. So using occams razor, the more likely scenario is that she found this planet and decided to use it as her own. Fourth argument: kaguya doesn't need shinobi chakra as they don't even make up a good portion of her chakra. Counter argument: While its true, the ninja world don't make up a large amount of her chakra, this doesnt dispute my claims about her needing shinobi chakra to get the feat done. This would just be another case of what is known as a non-linear multiplier. This wouldn't matter anyways as the wiki doesn't treat kaguya relative to her own ETSB. At this point I think I've cleared enough counter arguments for people to understand my point and to understand my view. Lastly I want to cover is that, even if u want to say kaguya created her realms via her own statistics she still wouldn't scale as we don't even have a timeframe for how long it took her to create said dimensions meaning she wouldn't even scale to it statistically speaking.
I am not the the one who actually did this CRT and wrote the text above or below, it was another (smaller) mrk who couldn't post this idk why, now let's start for real (as a warning, the formatting is bad because of technical problems, damn he couldn't even post this so we had lots of technical problems):
Current ratings:
So as the current justifications stand, Kaguya's ETSB is rated as Large Star level with Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball (Kaguya's dimensions contain Stars and Planets and her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball is capable of destroying and re-creating them). Now that we see what her rating for the ETSB is I will now be getting into why this was accepted:
Why this was accepted:
"Kaguya's dimensions contain Stars and Planets and her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball is capable of destroying and re-creating them" Yeah no. this justification is bad for a number of reasons. Starting off, https://media.discordapp.net/attach...c45a8302cf1339e2_hq.png?width=1017&height=572 as shown in the scan we know her ETSB maximized can destroy her root space dimension. In this dimensional space we see no visual celestial bodies or star's we just see a greenish sky https://media.discordapp.net/attach...y_rbm_kyuubi-dafzjw5.png?width=858&height=572 . As for her lava dimension, https://media.discordapp.net/attach...88632862/7cc0fceaa2f0331e19dce72f83c71c40.png it's the same thing, there are no celestial bodies or any star's shown in this dimensional space, lets move on to her other realms. As for her ice dimension we see https://media.discordapp.net/attach...-screenshot20286429.png?width=1083&height=609 1 star and a visible moon. In her sand dimension we see https://media.discordapp.net/attach...ain-qimg-23b585f1a201c0e4cbb151bcefbc2a11.png one visible star and a visible moon. Lastly we will be going to her gravity dimension. In this dimensional space we see no celestial bodies or stars https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.xJGQGzLicvKsDyZmOQ4aRAHaEL?pid=ImgDet&rs=1. Now you might be thinking, ok how does this debunk her current ratings? Simple we know ETSB was going to destroy her root space. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...b6r1-1066-1600v2_uhq.png?width=406&height=609 The problem I'm having is her ETSB has only been shown to destroy her root dimension which is a higher degree of being planetary at max for being able to house a moon inside of it. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...RUgthoxbW7jFEhTqMLv8.png?width=362&height=572 As you can already tell at this point, her being rated as Large Star level via the ETSB being able to destroy and recreate her dimensional spaces isnt supported at all as it has only shown to be able to destroy her root space. Even in in the databook it stated that it was maximized if you look at the top. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...abfcae900625b17668ac2fc45a8302cf1339e2_hq.png Meaning it wouldn't make any sense for her ETSB to be able to destroy her other dimensional spaces if only when maximized its capable of destroying a planetary plus sized space
Counter-Arguments:
Now I'll be getting into potential arguments. First argument: Why does this matter? didn't it state that kaguya created her dimensions as she pleased? https://media.discordapp.net/attach...bfa1ff4508dad2091779.png?width=788&height=609 counter argument: This is exactly a mistranslation as I will explain shortly. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...0315371b2c026e18c92d.png?width=821&height=609 as you can tell this is the raw databook. Looking into the databook scan it says, 跳躍する meaning :Jumps/leaps between worlds which comes from jisho.com https://jisho.org/search/跳躍する This means that kaguya doesn't actually have anything to suggest that she created her dimensional spaces. Second argument: Kaguya clearly created these time spaces as she refers to them as her time spaces which means they would scale to her statistics. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...77927680020/0684-004.png?width=406&height=609 Counter argument: Really even shouldn't have to address this but ill do it anyways. Having ownership of something/=/creating something and holding ownership of it. What I'm trying to get at is that her stating that these are her time spaces doesn't mean she created them. This is known as the ambiguity fallacy. What's being asserted here is that since she has ownership of them it must have meant that she would have to have created them right? Wrong. For example, if I buy a silver plate from Walmart, I am now the owner of that plate, but just because I am the owner of said plate doesn't mean I created said plate. Especially since the definition of possession is the state of having, owning, or controlling something. Third argument: Yeah that's good and all but wasn't Kaguya able to merge with her spaces which would mean that she would have some sort of control over them proceeding to the claim that its possible that they belong to her and thus she created it? https://media.discordapp.net/attach...10974644265/0683-012.png?width=406&height=609 This is also a bad interpretation as merging with something doesn't mean that she created it or that she can completely control the entire spatial dimension. This is even further backed up by the fact that kabuto, another user who can use nature energy can do something similar via the ryuchi cave https://media.discordapp.net/attach...44488028250/0579-012.png?width=406&height=609 and with this cave, he's capable of manipulating the nature inside of the cave itself similar to how kaguya is able to control the terrain in the dimensional spaces she fights in. This is even more apparent when u realize that Ōtsutsuki's go from planet to planet planting and harvesting chakra fruit trees https://media.discordapp.net/attach...59847495742/0045-021.png?width=417&height=609 https://media.discordapp.net/attach...95549399060/0045-022.png?width=400&height=585 https://media.discordapp.net/attach...37429512303/0045-023.png?width=400&height=585
https://media.discordapp.net/attach...78403684412/0045-026.png?width=417&height=609
https://media.discordapp.net/attach...02510088232/0045-027.png?width=417&height=609
and if you still aren't convinced, kaguya can't even control the gravity in the gravity dimension to stop herself from being affected by her own gravity. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...46070788156/0686-014.png?width=406&height=609 to where she literally has her aim affected and she has to adjust so she wont miss again. https://media.discordapp.net/attach...96969838642/0686-015.png?width=406&height=609 The point is, someone who is capable of creating her time spaces but cant control her own gravity in her quote on quote time space, doesn't make any sort of sense and would mean she doesn't even scale to her own gravity. So using occams razor, the more likely scenario is that she found this planet and decided to use it as her own. Fourth argument: kaguya doesn't need shinobi chakra as they don't even make up a good portion of her chakra. Counter argument: While its true, the ninja world don't make up a large amount of her chakra, this doesnt dispute my claims about her needing shinobi chakra to get the feat done. This would just be another case of what is known as a non-linear multiplier. This wouldn't matter anyways as the wiki doesn't treat kaguya relative to her own ETSB. At this point I think I've cleared enough counter arguments for people to understand my point and to understand my view. Lastly I want to cover is that, even if u want to say kaguya created her realms via her own statistics she still wouldn't scale as we don't even have a timeframe for how long it took her to create said dimensions meaning she wouldn't even scale to it statistically speaking.