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Actually, it seems like Mahito is implying Nanami hasn't recognized his soul, which why he's protecting his soul unconsciously rather than consciously. However, it's definitely not a ''byproduct''. It would make protecting your soul possible, but doesn't guarantee anything. Also want to add that someone being similar in skill is irrelevant to Nanami's feat, because, again, it's done subconsciously; he has no control over it.Nanami's resistance was also a byproduct of his acknowledgement of the soul
He's the only characters who's noted to do this, so yes, it actually is.has never been portrayed to be something exclusive to Nanami.
"First off, one must ackowledge one's soul. Without that, it's impossible".Actually, it seems like Mahito is implying Nanami hasn't recognized his soul, which why he's protecting his soul unconsciously rather than consciously. However, it's definitely not a ''byproduct''. It would make protecting your soul possible, but doesn't guarantee anything.
Subconscious behavior is absolutely something that involves prowess and skill, the behaviour that is completely automatic with no control is unconscious behavior which is discernibly different.Also want to add that someone being similar in skill is irrelevant to Nanami's feat, because, again, it's done subconsciously; he has no control over it.
If Soul Resistance was something completely unique to Nanami then Mahito wouldn't be referring to this instance when contemplating if his technique would work on other Sorcerers or not.He's the only characters who's noted to do this, so yes, it actually is.
Followed with a ''but'' as if it wasn't really a factor to what Nanami was doing. Fact remains that this wasn't simply a byproduct though."First off, one must ackowledge one's soul. Without that, it's impossible".
Sure you can argue it takes skill, but that's not the point. It's done without any awareness or control, so it's not scalable to others.Subconscious behavior is absolutely something that involves prowess and skill
Soul Resistance itself might not be unique, but the way he resisted it is. Also, it's natural for Mahito to considere these things in a fight. It doesn't mean much though.If Soul Resistance was something completely unique to Nanami then Mahito wouldn't be referring to this instance when contemplating if his technique would work on other Sorcerers or not.
If acknowledgement of the soul was a straight up non-factor then Mahito wouldn't have a statement as absolute as: "Without that, it's impossible" when discussing Nanami's survivial. Mahito really seems to reiterate the point further by pointing out how Nanami is in fact acknowledging his own soul at some level.Followed with a ''but'' as if it wasn't really a factor to what Nanami was doing. Fact remains that this wasn't simply a byproduct though.
Even if we want to say that Nanami's protection isn't something done with complete awareness, the end result doesn't change, as we do know that concepts such as skill levels and fighting prowess are in fact acknowledged within the verse, while also being proven to be scalable.Sure you can argue it takes skill, but that's not the point. It's done without any awareness or control, so it's not scalable to others.
And, again, this is literally followed up with a ''But it seems...'. Do I have to remind you of the definition of ''but''?If acknowledgement of the soul was a straight up non-factor then Mahito wouldn't have a statement as absolute as: "Without that, it's impossible" when discussing Nanami's survivial.
It does change because this is done without awareness and control. It's not the same as regular skill for which they all had to train etc. Do you genuinely not see the difference?Even if we want to say that Nanami's control isn't something done with complete awareness, the end result doesn't change, as we do know that concepts such as skill levels and fighting prowess are in fact acknowledged within the verse, while also being proven to be scalable.
Which again reiterates the point of Mahito pointing out how Nanami is in fact acknowledging his own soul at some level. The entire premise of Nanami not acknowledging his soul doesn't add up given that he outright stated his viewpoint regarding the body and soul mere moments before this.And, again, this is literally followed up with a ''But it seems...'. Do I have to remind you of the definition of ''but''?
And, again, Subconscious behavior does involve prowess and skill, which is something that can be improved upon and has verbatim been shown to be scalable, with the behaviour that has no control being unconscious behavior.It does change because this is done without awareness and control. It's not the same as regular skill for which they all had to train etc. Do you genuinely not see the difference?
It quite literally does not. ''But: used to introduce a phrase or clause contrasting with what has already been mentioned.''Which again reiterates the point of Mahito pointing out how Nanami is in fact acknowledging his own soul at some level. The entire premise of Nanami not acknowledging his soul doesn't add up given that he outright stated his viewpoint regarding the body and soul mere moments before this.
To improve it you need full awareness and control, which is absent in subconscious actions. Subconscious means a lack of awareness and control. You're arguing against its definition here..And, again, Subconscious behavior does involve prowess and skill, which is something that can be improved upon and has verbatim been shown to be scalable, with the behaviour that has no control being unconscious behavior.
Claiming one single definition to be correct is inherently fallacious. Especially since it doesn't even add up with the context of the prior sentence given that it would completely contradict the absolute nature of Mahito's original statement.It quite literally does not. ''But: used to introduce a phrase or clause contrasting with what has already been mentioned.''
There have been multiple characters throughout the franchise that have expressed their viewpoint regarding the nature of the body and soul, with Mahito himself even having his viewpoint contested. There's no established "right or wrong" regarding the true nature of the soul at this point. Saying that Nanami's viewpoint is inherently wrong is not only impossible to prove, but doesn't even go against the idea of Nanami's acknowledgement of the soul in the first place. Mahito's acknowledgement of the soul doesn't suddenly become obsolete if Kenjaku turns out to be correct 200 chapters later.His supposed viewpoint also supports this even further, since he's wrong about the soul's existence when asked about it...
According to what exactly? By all metrics, things such as fighting spirit and intuition do get improved despite not requiring full awareness. Even most IRL athlethes experience this. This entire premise is false.To improve it you need full awareness and control, which is absent in subconscious actions. Subconscious means a lack of awareness and control. You're arguing against its definition here..
It's literally said that Yuji's fighting sense scales above Maki's. This isn't an argument to support the idea of this type of stuff being scalable. It is just straight up being scaled towards eachother.Also, Yuji being stated to be greater and stronger than Maki does not make this type of stuff scalable. That's a horrible example to support your argument with.
Is there any other staff we can contact?Everything else looks fine I think.
I remember that @Damage3245 had read the manga. Maybe you can call himIs there any other staff we can contact?
Well, nobody's claiming that anyway. It is the most common definition, however, and is the most suitable in this context. ''It's impossible. But it seems...'' literally sets it up as a contrast.Claiming one single definition to be correct is inherently fallacious. Especially since it doesn't even add up with the context with of the prior sentence given that it would completely contradict the absolute nature of Mahito's original statement.
Mahito's obviously correct to some degree because he has the most control over his soul in the entire series. Besides, this'd make your point pretty redundant.There's no established "right or wrong" regarding the true nature of the soul
You can improve your intuition because 1. You already have intuitive capabilities and 2. You're aware they exist. You do not naturally have the capability to protect your soul, nor is Nanami aware that he's protecting his soul. It's not comparable at all.According to what exactly? By all metrics, things such as fighting spirit and intuition do get improved despite not requiring full awareness. Even most IRL athlethes experience this. This entire premise is false.
His fighting sense being greater than Maki's is such a small and simple scale. That's completely different from trying to scale Nanami subconsciously protecting his soul. It's such a strange comparison.It's literally said that Yuji's fighting sense scales above Maki's. This isn't an argument to support the idea of this type of stuff being scalable. It is just straight up being scaled towards eachother.
It can manifest this way, but this is not how they normally manifest so we shouldn't slap this uncommon ability on every Cursed Spirit.We have no other instances of this occuring in the series, so I think my argument has more basis than yours in this instance. With nothing else in the series to go off of to disprove or contradict this, it seems that we've been very clearly shown that the rebirth of cursed spirits can manifest in this way.
The question is: Do they keep their consciousness after death, or will their consciousness disappear and a new consciousness made from the same ingredients (fear/hatred of forests/volcanoes/sea/humans) get eventually created?None of those reincarnations are facilitated by an abstract shared among consciousness. Their essence is tied to human conceptualization of what they represent. Aka they have no true physical form.
I accept it as Void Manipulation that brings something non-existent (imaginary mass) into existence. The physics/math dialogue was about how it doesn't mathematically make sense to create imaginary mass through an addition process (Blue + Red). But there is no statement that it literally removes existent things from existence, nor is that something inherit about a theoretical imaginary mass.The Void stuff? That comes from the JjK interview discussing the physics of Gojo's CT.
The trees are the bits not being destroyed on the outskirts of the area of the attack.
Only the kinetic energy exists; nothing else to indicate destruction of the environment not related to the shockwave or purple traveling. Anything coming into contact with purple itself however was erased. Todo even states that there was no way to tell if the curse was exorcised or not, another indicator of erasure.
The black hole through walls appears to be phase through walls intangibility, which is exclusive to low-grade Curses. And if high-grade Curses are able to open portals whereever, this begs the question of why they didn't.One of the first time we see generic curses
The reason Jogo doesn't fear death is because he knows that his spiritual information will continue to move on, which is something we know happens especially when cursed energy is involved; Naoya coming back, Toji's body and spirit information being available to bring back copies, Panda's experience with his siblings departing to another realm to meet with Yaga, etc.The question is: Do they keep their consciousness after death, or will their consciousness disappear and a new consciousness made from the same ingredients (fear/hatred of forests/volcanoes/sea/humans) get eventually created?
The latter appear to be the case. Remember that both Yuki and Geto want a world without Cursed Spirit, but if the Cursed Energy of intelligent Cursed Spirits don't get destroyed and is bound to reform on its own (instead of Cursed Energy gathering from scratch, implying a new consciousness) then this is not really possible.
Not at all. The void formula has to do with making things null. Something that imaginary numbers are used for. Unreality mixing with reality results in a cancelling similar to matter interacting with anti-matter, hence why whatever is in purple's way is "voided" as a result. The person in the interview refers to Purple as "the void technique".I accept it as Void Manipulation that brings something non-existent (imaginary mass) into existence. The physics/math dialogue was about how it doesn't mathematically make sense to create imaginary mass through an addition process (Blue + Red). But there is no statement that it literally removes existent things from existence, nor is that something inherit about a theoretical imaginary mass.
If the outskirt fragments, the center might very well pulverize.
Hanami didn't get pulverized. And once again we saw no dust clouds or rubble either time Purple was used.Can refer to Hanami getting pulverized.
No, that wouldn't make one difference. He commented on the fact that everything in purple's range was completely erased, hence they couldn't even detect for cursed energy or residuals to confirm. Curses get erased all of the time, Nanami literally did so with a hand swing, so he clearly isn't just talking about level of destruction.Plus they were unable to confirm a hit due to the environmental damage,
False. Curses are often times immolated, exploded, erased by physical attacks, etc. Todo is implying that typically one would be able to confirm exorcism, as the case with Purple is clearly out of the norm, in addition to invisible nature of the attack and on screen "damage" we see, and the fact that there was no rubble as it carved through miles of ground (or a dust cloud) all point towards Todo indicating the special nature of the attack making it so that there was nothing left for them to analyze (he is under the assumption Hanami dies while Gojo is aware it got away).and a Cursed Spirit's corpse gets disintegrated quickly so they won't have time to search for confirmation.
It's not really a black hole.The black hole through walls appears to be phase through walls intangibility, which is exclusive to low-grade Curses. And if high-grade Curses are able to open portals whereever, this begs the question of why they didn't.
We clearly see in the pic I posted that the "surface" being transmuted by the curses also has depth to it with multiple demons spread out around it.
The portals allow passage, intangibility involves making oneself not interact with matter. So therefore, it would not be possible for them to take Nobara with them both times when kidnapping her as they'd have the be both solid (in order to grab her) while intangible, while also making Nobara herself intangible.
All of the Gojo stuff? Or the Void/Concept stuff only?I disagree with Incorporeality and neutral with Gojo's stuff
The rest is fine
I don't mind; gonna change it if that's the more agreed-upon description of the power.I think the obvious solution is to remove EE completely and just have Void Manip replace it
Would you be able to ask Ant to ask some more mods to check the thread out?I believe two or so more mods are needed to approve the thread before it can be applied
Yep it's good to go.I can do it, but is the OP up to date? That'll make it easier for any staff coming in to voice any problems if they have them
What do we currently accept domains as? Because this isn't exactly power null, but moreso pushing against domains, which is what... pocket realities? Can't remember, been a while since I read the manga, so correct me if I am wrong.
- Power Nullification - For users of domain amplification, it is compared directly to simple domain techniques and stated to nullify his limitless technique making him vulnerable to attacks. Granted to Jogo, Hanami, and Gojo.
Immortality type 7 would also work. But ye, sure
- Selective Incorporeality/Invulnerability/Intangability - High-grade cursed spirits such as Jogo, Hanami, Dagon (and presumably Mahito) will continue to exist in essence, even if in different forms. Furthermore, cursed spirits do not appear on video capturing devices and the sounds they produce are also imperceptible to humans. Cursed spirits can latch onto human hosts and cause physical strain without the human realize they are being affected by the curse or it displacing any objects in space, only being somewhat aware through the form of dreams. Even humans capable of seeing cursed spirits cannot injure or otherwise affect them without cursed energy. It is noted that only low grade spirits can selectively phase through solid matter.
What's the source of this?
- Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) - By manifesting the naturally occurring infinity into reality, Gojo can create an infinite space in which he controls the concepts of "near" and "far" effecting opponents, their energy, abilities, etc., to become incapable of making contact with Gojo due to said entities being unable to converge in the proper space. Applies to Gojo Satoru's limitless.
Three things; I am iffy on using this interview. Idk, what if it's faked or whatever? considering its only initials, how am I supposed to know its the author?
- Void Manipulation - By combining the polar opposite infinities of Red and Blue, Gojo is able to create Hollow Purple, an imaginary mass which he fires at his opponents to erase them from reality [1][2]. Such properties are given "void" [1] [2] characteristics and seen cleaving through anything it encompasses without any environmental impact that would denote a physical process. Applies to Gojo Satoru's Hollow Purple technique.
Why would every grade 1 sorcerer have this just because Nanami resisted it?
- Information Manipulation (Type 2) - Both the body and the soul are underlined by more fundamental information. Principal Yaga utilized these mechanics to create his cursed spirit dolls and birth the existence of Panda by copying soul information. Ogami is a cursed energy user who utilizes her technique to summon the "body information" of a desired target without also dragging over the soul/personality. Further bolstering this point is the fact that Ogami's target in the manga was able to retain his memories, skills, and personality strictly from their body information. Finally, Mahito utilizes this to manipulate soul information and thus can affect both the souls and bodies of his target. Mahito himself explains that human bodies are "controlled by these concepts" that interact with the human soul resulting in mechanical processes. Mahito can also configure his body and the bodies of his captives, altering the size and shape of his victims, and being able to completely change his biological composition to turn into differing life and inorganic matter. Grade 1 Sorcerors+ would also get Resistance to this via Nanami resisting Mahito's transfiguration attempt.
Sure, but why every curse?
- Curses should get portal creation [2]
Yeah currently, domains count as pocket realities.What do we currently accept domains as? Because this isn't exactly power null, but moreso pushing against domains, which is what... pocket realities? Can't remember, been a while since I read the manga, so correct me if I am wrong.
The source is the Shonen Jump Math Course, where Gege enlisted college physics professors to give explanations for some of the abilities in JJK (particularly Gojo).What's the source of this?
Also concept isn't meant to be taken a face value. That's basically spatial hax rather than actual conceptual.
The interview isn't faked. It was published in Shonen Jump as a supplement for the series.Three things; I am iffy on using this interview. Idk, what if it's faked or whatever? considering its only initials, how am I supposed to know its the author?
Secondly, even if that was true, this would be an extremely minor void manipulation
The "void" discussed is not Gojo summoning a void. He's erasing reality by having it interact with an imaginary mass that is not real. Thus anything in contact with the purple is "voided" hence the mathematical "void formula". This was also hinted at with Gojo stating his ability makes impossibilities happen such as natural negative numbers. So Void Manip with the function of converting to non-existence.Thirdly, I don't see anything about EE?
Nanami did so instinctively based on his mastery of cursed energy. It stands to reason other similarly skilled users would be capable of such which is further evidenced by Mahito being unable to one-shot Todo with the same technique.Why would every grade 1 sorcerer have this just because Nanami resisted it?
Even generic curses can do this as scene in the first chapter where they create a portal (that has depth) in order to attack Yuji's friends. So it seems an inherent ability of curses.Sure, but why every curse?
Awesome, and thank you. I appreciate your time. Also I am work now, and while most of the relevant scans are posted, feel free to reach out if you need additional scans.The ones I didn't comment on looks good to me.
Limited space time seem far more fitting with the scans and stuff instead of power null. .Yeah currently, domains count as pocket realities.
Three things, might wanna list the whole interview. Cause the ones you should don't really show much as to why it's concept Hax, when it comes off as nothing but spatial Hax.I disagree, in the full interview, they discuss him having control of the "strength" of certain convergent/divergent phases which allows him to manipulate the inherent scales of distance, and essentially the power over the math that rules the universe at < sub atomic scale. Combined with Gojo "bringing the naturally existing infinity into reality" the statement should qualify as Concept manip, particularly with the recent ontological knowledge of curses techniques being able to manipulate type 2 information and existing as something "between dream (abstract) and reality".
What about the translation?The interview isn't faked. It was published in Shonen Jump as a supplement for the series.
HmmmThe "void" discussed is not Gojo summoning a void. He's erasing reality by having it interact with an imaginary mass that is not real. Thus anything in contact with the purple is "voided" hence the mathematical "void formula". This was also hinted at with Gojo stating his ability makes impossibilities happen such as natural negative numbers. So Void Manip with the function of converting to non-existence.
I mean that seems like an extremely large leap instead of actually being based on in-canon reasoning.Nanami did so instinctively based on his mastery of cursed energy. It stands to reason other similarly skilled users would be capable of such which is further evidenced by Mahito being unable to one-shot Todo with the same technique.
Should probably add multiple images then.Even generic curses can do this as scene in the first chapter where they create a portal (that has depth) in order to attack Yuji's friends. So it seems an inherent ability of curses.
Awesome, and thank you. I appreciate your time. Also I am work now, and while most of the relevant scans are posted, feel free to reach out if you need additional scans.
Not sure I am completely following. The domain amplification is condensing one's domain to shut out techniques from another person. The nullified Gojo's limitless by using this, not his domain. The domain expansion also comes in two parts; the first being realizing one's innate domain (limited subjective reality [2]) into reality, and the second involves creating a barrier (space-time application) to seal an opponent within. These are two separate mechanisms comprising the technique though as we see with inexperienced users (like Megumi) and Experienced users (like Sukuna and Vengeful Cursed Spirits) who simply realize their innate domain without a barrier. So seeing as they coat themselves in their domain I think powernull fits better.Limited space time seem far more fitting with the scans and stuff instead of power null.
The full interview can be found here.Three things, might wanna list the whole interview. Cause the ones you should don't really show much as to why it's concept Hax, when it comes off as nothing but spatial Hax.
The intermediary between the two college professors himself has a master's in information geometry and helped to make the explanations more accessible. If you're referring to the summative portion linked where the manipulation of concepts is mentioned.Also, was it the writer who stated all of this or the college professor? If so, why does he even have authority here?
I will wait to respond to this part after you have accessed the full interview and my explanation above.Third, this explaination still sounds more like spatial Hax than actually concept Hax.
Yeah it was from Anon and has been verified by separate translations. It's also pretty readily available given it was posted in Jump.What about the translation?
I'm not sure why. Nanami instinctively covered his soul upon feeling Mahito manipulate it. For it to be a leap, one would have to posit this reaction is something specific to Nanami's case. Mahito is the only one who puts forth the idea that it's normally impossible, and Nanami actively exists as a case counter to his arguments. Remember, Mahito had just been born and, besides cursed spirits, really hadn't encountered or fought an experienced sorcerer before Nanami. So he is using chump humans and low-skill sorcerers as his barometer.I mean that seems like an extremely large leap instead of actually being based on in-canon reasoning.
This and this is what I was referencing.Should probably add multiple images then.