Julius Novachrono vs Satoru Gojo

[LordGinSama]

Strongest versions of both


Speed is equalized


No abilities are restricted.


Julius Novachrono:0

Satoru Gojo:0

 

[Epsilon_R]

As soon as Gojo gets trapped inside Julius' time ball, he's finished. He either leave Gojo in a time loop, frozen until he wins or simply age him to death

Voting Julius

 

[Limit-breaker9910]

Pretty sure julius would have to reach him first if he want to put him in the time ball

 

[Epsilon_R]

Pretty sure julius would have to reach him first if he want to put him in the time ball

He doesn't need to, thanks to Mana Zone.

 

[LordGinSama]

He doesn't need to, thanks to Mana Zone.

Which helps how? How does Mana Zone bypass the Infinity shield? Or his Domain Expansion.

 

[Epsilon_R]

I already know how infinity works but can you list all the things that can bypass it? Just to be sure

 

[LordGinSama]

Domain Expansions, attacks that can cross literally an infinite distance, and in verse that's about it. And even then Gojo has his own Domain Expansion where he can make the opponent feel and experience infinite knowledge and information.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Looking at his profile, he lost against Shisui via genjutsu. So I don't think it'll work on things that doesn't travel at all

 

[Dragoonseraphim]

Yeah with Mana Zone he can spawn the attack right on Gojo.

 

[LordGinSama]

Yeah with Mana Zone he can spawn the attack right on Gojo.

They don't cross a literal infinite distance, that would need feats of bypassing infinite range which as far as I'm aware he doesn't have.

 

[Epsilon_R]

It doesn't travel at all. I don't recall any instance of infinity working on something that doesn't travel

And I suppose that's not how it works since he lost to a genjutsu user


Yeah, I'm still voting for Julius

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Time Manipulation vs Infinity

 

[Epsilon_R]

Bump

 

[Dragopentling]

Looking at his profile, he lost against Shisui via genjutsu. So I don't think it'll work on things that doesn't travel at all

That match was removed, when I last checked, so yea, not sure if that helps at all.

 

[LordGinSama]

Unless Mana Zone attacks can cross a literal infinite 3-D distance then he isn't tagging Gojo.


The Genjutsu argument was wanked as the user doesn't just spawn chakra in their opponents mind. They need to inject chakra into the brain via eyesight or fingers, hence why Madara needed to moon to trap everyone in the IT because of the range the moon offers.



So unless Julius has infinite range with Mana Zone i don't see how he's tagging Gojo till he uses his Domain Expansions, at that point he'll lose Infinity but it'll be GG.

 

[Epsilon_R]

His time magic spawns at the opponent tho

 

[LordGinSama]

For that to happen it would still need to cross an infinite distance. Gojo's Infinity places an infinite 3-D Space between him and the opponent, to touch Gojo you need to either skip infinite 3-D distance which Mana Zone hasn't shown to be able to do or null it.


the spawning would still need to skip that distance to even interact properly with Gojo.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Can I ask where does it say that Gojo's infinity creates an infinite space?

Did it ever work on something that doesn't travel?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Gojo is never stated to create an infinite space, he outright admits it already exists, he just brings it out.

 

[LordGinSama]

It's in his profile.


And yes and no, Domain Expansion hit the user automatically but that's countered by Gojo's own Domain Expansion. A Domain Expansion is basically like Mana Zone but with a lot more hax to it, Power Nullification hax,

Gojo is never stated to create an infinite space, he outright admits it already exists, he just brings it out.

Point being that it's already there and is something Julius needs to bypass.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Regardless, voting incon. Julius dodges everything Gojo does with Precog, Gojo stands there and remains unaffected by anything.

 

[Dragoonseraphim]

If mana zone doesn’t bypass infinity (which I disagree with but whatever) I’ll vote incon.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Does Domain Expansion need to reach the opponent to put him inside of it?

 

[LordGinSama]

Does Domain Expansion need to reach the opponent to put him inside of it?

Domain Expansion affect the entire space of their surroundings.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Is that why Gojo can be put in it?

 

[LordGinSama]

Is that why Gojo can be put in it?

If the space where you reside in is being altered you'll be altered along with it. The space is altered and the user is brought into the domain.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Then why Julius' Mana Zone couldn't do the same thing?

 

[LordGinSama]

Because Mana Zone doesn't alter the space of the surrounding. A regular Domain Expansion can alter the space of their surroundings for dozens of kilometers, and Gojo can overwrite this with his own Domain Expansion.


even with Mana Zone Gojo can just Domain Expansion. Or better yet Hollow Purple from the start of the match.

 

[Dragoonseraphim]

So julius precogs domain expansion or purple and gets the hell outta dodge.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Mana Zone does alter space, otherwise Julius wouldn't have Spatial Manipulation

 

[Epsilon_R]

Even with Mana Zone Gojo can just Domain Expansion. Or better yet Hollow Purple from the start of the match.

He won't be able to when he is frozen in time.

 

[LordGinSama]

He won't be able to when he is frozen in time.

Which is irrelevant due to Infinity.


Also Mana Zone being spatial manipulation is wank, there's nothing spatial about it so I'll make a CRT about it soon. Mana Zone is manipulation of the surrounding Magic, Domain Expansions literally alter the entire space and whatever in that space and makes it their own.

 

[Dragoonseraphim]

I kinda agree I don’t think it’s really spatial manip but I think this match is going to be incon.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Julius would evade the Domain Expansion before it encloses him.

 

[LordGinSama]

Julius would evade the Domain Expansion before it encloses him.

Can I see Julius ever dodging something with several Kilometers of AoE that also alters the space around him? He wouldn't have anywhere to dodge if space itself is being completely altered into a separate territory.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Gojo is never stated to create an infinite space, he outright admits it already exists, he just brings it out.

If the infinite space is always there, why did he get hit by the rubber?

 

[Dragoonseraphim]

He precogs it then gets out of range before Gojo even starts DE

 

[Epsilon_R]

Can I see Julius ever dodging something with several Kilometers of AoE that also alters the space around him? He wouldn't have anywhere to dodge if space itself is being completely altered into a separate territory.

Teleportation exists

Can I see Gojo using Domain Expansion in a 4 kilometers radius instantly?

 

[LordGinSama]

He didn't get hit, literally look at the scan. Are you serious? The rubber never made actual contact with him, it bounced off his Infinity.

 

[Epsilon_R]

He didn't get hit, literally look at the scan. Are you serious? The rubber never made actual contact with him, it bounced off his Infinity.

He did, otherwise it wouldn't have bounced off.

We clearly see the pen being frozen while the rubber bounced off