Kaguya and ETSB

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

From that -> Mid-High -> Low-Mid.

Waiting for another downgrade.

 

[Omimi]

lower then Low-Mid wont happen Lol

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Also,she has some resistance to matter manipulation so i think she doesnt need that much dura to tank it.

Theres a difference between tanking what caused the attack and the attacks effects itself. For example, just because you tank a Low 2-C's energy attack doesnt mean you can suddenly survive its destruction of space-time.

Kaguya is resistant to the matter hax of the TSB itself, but that wont mean she resists the space-time destructing effect it makes when used as an attack, otherwise we'd be shooting for her to also have resistance to space-time hax.

 

[Omimi]

i want to know

if it was not oulier then her feats ( destruction of space-time) would be Low 2-C' Right

 

[Rocker1189]

Probably lol. I mean technically it is also not an outlier if it was Low 2-C because she would just regen if she had Low-Godly and also none of her physical attributes would scale just like it is now. Buw I know that would never happen. So might as well forget about it.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Wat? Isn't Low 2-C for universal stuff?

 

[Omimi]

also TSB = HAX =/= AP

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

..... i mean imo that seems like an outlier to me.

 

[Rocker1189]

Wat? Isn't Low 2-C for universal stuff?

Yeah, but according to Kep destroying her time-space would lead to Low 2-C levels of power because it is not just matter in the time-space involved now.

 

[Rocker1189]

..... i mean imo that seems like an outlier to me.

Unless it is just hax, then AP is not involved.

 

[Omimi]

here some tier 8/7/6 character has tier-2 via hax lol

 

[Rocker1189]

But not allowed for Naruto of course lol.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Cuz Tier 2 HST is not possible, like ever.

Otherwise, we would have 2-C Yhwach by now.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

With all due respect, I think Kep is kind of wrong about that.

I don't see how destroying space-time on a planetary scale suddenly means its anywhere close to even tier 3. Remember, the HTC from DB is a planetary space-time too, yet destroying that doesnt become anything but tier 5. This shouldnt be any different.

 

[Rocker1189]

Cuz Tier 2 HST is not possible, like ever.
Otherwise, we would have 2-C Yhwach by now.

I dont know if you are being serious with that. Just in case you are, that is a really stupid thing to say. Not to mention Yhwach has never actually been called anything close to universal. And if he really was, why would I care?

 

[Omimi]

Wat? Isn't Low 2-C for universal stuff?

kep said this

Except destroying multiple dimensions requires breaching the distance between them, which is infinitely above Tier 5. Since each one of Kaguya's dimensions are planet-sized space-times as per the databook and the manga, destroying them according to our Tiering System would be High 3-A, which is ridiculous.

The current calculation for Kaguya assumes she is destroying all the physical matter within her dimension and not the dimension itself, which is why she's 5-A.

Basically, you made the feat an outlier.

 

[Rocker1189]

With all due respect, I think Kep is kind of wrong about that.
I don't see how destroying space-time on a planetary scale suddenly means its anywhere close to even tier 3. Remember, the HTC from DB is a planetary space-time too, yet destroying that doesnt become anything but tier 5. This shouldnt be any different.

Even if it was, it would be via hax and not AP. Lets us say for a totally random example an MS allowed someone in the Naruto verse to wipe out a universe just like that. We dont instantly say outlier, because it is hax. Just like in any other verse.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Destroying a planet-sized space-time continuum is hax, not High 3-A. Hell even a whole galaxy isn't rated as High 3-A.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I think I agree with Kukui.

 

[Rocker1189]

Destroying a planet-sized space-time continuum is hax, not High 3-A. Hell even a whole galaxy isn't rated as High 3-A.

Exactly, so I dont know why we dont label it as hax give her low-godly regen and leave it as it is.

 

[Omimi]

well kep said destroying multiple planet-sized space-time continuum High 3-A

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I don't have a problem with Regen either, i was more iffy about it being her durability

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Many isn't High 3-A either. It's just like any other cases of pocket dimensions.

 

[Rocker1189]

This is what I propose:

Can destroy pocket dimensions via ETSB.

Power and Abilities: Regenerationn (Low-Godly)

Leaving the 5-A there of course.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

what would happen to her 5-A tier?

 

[Omimi]

so what lvl of Matter Manipulation needed to destroy space-time continuum

 

[Rocker1189]

Leave the 5-A

No level of Matter manipulation has you destroying time and space lol. It is just hax.

 

[ALRF]

Didn't read the whole thread. So may i ask the reasoning behind being able to destroy pocket dimensions?

 

[Rocker1189]

Because that is what she was going to do with her ETSB and it means that she also does not have an "outlier" in her tiering.

 

[ALRF]

What? If her pocket dimension is planetary, how can it be hax when it could be just her expanding her ETSB until it devours it wholly

 

[Rocker1189]

What? If her pocket dimension is planetary, how can it be hax when it could be just her expanding her ETSB until it devours it wholly

Because she was not just going to destroy matter in it she was going to end the time-space and recreate a new one as said in the manga. Which is supported by dimensionall travel not being enough to escape it.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Another thing I see wrong with Kep's reply:

"Except destroying multiple dimensions requires breaching the distance between them, which is infinitely above Tier 5."

Not only would this go under the assumption that Kaguya's dimensions are even whole universes, which has absolutely 0 basis and evidence for it, but how is this even a tiering feat? The distance wouldnt even be infinite also, otherwise Obito would have never been able to search through the dimensions to find Sasuke. The dimensions aren't infinitely apart.

Overall point, none of this changes Kaguyas AP from 5-A, and no one wants to as clarified here and the last thread.

 

[Omimi]

Saikou The Lewd King said Destroying a planet-sized space-time continuum is hax


then its not an outlier

 

[Rocker1189]

So who here agrees:

5-A via ETSB and can destroy pocket dimensions using it.

Power and Abilities: Regenerationn (Low-Godly)

 

[ALRF]

Do you have the original scan in japanese for this ?

 

[Omimi]

Not only would this go under the assumption that Kaguya's dimensions are even whole universes, which has absolutely 0 basis and evidence for it,

i have seen some verse got upgrade to universe


by this words along (red box )------------------------>

 

[Rocker1189]

If other verses got upgraded from something as simple as that, then they need a downgrade, badly. That is not nearly enough.

 

[ALRF]

Pretty sure they wouldn't have been accepted had it being for most likely proof that those alternate dimensions are universal. Don't think Naruto has ever shown such statments

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah no. "Alternate time-space" is just clarifying Kaguya's planetary space-times. It literally changes nothing. "Space-time" is not at all justification for it being a universe.

If we don't even accept the HTC as a universe for it being a space-time, then this definitely isnt getting accepted as a universe.

 

[Rocker1189]

I mean being a different time-space def means being a universe of its own, but not actually universe sized.